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Johnson A has always been a bit of a media favourite, so should have found it easier to get coverage than most.

He didn't because in addition to his well known laziness*, when he did make an appearance he had little memorable to say.

(*despite this, I always quite liked him - its hard not to - but the referendum will not go down as his finest hour)

That's just the way it is. Some things will never change.

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(look at the first comment as well!)

Be good to yourself. Don't watch it.

#cleansince2011

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UK's new supreme court chief calls for clarity on ECJ after Brexit
President of UK’s highest court, Brenda Hale, says judges need to know how far they should take into account future judgments from EU court

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SpinningHugo wrote:I don't hate anybody, certainly not Corbyn.

I think he is awful, and will do a great deal further damage to the UK, but he is in good faith, as is May. Hard to hate.

I apologise for suggesting hate was involved. You haven't responded to what I actually had to say.

Quick Draw McGraw strikes again . . .

PorFavor wrote:Quick Draw McGraw strikes again . . .

Your video linking skills are commendable PF

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

PorFavor wrote:Quick Draw McGraw strikes again . . .

Your video linking skills are commendable PF

Thank you - but HindleA still pipped me to the post. He very magnanimously withdrew
his link, though. (He was the Quick Draw McGraw!)

Shame I still don't seem to manage ordinary posts without cocking them up!

We can probably all do ourselves a favour by dropping "Venezuela". If what we mean by "Venezuela" is "stagflation" or something, let's say that.

As I understand it, the Bank's independence makes that much less likely. But if McDonnell came into conflict with the Bank, that could be pretty bad for the economy.

adam wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:I don't hate anybody, certainly not Corbyn.

I think he is awful, and will do a great deal further damage to the UK, but he is in good faith, as is May. Hard to hate.

I apologise for suggesting hate was involved. You haven't responded to what I actually had to say.

Well, I wouldn;t claim that a more dynamic Corbyn would have made the difference, or indeed was possible. He (and McDonnell and Milne) are longstanding opponents of the EU. It is not really reasonable to expect them to campaign with any vigour for Remain, and they didn't. But even if they had campaigned in the way they did in, say, 2017, it would not have altered anything.

Far more damaging I think has been the adoption by Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne of the "slightly more Remain-y" than the Tories strategy. Electorally this has been a triumph: Remainers in 2017 had nowhere else to go and Leave voter weren't put off. Unfortunately it is wrong, and will leave the poorest much worse off, and prevent all the other good things Labour would seek to do from being achieved.

There was an opportunity for Labour to adopt a principled stand on Brexit and to try and stop a Hard brexit. It hasn't done that. Whether you like that depends on whether you just focus on electoral success. So, for many, politics is like supporting Manchester United. Just so long as you win, who cares. That is however wrong I think. You should focus on the end result and not on party. The end result is disastrous, especially for the constituency Labour is supposed to represent.

Corbyn is primarily responsible for that. So, unlike Wolf, I'd criticise more strongly the appalling track record post-referendum, not the referendum campaign itself.

But then people knew what they were getting when they voted for Corbyn. He has opposed the EU all his life. SO for Corbyn and McDonnell, just as what they say on, say, Nato or nationalisation or the BBC or the Bank of England or Israel or the IRA, it is far more likely that what was said without the constraints of the leadership position is what is actually thought than what is said now.

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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Johnson A has always been a bit of a media favourite, so should have found it easier to get coverage than most.

He didn't because in addition to his well known laziness*, when he did make an appearance he had little memorable to say.

(*despite this, I always quite liked him - its hard not to - but the referendum will not go down as his finest hour)

I can see why it was thought a good idea to stick somebody else in charge of the referendum campaign, but it didn't work not to have the leader as the main man. I'm sure there were days when Johnson and Corbyn were both doing good stuff. But that's going to be- what?- a minute each on the news?

There was space for one Labour voice- the leader- to hit factories etc. But even if he had, there was a local campaigning gap where unions didn't seem to be. Can't get 40% for remain in Sunderland, they might as well give up.

There was also a tactical mistake in sounding too negative in the referendum. Most people open to persuasion by a Labour leader weren't worried about TTIP. That was a Lexit bubble being addressed there, and it never happened anyway.

If you can be like Denmark in the EU, it can't be too bad.

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We've done this before though. So I'm not going to dwell too much.

Plenty of big stuff happening now, and it's the Tories fault.

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Davis: Every region must flourish after Brexit

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Davis: Every region must flourish after Brexit

He can show us the workings then!

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Research and analysis
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According to the Evening Standard, five former cabinet ministers have “joined a plot to force Theresa May to quit”. It says: “A 30-strong group plans to send a delegation to No 10 to ask the Prime Minister to resign before Christmas.”

Won't help the Tory government's credibility regarding Brexit negotiations either domestically or within Europe. They've already wasted a lot of time.

On the other hand she's turning into a veritable albatross. The sense that something's gotta give is just going to grow.

I don't think we'll see another early election, though. Labour will cry foul, but there's not much they could do. We elect a government, not a Prime Minister.

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

It's all going so well...

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US has teamed up with 5 other countries to reject the UK's import proposals for goods such as meat, sugar and grains

Yep. I was surprised that the FT reported the UK-rEU agreements as good news.

I thought straight away that the third parties in the quota agreements would not be happy because their quota to the EU shouldn't be reduced just because the UK leaves. They ought to keep that, have the chance to export more to rEU, and then do a deal with the UK separately. "Deal" looks like a kind word- shakedown looks more like it.

I gather that France doesn't fancy the stuff that's gone to the UK now hitting the EU market, and I don't underestimate the influence of French farmers. But Macron might see bigger fish to be fried.

Willow904 wrote:

According to the Evening Standard, five former cabinet ministers have “joined a plot to force Theresa May to quit”. It says: “A 30-strong group plans to send a delegation to No 10 to ask the Prime Minister to resign before Christmas.”

Won't help the Tory government's credibility regarding Brexit negotiations either domestically or within Europe. They've already wasted a lot of time.

On the other hand she's turning into a veritable albatross. The sense that something's gotta give is just going to grow.

I don't think we'll see another early election, though. Labour will cry foul, but there's not much they could do. We elect a government, not a Prime Minister.

I think Ed Vaizey could be among those 30, somehow.

Willow904 wrote:

According to the Evening Standard, five former cabinet ministers have “joined a plot to force Theresa May to quit”. It says: “A 30-strong group plans to send a delegation to No 10 to ask the Prime Minister to resign before Christmas.”

Won't help the Tory government's credibility regarding Brexit negotiations either domestically or within Europe. They've already wasted a lot of time.

On the other hand she's turning into a veritable albatross. The sense that something's gotta give is just going to grow.

I don't think we'll see another early election, though. Labour will cry foul, but there's not much they could do. We elect a government, not a Prime Minister.

I suppose if they got rid of her and got in Amber Rudd they could then ditch some of May's stupid red lines?

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

According to the Evening Standard, five former cabinet ministers have “joined a plot to force Theresa May to quit”. It says: “A 30-strong group plans to send a delegation to No 10 to ask the Prime Minister to resign before Christmas.”

Won't help the Tory government's credibility regarding Brexit negotiations either domestically or within Europe. They've already wasted a lot of time.

On the other hand she's turning into a veritable albatross. The sense that something's gotta give is just going to grow.

I don't think we'll see another early election, though. Labour will cry foul, but there's not much they could do. We elect a government, not a Prime Minister.

I think Ed Vaizey could be among those 30, somehow.

Interesting its in the Evening Standard.

I would not trust "Lazy Vaizey" an inch on this or much else.

We should always remember he was and still is an integral member of the Chipping Norton mob and therefore very close to the current editor of that august organ.

This could just be the a crazy (and horrible) thought but could he just be stirring the pot so that ,given the lack of obvious immediate successors and the increasing perception of the need to dispense with May sooner rather than later, the tories may need to widen their search.

With Vaizey and one or two others doing his dirty work George can seem above the fray and await the men in grey suits to plead with him to return

I know the issues surrounding such a move, such as needing to be an MP, but that's easily solved as been proven previously.

I said this is probably crazy and I would welcome anyone (well almost anyone) to disabuse me of this by telling me why it cannot or will not happen!

I'd have thought Osborne implausible. Greater than 100/1

The odds are here

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They should go for Rudd or Hammond. But they might go for Davis as an alternative interim leader I suppose.

BoJo is favourite, but they'd be mad. As for Rees-Mogg...

But Brown went on and on like this for years. He was hopelessly unsuited to the role too, lost his authority quickly, but went on until the next election.

SpinningHugo wrote:I'd have thought Osborne implausible. Greater than 100/1

The odds are here

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They should go for Rudd or Hammond. But they might go for Davis as an alternative interim leader I suppose.

BoJo is favourite, but they'd be mad. As for Rees-Mogg...

Because the bookies (and pretty much everyone else!) have been so spot on with their forecasts with everything political recently?

It doesn't matter what people say in public, Rudd having a majority in the hundreds will be a big minus mark against her. So, for quite a few of the selectorate, will having been a remainer.

ScarletGas wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:I'd have thought Osborne implausible. Greater than 100/1

The odds are here

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They should go for Rudd or Hammond. But they might go for Davis as an alternative interim leader I suppose.

BoJo is favourite, but they'd be mad. As for Rees-Mogg...

Because the bookies (and pretty much everyone else!) have been so spot on with their forecasts with everything political recently?

Bookies tend to make money, and do also put their money where their mouths are.

But the (normally) low volume of bets on politics makes the odds there much less reliable.

Some of the quoted prices on the next Labour leader are a bit of a hoot, even if they're not as bad as they were pre-GE.

SpinningHugo wrote:

ScarletGas wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:I'd have thought Osborne implausible. Greater than 100/1

The odds are here

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/br ... ive-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They should go for Rudd or Hammond. But they might go for Davis as an alternative interim leader I suppose.

BoJo is favourite, but they'd be mad. As for Rees-Mogg...

Because the bookies (and pretty much everyone else!) have been so spot on with their forecasts with everything political recently?

Bookies tend to make money, and do also put their money where their mouths are.

Stating the obvious nothing to disagree with there.

Now address the point.Have the bookies (and pretty much everyone else) been more accurate than not with their forecasts on everything political recently?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:But the (normally) low volume of bets on politics makes the odds there much less reliable.

Some of the quoted prices on the next Labour leader are a bit of a hoot, even if they're not as bad as they were pre-GE.

Who do you think is underpriced (ie where is there money to be made)?

Offering odds of say 100/1 on David Miliband is obviously for the suckers.

Very hard to see how a remainer could lead the tories at the moment, they'd tear themselves apart sooner rather than later, isn't that basically why they're sticking with May? The only semi-plausible alternative I can see is Davis, and on top of his other flaws he's as lazy as A Johnson, as noted above. We're ucked, as we already know.

gilsey wrote:Very hard to see how a remainer could lead the tories at the moment, they'd tear themselves apart sooner rather than later, isn't that basically why they're sticking with May? The only semi-plausible alternative I can see is Davis, and on top of his other flaws he's as lazy as A Johnson, as noted above. We're ucked, as we already know.

Someone in another place was suggesting Sajid Javid as the next Tory leader, based on his unwavering support for May at the moment :twisted

gilsey wrote:Very hard to see how a remainer could lead the tories at the moment, they'd tear themselves apart sooner rather than later, isn't that basically why they're sticking with May? The only semi-plausible alternative I can see is Davis, and on top of his other flaws he's as lazy as A Johnson, as noted above. We're ucked, as we already know.

Fair point as regards a remainer leading the tories.Just shows what a complete mess they (and us) are in.

As someone elsewhere commented we are now a "Comedy Nation"

For the absence of doubt I take no pleasure in that at all!

In other news, peres centristes not doing so well across the Channel

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:We've done this before though. So I'm not going to dwell too much.

Plenty of big stuff happening now, and it's the Tories fault.

Yes.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:In other news, peres centristes not doing so well across the Channel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ng-workers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

macron-accused-of-class-contempt-after-jibe-at-protesting-workers

Criticized by Melenchon's Kipper party. I think he'll just about survive that.

Brexit: hopelessly trying to buy time while the Article 50 clock is ticking
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Jon Worth summarises the difficulty.

there is no consensus position on Brexit that actually commands a majority on the Tory+DUP benches, and there is no way that Johnson or Davis or anyone else could conjure one up. Ascribing the current problems to May’s weak leadership misses the point: there is no-one who could actually do any better.

Ed Vaizey actually did some decent work on listing interesting modern buildings.

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I think he was in the right job, and wouldn't want him having any other job, higher or lower.

Joined up thinking on Brexit.

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I'm not convinced there's an alternative army of hospitality workers out there, but the government is suggesting that there might be if a better vocational framework exists. Guess when it's going to be ready?

You probably got "too late for when we leave the EU" right. A point for that. A bonus point for 2022.

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On the tories tearing themselves apart. Isn't this the truth, and without even mentioning brexit.

Problem number one for the Conservatives is that they no longer have any idea how to administer capitalism. No viable long-term growth strategy avails. They can't address the financial sector without hurting their allies in the City. They can't address the crisis of productivity and investment without more state intervention than they're willing to accept. They can't address the housing crisis or the precarious debt-driven economy without harming the interests of home owners. They can't build new support in the rustbelts on an anti-immigrant basis, without sacrificing affluent swing voters and particularly ethnic minority voters in big cities and marginals.

The likes of Nick Timothy are flailing about, convinced that there are tory policies that would enable them implement May's rhetoric, but it's just words.

PorFavor wrote:Shame I still don't seem to manage ordinary posts without cocking them up!

It's an art form in itself.

Itanartformself.

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Fans of Questor might be surprised to here he's popped up on the Guardian Uber article and blamed.... Ken Livingstone.

P45 prankster Simon Brodkin will face no further action, police say
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coincidentally brings to mind the same episode of Rake I was on about last week.

Who said the following?

“I’m tired of the ‘don’t look back in anger’ approach. I’m very angry and I’m looking forward with a forensic, steely eye. It’s just not enough, especially when you can’t say it very eloquently.

“He’s not exactly Winston Churchill. He doesn’t fill me with any confidence at all that London is safe in his hands, that we will tackle the infestation of terrorist violence that we have in our midst and on our doorstep. I get no confidence from Sadiq Khan, none at all.”

Zac Goldsmith? Nigel Farage? Boris Johnson?

Nope. George Galloway.

Shit for brains.

tinyclanger2 wrote:

P45 prankster Simon Brodkin will face no further action, police say
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-security" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

coincidentally brings to mind the same episode of Rake I was on about last week.

Well done the Police for not wasting a load of taxpayers money on this.

tinyclanger2 wrote:

P45 prankster Simon Brodkin will face no further action, police say
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-security" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

coincidentally brings to mind the same episode of Rake I was on about last week.

I said yesterday it wasn't a crime