FlyTheNest

10:27
The NHS in England is performing at its worst ever level against a raft of targets, including A&E, cancer and people forced to wait on trolleys, the Press Association reports.

Willow904 wrote:

10:27
The NHS in England is performing at its worst ever level against a raft of targets, including A&E, cancer and people forced to wait on trolleys, the Press Association reports.

2 years of Tory majority government and we're already back to people waiting on trolleys. God, people have short memories. They had a chance to vote for Ed Miliband and they chose this. What's wrong with people?

Lost Soul wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

10:27
The NHS in England is performing at its worst ever level against a raft of targets, including A&E, cancer and people forced to wait on trolleys, the Press Association reports.

2 years of Tory majority government and we're already back to people waiting on trolleys. God, people have short memories. They had a chance to vote for Ed Miliband and they chose this. What's wrong with people?

'stabbed his brother in the back' according to my Tory voting, Telegraph reading father-in-law...

On the plus side, since the EU vote shambles - he's ditched the Telegraph and moved to the Independent. He's strongly pro EU
and very upset about 'where the country is going'

So, it's brought us together...we are now agree on a lot of things.

HindleA wrote:Ex Torygraph subscriber confession.
Am for the gallows-someone gave me vouchers mitigation.

HindleA wrote:Ex Torygraph subscriber confession.
Am for the gallows-someone gave me vouchers mitigation.

SpinningHugo wrote:Fascinating regional map on tax raising/spending

http://www.centreforcities.org/reader/m ... f-britain/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For every £15 raised in taxes in Sunderland, Government spends £33.

Ooof. That is a big transfer.

HindleA wrote:It was actually called "The Torygraph",I may have been conned.

RobertSnozers wrote:OpenSores 'taking on the role of pulling people together'? Jesus. He just has an interest (and probably considerable enjoyment) in seeing the left rip itself to pieces on a daily basis. Why would he want to see that stop?

AK was dead right last night, but I wouldn't have stopped there.

HindleA wrote:What do you think of it so far?

HindleA wrote:Ex Torygraph subscriber confession.
Am for the gallows-someone gave me vouchers mitigation.

yahyah wrote:Paul asked 'when did anyone vote for Lexit ?'

'' I am voting for Lexit''
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 93151.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

''LeftLeave Lexit statement''
http://www.leftleave.org/lexit-statemen ... ean-union/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://en-gb.facebook.com/www.lexit.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-services



Remember when legal aid was slashed? The awful effects are taking hold
Frances Ryan

yahyah wrote:Latest politician favourability ratings from YouGov, for those interested.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4OD2d-WYAAKh67.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;:

StephenDolan wrote:Let's take a step back. Consider this. The vast majority of Labour MPs voted in the referendum to remain. The vast majority of the people who voted for them to become MPs voted Remain. Corbyn and McDonnell have given the image in the past that they'd want to leave EU. The PLP voted very recently, by a huge margin to get rid of Corbyn. And yet, when it came to the early stages of A50 invocation through the Commons,the vast majority of Labour MPs voted, after the many attempts to amend, voted for A50 to proceed to the Lords.

Why do you think that was/is?

Yahyah, Tubby, pk1 in particular, but not exclusively, what are your thoughts?

StephenDolan wrote:Let's take a step back. Consider this. The vast majority of Labour MPs voted in the referendum to remain. The vast majority of the people who voted for them to become MPs voted Remain. Corbyn and McDonnell have given the image in the past that they'd want to leave EU. The PLP voted very recently, by a huge margin to get rid of Corbyn. And yet, when it came to the early stages of A50 invocation through the Commons,the vast majority of Labour MPs voted, after the many attempts to amend, voted for A50 to proceed to the Lords.

Why do you think that was/is?

Yahyah, Tubby, pk1 in particular, but not exclusively, what are your thoughts?

yahyah wrote:Trump's favourability still thankfully low at 19%, but that is up 11 points from 8% six months ago.

Which is the point I was making last week, that he could be viewed more favourably over time the way things are going in politics.

46% of kippers like him, 25% of 2015 Tory voters according to Smithson.

You Gov's report here:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/06/ne ... -view-don/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov wrote:You couldn't resist getting a dig in at Abbott (and of course, I'm no fan) even when she was very much the wronged party.

Typical.

gilsey wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Incidentally, if Labour remainers like me are feeling reasonably content this morning that a good chunk of Labour MPs voted against, I'm wondering how Tory remain voters are feeling with only Ken Clarke standing up for them. Is there really that many votes out there for a Ukippy Tory party? Ultimately the Tories will face their own difficulties in reconciling the opposing views of Eurosceptics and Europhiles. I imagine the realignment of political views post-Brexit will be ongoing.

Hear hear.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, where were the tory remain MPs? Labour was always on a hiding to nothing if they wouldn't stand up.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

yahyah wrote:Trump's favourability still thankfully low at 19%, but that is up 11 points from 8% six months ago.

Which is the point I was making last week, that he could be viewed more favourably over time the way things are going in politics.

46% of kippers like him, 25% of 2015 Tory voters according to Smithson.

You Gov's report here:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/06/ne ... -view-don/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are some who will have rallied behind him when he became POTUS, and given how enthusiastically May has courted Trump 25% from Tories arguably isn't that high.

Definite opportunities for driving a wedge between the PM and some of her instinctive supporters there.......