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citizenJA wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:Labour and the working class. Good overview

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a few Labour MPs ludicrously claiming to be working class last night after a Prof on Newsnight said none of them now were.

People with resources exclusively under their control obtained and kept without having further bargaining obligations or tiresome limitations of supply, transportation ownership permitting at-will travel, owning, leasing or otherwise having sole right residing in their home(s), possessing autonomous, on-call health care and robust food, water and clean air supply-chain capacity, liveried legal council providing verifiable documentation legitimatising any number of favourable eventualities and security staff procurement protecting, helping enforce all dues and rights without providing civilisation they're using but don't help care and maintain aren't working class people.

There's very few non-working class people. Most of us are working class. The few non-working class people spend a lot of time and money obscuring all but a few people on earth are working class. We're all relying on work we all do. Non-working class people don't want everyone to have nice things. Shocking and totally anti-social.

Anyone who can't walk away from a job never work a job again and live long without material detriment is working class. Pensioners, chronically ill people, people with disabilities, carers, parents, home-makers, students, children, are most of them working class - they're unable to live separately of an interdependent network of support from working class people.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Britain Elects‏@britainelects 35s35 seconds ago

Source on the ground in Stoke on Trent Central says Tories are siphoning off UKIP pledges. Enthusiasm to vote is low.

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Went to the inspirational Michaela Community School in Brent today. Strong academic standards, superb behaviour, very happy pupils.@MCSBrent

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Ireland wants a special provision in any Brexit deal to allow Northern Ireland to rejoin the EU should it be united with the Republic.

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Stop being sentimental about child refugees, says Tory MP

“They’re good lads, but this plan is a monstrosity,” says one customer at the bar. “They say they’re ‘giving back’ to the city, but they’re ripping the heart out of the place.”
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Foreign students coming to the UK to study fell sharply in the year to September 2016, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The study showed 41,000 fewer students came to the UK for long-term study, the vast majority of the drop - 31,000 - coming from non-EU students.
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Pope Francis: It is 'better to be an atheist than hypocritical Catholic'
Pontiff says some Catholics should say 'my life is not Christian, I don't pay my employees proper salaries, I exploit people, I do dirty business, I launder money, a double life'
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tinyclanger2 wrote:

Foreign students coming to the UK to study fell sharply in the year to September 2016, according to the Office for National Statistics.

The study showed 41,000 fewer students came to the UK for long-term study, the vast majority of the drop - 31,000 - coming from non-EU students.
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International students on attractiveness of the post-Farage Britain.

tinyclanger2 wrote:

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Stop being sentimental about child refugees, says Tory MP

"Sentimental"

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“We should stop being so sentimental and be looking at what [is] the best thing to do for these families and children and that is keep them in the region,” she said.

EXCL British Bill of Rights delayed until after Brexit, Liz Truss reveals

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Third of manufacturing firms want to move some operations out of UK after Brexit, report warns
Leaving EU is a 'game-changer' for UK manufacturing with two-thirds of companies believing the instability will be bad for the economy

tinyclanger2 wrote:

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Third of manufacturing firms want to move some operations out of UK after Brexit, report warns
Leaving EU is a 'game-changer' for UK manufacturing with two-thirds of companies believing the instability will be bad for the economy

Soz if you had it already

tinyclanger2 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 94606.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Third of manufacturing firms want to move some operations out of UK after Brexit, report warns
Leaving EU is a 'game-changer' for UK manufacturing with two-thirds of companies believing the instability will be bad for the economy

Soz if you had it already

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I've watched about 5 mins of Trevor Phillips on political correctness on C4, and I can't think of a more intellectually flimsy programme

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 94606.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Third of manufacturing firms want to move some operations out of UK after Brexit, report warns
Leaving EU is a 'game-changer' for UK manufacturing with two-thirds of companies believing the instability will be bad for the economy

Soz if you had it already

I still can't believe how quiet business was in the referendum.

Corazza Bildt adds: “For me this is a red line. Boris Johnson has said that the UK will leave the EU but will continue to be part of Europe, he should then respect our common history. Lecturing on language as I pointed out our shared history was very dismissive.”
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Oxford University graduates in philosophy, politics and economics make up an astonishing proportion of Britain’s elite. But has it produced an out-of-touch ruling class?

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I've watched about 5 mins of Trevor Phillips on political correctness on C4, and I can't think of a more intellectually flimsy programme

First line of the Guardian review said "Trevor Phillips delivers another unhelpful polemic" - best to avoid then...

Temulkar wrote:no exit polls?

Temulkar wrote:no exit polls?

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Oxford University graduates in philosophy, politics and economics make up an astonishing proportion of Britain’s elite. But has it produced an out-of-touch ruling class?

it's made an insufficiently heterogeneous ruling class to sensibly represent a highly diverse collection of nations.

Maurice Glasman say: “PPEists don’t do conflict. Oxford PPE reduces everything in politics to a technical question: what’s the right policy? PPE teaches you, ‘Don’t be vile to bankers after the financial crash. What they were doing wasn’t stealing; it was down to the wrong government policy.’”

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Temulkar wrote:no exit polls?

No, and no results expected until 3-4am. Although usually people are constantly leaking info about how the count's going as it goes along so it will probably be reasonably clear earlier.

PorFavor wrote:

adam wrote:

Temulkar wrote:no exit polls?

No, and no results expected until 3-4am. Although usually people are constantly leaking info about how the count's going as it goes along so it will probably be reasonably clear earlier.

I read, this morning, that the official line was that results were expected around 3-4am but that it was likely to be earlier than that.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... es-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Oxford University graduates in philosophy, politics and economics make up an astonishing proportion of Britain’s elite. But has it produced an out-of-touch ruling class?

it's made an insufficiently heterogeneous ruling class to sensibly represent a highly diverse collection of nations.

Good points there, and about Oxford in general really. Cameron's "essay crisis" style rings true, though equally applies to other subjects. I didn't have to do any big projects, just weekly or twice weekly essays. I tried to do the job properly, setting out to write really good essays every time, but some others seemed to be scrambling to deadlines all the time, which isn't good.

However bad PPE is, vapid Maurice Glasman undercuts them.

Maurice Glasman say: “PPEists don’t do conflict. Oxford PPE reduces everything in politics to a technical question: what’s the right policy? PPE teaches you, ‘Don’t be vile to bankers after the financial crash. What they were doing wasn’t stealing; it was down to the wrong government policy.’”

The what?