FlyTheNest

"But things can, and they will, change. Britain needs a Labour government that is prepared to fight for people in every part of the country, our towns, villages, as well as big cities. A Labour government that isn’t scared to take on the cosy cartels that are hoarding this country’s wealth for themselves.

...the Conservatives, drunk on a failed ideology, are hell bent on cutting every public service they get their hands on, and they will use all of the divide-and-rule tricks of the Lynton Crosby trade to keep their rigged system intact. Don’t be angry at the privatisers profiting from our public services, they whisper, be angry instead at the migrant worker just trying to make a better life. Don’t be angry at the government ministers running down our schools and hospitals, they tell us, be angry instead at the disabled woman or the unemployed man.

It is the rigged economy the Tories are protecting that Labour is committed to challenging. So many people in modern Britain do what seems like the right thing to do. They get jobs, they spend all day working hard, they save to buy their own home, they raise children, they look after elderly or sick relatives. And yet, at the end of it, they get almost nothing left over as a reward. Compare their lives with the multinational corporations and the gilded elite who hide their money in the Cayman Islands because the Conservatives are too morally bankrupt to take them on.

Labour in power will end this racket and make sure that everybody pays their taxes which fund our public services. We will overturn this rigged system. For all Theresa May’s warm words on the steps of Downing Street the Conservatives will never do any such thing. Seven years of broken promises show us that on pay, the deficit, the NHS, our schools, our environment."

- J Corbyn

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Temulkar wrote:I think May could be in for a serious shock. She's banking on an increased majority, but the lib dems are going to win seats back, it was their collapse that gave the tories the majority in 2015. Labour cant really lose any more in Scotland, and I cant see the Tories improving in wales, likely to fall back at least in Gower and probably Brecon. FPTP might just scupper her plans. Corbyn looks energised - he clearly loves campaigning - and Labour have a massive ground game. Broadcast media will struggle with impartiality but it will be a better hearing than Labour have had in two years. Social media will have a bigger impact this time around, although not decisive yet. Throw in Tory election expenses, May's inability to blag like the pig-fucker, and the general mood of anger in the country and this whole General Election could badly backfire.

What happens if her majority is about the same, or even reduced or hung? A second brexit referendum would be the condition the libs demand, and she cant deliver that with her crazy wing. Labour would, I assume, happily agree.

Going before the boundary changes, regardless of the polls, is absolute madness. She must be desperate, and that means something big is coming.

NonOxCol wrote:

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F***ing disgraceful.

SpinningHugo wrote:

Temulkar wrote:I think May could be in for a serious shock. She's banking on an increased majority, but the lib dems are going to win seats back, it was their collapse that gave the tories the majority in 2015. Labour cant really lose any more in Scotland, and I cant see the Tories improving in wales, likely to fall back at least in Gower and probably Brecon. FPTP might just scupper her plans. Corbyn looks energised - he clearly loves campaigning - and Labour have a massive ground game. Broadcast media will struggle with impartiality but it will be a better hearing than Labour have had in two years. Social media will have a bigger impact this time around, although not decisive yet. Throw in Tory election expenses, May's inability to blag like the pig-fucker, and the general mood of anger in the country and this whole General Election could badly backfire.

What happens if her majority is about the same, or even reduced or hung? A second brexit referendum would be the condition the libs demand, and she cant deliver that with her crazy wing. Labour would, I assume, happily agree.

Going before the boundary changes, regardless of the polls, is absolute madness. She must be desperate, and that means something big is coming.

I don't. I expect a large increase in the Tory majority. The Lib Dems may get back to around 25 seats, but Labour will lose around 50 I'd expect, giving her a much more comfortable majority, and five more years.

We'll see of course. I didn't expect Corbyn to win the leadership. the UK to vote for Brexit or for Trump to win. Strange things do happen. But it could be that Labour does much worse than I'd predict, as well as a bit better.

I should add, however, that it is useful to have people's predictions so that we can see if they have good judgment.

SpinningHugo wrote:

Temulkar wrote:I think May could be in for a serious shock. She's banking on an increased majority, but the lib dems are going to win seats back, it was their collapse that gave the tories the majority in 2015. Labour cant really lose any more in Scotland, and I cant see the Tories improving in wales, likely to fall back at least in Gower and probably Brecon. FPTP might just scupper her plans. Corbyn looks energised - he clearly loves campaigning - and Labour have a massive ground game. Broadcast media will struggle with impartiality but it will be a better hearing than Labour have had in two years. Social media will have a bigger impact this time around, although not decisive yet. Throw in Tory election expenses, May's inability to blag like the pig-fucker, and the general mood of anger in the country and this whole General Election could badly backfire.

What happens if her majority is about the same, or even reduced or hung? A second brexit referendum would be the condition the libs demand, and she cant deliver that with her crazy wing. Labour would, I assume, happily agree.

Going before the boundary changes, regardless of the polls, is absolute madness. She must be desperate, and that means something big is coming.

I don't. I expect a large increase in the Tory majority. The Lib Dems may get back to around 25 seats, but Labour will lose around 50 I'd expect, giving her a much more comfortable majority, and five more years.

We'll see of course. I didn't expect Corbyn to win the leadership. the UK to vote for Brexit or for Trump to win. Strange things do happen. But it could be that Labour does much worse than I'd predict, as well as a bit better.

I should add, however, that it is useful to have people's predictions so that we can see if they have good judgment.

gilsey wrote:THE CONSERVATIVE LEFT

In some respects, it is the right who are Marxists and we leftists who are conservatives.
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it’s early days. Corbyn’s critics sometimes argued that his campaign would collapse on exposure to the electorate. Instead his first proper campaign outing was a success.

citizenJA wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:

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F***ing disgraceful.

Nick Robinson, you're working for the BBC responsible for providing impartial news in your public service position. I shouldn't know your personal feelings regarding political party policy.

howsillyofme1 wrote: More and more I see protection of house value as the main focus of those who tend to vote. Those in non permanent residences are often those who fall off the radar

Is there anything in this or am I off the Mark?

StephenDolan wrote:The bigging up of Cooper. Deary me.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

StephenDolan wrote:The bigging up of Cooper. Deary me.

It does seem a tad co-ordinated tbh.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And I actually doubt that most Labour MPs, or members, share your view of Starmer SH.
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I know I don't.

howsillyofme1 wrote:I would like to ask the poster above how he is 'pretty sure' of the opinion of other people...

Is there any evidence of this or is it just overwhelming arrogance?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:He has more substance to him IMO than the previous holder of that title (Jarvis)

Labour have now ruled out a second Brexit referendum. A spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn said:

A second referendum is not our policy and it won’t be in our manifesto.

Earlier, after Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell refused to rule the idea out (see 11.40am), the party issued a statement that played down the prospect of a second Brexit referendum under Labour, without ruling it out entirely. (See 12.11pm.)

This is what happens during election campaign. The decision process gets compressed. Under scrutiny from the media, parties get forced to clarify things, with the result that sometimes issues get resolved in hours that had previously been fudged for weeks, months or even years.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Blenkinsop - standing down
Dugher - standing down (possibly)
Coyle - might lose (Hughes now favourite at the bookies, apparently)
Austin - might lose
Jess "f*** off" Phillips - might lose

Anybody seeing a pattern here? Even if the above all lose their seats, others in similarly precarious positions might well hold on for Labour (and I am thinking of a few here who could never be described as Corbyn friendly) because they actually care about the party, not just selfish solipistic self-promotion via a both gullible and corrupt media.

A possible silver lining from what is likely to overall be a depressing election.

Willow904 wrote:

Labour have now ruled out a second Brexit referendum. A spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn said:

A second referendum is not our policy and it won’t be in our manifesto.

Earlier, after Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell refused to rule the idea out (see 11.40am), the party issued a statement that played down the prospect of a second Brexit referendum under Labour, without ruling it out entirely. (See 12.11pm.)

This is what happens during election campaign. The decision process gets compressed. Under scrutiny from the media, parties get forced to clarify things, with the result that sometimes issues get resolved in hours that had previously been fudged for weeks, months or even years.

After trying to feel more positive about Corbyn, this sets me back a bit. I'm not unhappy with Labour not proposing a second referendum, it's not the most attractive policy, but by ruling out supporting one, they take a lot of pressure off May regardless of how many seats they manage to hang on to.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Blenkinsop - standing down
Dugher - standing down (possibly)
Coyle - might lose (Hughes now favourite at the bookies, apparently)
Austin - might lose
Jess "f*** off" Phillips - might lose

Anybody seeing a pattern here? Even if the above all lose their seats, others in similarly precarious positions might well hold on for Labour (and I am thinking of a few here who could never be described as Corbyn friendly) because they actually care about the party, not just selfish solipistic self-promotion via a both gullible and corrupt media.

A possible silver lining from what is likely to overall be a depressing election.

EU will welcome Britain back if election voters veto Brexit

Exclusive: European parliament president Antonio Tajani said EU departure process could easily be reversed if there is change of UK government

The president of the European parliament has said Britain would be welcomed back with open arms if voters change their minds about Brexit on 8 June, challenging Theresa May’s claim that “there is no turning back” after article 50.

Speaking after a meeting with the prime minister in Downing Street, Antonio Tajani insisted that her triggering of the departure process last month could be reversed easily by the remaining EU members if there was a change of UK government after the general election and would not even require a court case. (Guardian)