FlyTheNest

Willow904 wrote:

yahyah wrote:Lord Butler of Brockwell, a former Cabinet Secretary and crossbencher, has told the Lords the public should get a vote on the final Brexit deal.

Well done that man. He seems to be able to distinguish between a 're-run of June 23rd's vote' and a vote on the final Brexit deal. Not that difficult, but as Willow said the other day about something related, you have to be inclined to it.

There is the danger with a further referendum that people will vote with as little applied thought as they did the first time, but at least they will be voting for something rather than not for something, if you get my drift.

The last EU referendum was like asking people if they wanted to give up FPTP or not, with no concrete indication of what it would be replaced with, just a lot of waffle about how you could have PR or you could have AV or you could an electoral college system like the States or, you know, anything you like really, we'll just make that bit up once we've had the referendum.....

AnatolyKasparov wrote: The elections in England this May (county councils mostly, plus a few unitaries) could still be brutal, of course, but for UKIP more than Labour (who generally, as you indicated, performed a tad underwhelmingly) It was the big kipper breakthrough nationwide, so they have a fair bit to lose. And its not impossible they could end up losing most of it, and ending up on the margins again (outside Essex, Kent and Lincs anyway)

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote: May local elections could be a bit brutal though. Aren't those the ones last contested in 2012? Labour was well ahead then, as it should be 2 years into a Parliament as opposition. The years after this should be easier for Corbyn as Labour then fell away quite quickly.

Well, no - not in England anyway (which was the large majority of them) Those were, of course, defended last year with only minimal losses for Labour overall.

There are local elections in both Scotland and Wales which were last fought then, having said that. Of the former the less said the better (though Labour's epoch making collapse since then can't really be blamed on Corbyn - even by the likes of you - and having those elections by STV will lessen the scale of the cull anyway) Wales could be interesting though, if you are looking for genuine Labour weakness (or not, possibly)

The elections in England this May (county councils mostly, plus a few unitaries) could still be brutal, of course, but for UKIP more than Labour (who generally, as you indicated, performed a tad underwhelmingly) It was the big kipper breakthrough nationwide, so they have a fair bit to lose. And its not impossible they could end up losing most of it, and ending up on the margins again (outside Essex, Kent and Lincs anyway)

Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers

NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)

pk1 wrote:Headline:

"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"

Actual quote:

"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... hing-every" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sigh

PorFavor wrote:

pk1 wrote:Headline:

"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"

Actual quote:

"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... hing-every" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sigh

I've read various accounts of Peter Mandelson's words (in quotes, to boot). They all differ slightly - but you're right - he (PM) does opine that he's (JC) not a maniac.

PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?

Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)

To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham

citizenJA wrote:

PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?

Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)

To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham

Tory government are dusting off Edward3's Statute of Labourers 1351
Successful negotiations, Brothers/Sisters!
Protein in a bowl of gruel!

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... um=twitter


Draft of first Trump budget would cut legal aid for millions of poor Americans
Draft proposes elimination of Legal Services Corporation, which provides free legal assistance to low-income people, victims of domestic violence and others

HindleA wrote:http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... nch-16-17/

DWP Select Committee
Universal Credit rollout: inquiry re-launched


Following compelling evidence of the problems in the rollout of Universal Credit in its recent follow ups the Committee has re-launched its inquiry and is now accepting written submissions



They've fucked off.

PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?

Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers

NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)

To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham

The National Audit Office found that 57,500 of 113,500 new places in mainstream free schools opening between 2015 and 2021 will create ‘spare capacity’ in the immediate areas of some of the institutions.

Of those free schools which opened in 2015, 52 could have a “moderate or high impact” on the funding of any of 282 neighbouring schools, the report says.

The watchdog is also warning that a scarcity of land for new free schools is pushing the capital spend on some institutions into the tens of millions of pounds – with four sites costing more than £30 million each.

“They are the most cost effective way to create the 750,000 new school places we need between now and 2025. They are also more popular with parents and more likely to be rated ‘outstanding’ by Ofsted than any other type of school.”

HindleA wrote: Wasn't sure if you were still about.