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HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... -agreement


Press release
New Bill to implement Withdrawal Agreement

AnatolyKasparov wrote:A new page!

AnatolyKasparov wrote:A new page!

Pro-Brexit British billionaire buys Swiss football club Lausanne
Jim Ratcliffe, founder of chemicals and fracking giant Ineos, recently tried to get government subsidies to build successor to Land Rover Defender
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... iffe-ineos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 52671.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
EU bans sale of arms to Venezuela after Britain sells riot gear to regime
President Nicolas Maduro has been accused of crimes against humanity by the UN

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

HindleA wrote:https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... -agreement


Press release
New Bill to implement Withdrawal Agreement

Why is it when you need a great legal brain there;s never one around?

Seriously the usual suspects of all colours are arguing the toss on Twitter about the final vote.

One line seems to be that the deal or no deal vote is worthless because nobody except John Redwood and a couple of his mates want No Deal.

The contrary is that Davis is talking BS to spin the fact that he's had to conceded a final vote. This would mean the final vote is[/] meaningful.

55DegreesNorth wrote:Evening folks,
Got snowed on today, on Long Crag, above Thrunton Wood (about 10 miles north of Rothbury).
Thanks to whoever linked the housing/land value taxation article. A good read.

citizenJA wrote:

"Its ironic, Redwood was forced to give this advise to his paid clients because not to do so would be to mislead them which has legal penalties.
He is under no such constraint when advising the electorate."

https://discussion.theguardian.com/comm ... /108176338" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In private government sources are even blunter, suggesting that there is very little chance of amendments to the bill passed by the Commons leading to the EU agreeing to change the terms of a Brexit deal already negotiated by the government.

tinyclanger2 wrote:

Pro-Brexit British billionaire buys Swiss football club Lausanne
Jim Ratcliffe, founder of chemicals and fracking giant Ineos, recently tried to get government subsidies to build successor to Land Rover Defender
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... iffe-ineos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I know I shouldn't be surprised (and am not really) but words still fail me when it comes to ****ers who don't want governments to help feed and house people, but do want government to help them add to their billions

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I'm fascinated, utterly confused, slightly comforted and rather panicky all at the same time about the Brexit vote announcement.

I suppose it could lead to another incredibly high stakes day where MPs have to decide whether to vote for, because no deal is so disastrous, or against, because the deal is so disastrous.

For me, this means the soft Brexit, soft Remain and Hard Remain camps all need to cooperate and despatch Hard Brexit where it belongs, roundly vote down Davis's deal even if that appears to be voting for no deal, provoke a vote of No Confidence and thus a General Election.

PorFavor wrote:I misread that as "extract more confessions".

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I'm fascinated, utterly confused, slightly comforted and rather panicky all at the same time about the Brexit vote announcement.

I suppose it could lead to another incredibly high stakes day where MPs have to decide whether to vote for, because no deal is so disastrous, or against, because the deal is so disastrous.

For me, this means the soft Brexit, soft Remain and Hard Remain camps all need to cooperate and despatch Hard Brexit where it belongs, roundly vote down Davis's deal even if that appears to be voting for no deal, provoke a vote of No Confidence and thus a General Election.

What heartens me is that we've still got another 18 months to extract more concessions.

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

HindleA wrote:Bloody 'ell Italy not in the World Cup

The transparency organization asked the president’s son for his cooperation—in sharing its work, in contesting the results of the election, and in arranging for Julian Assange to be Australia’s ambassador to the United States.

SpinningHugo wrote:The Withdrawal Bill is just a sideshow really. The decision was already taken back in March. Art 50 is automatic. We now leave n March 2019.

Parliament could pass an amendment saying "if the deal presented is rejected, the government is required to give notice withdrawing art 50". No amendment in the 186 pages of them says that.

If we did give such notice there is a question mark over whether it can unilaterally be given, and if not whether all of the EU27 would agree, as would be required.

Davies conceded nothing at all.

The Hard Brexit agenda now is to talk down the clock.

At the moment, I see nothing that will stop a Hard Brexit. 47 Labour MPs can hold their heads up. The likes of Starmer, Umunna etc cannot.

tinybgoat wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:The Withdrawal Bill is just a sideshow really. The decision was already taken back in March. Art 50 is automatic. We now leave n March 2019.

Parliament could pass an amendment saying "if the deal presented is rejected, the government is required to give notice withdrawing art 50". No amendment in the 186 pages of them says that.

If we did give such notice there is a question mark over whether it can unilaterally be given, and if not whether all of the EU27 would agree, as would be required.

Davies conceded nothing at all.

The Hard Brexit agenda now is to talk down the clock.

At the moment, I see nothing that will stop a Hard Brexit. 47 Labour MPs can hold their heads up. The likes of Starmer, Umunna etc cannot.

An amendment worded like that would possibly lead to EU 27 just offering an unacceptable bill, too try and get article 50 revoked (I think gvt. has argued this case previously as reason to not allow parliament a vote on accepting a deal).