Re: Friday 1st March 2019
Posted: Fri 01 Mar, 2019 2:07 pm
Happy to oblige.RogerOThornhill wrote:
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Let there be no doubt. Irish America stands with the Irish north and south who are adamant that a hard border must not be restored. If it is, Irish Americans are prepared to saddle up again to oppose any post-Brexit UK-US trade deal.
These are not idle words. Irish-American Congressman Richard Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, is the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee where proposed trade deals are first considered. Other members of Congress who have significant say in any trade negotiation are either Irish American or have significant Irish American constituencies They have made no secret of their insistence that a soft border, one where goods and people can continue to flow freely across it, is an imperative.
It's pretty easy for the MSM to string together a plausible story about the reasons the 'left behind' voted Leave, that's the thing. Not least, superficially logical reasons for concerns about immigration.Willow904 wrote: How can leave be the vote of the "left behind" when leave voters were more likely to own their own home. Some "left behinds" may have helped get leave over the line but they are not the driving force behind this project.
Anyone would think leaving the EU hadn't been thought through properly.tinybgoat wrote:http://www.irishnews.com/news/northerni ... t-1562852/Let there be no doubt. Irish America stands with the Irish north and south who are adamant that a hard border must not be restored. If it is, Irish Americans are prepared to saddle up again to oppose any post-Brexit UK-US trade deal.
These are not idle words. Irish-American Congressman Richard Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, is the chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee where proposed trade deals are first considered. Other members of Congress who have significant say in any trade negotiation are either Irish American or have significant Irish American constituencies They have made no secret of their insistence that a soft border, one where goods and people can continue to flow freely across it, is an imperative.
This really is it, isn't it. Having to accept *people a lot like them* voted leave is never going to be comfortable.gilsey wrote:It's pretty easy for the MSM to string together a plausible story about the reasons the 'left behind' voted Leave, that's the thing. Not least, superficially logical reasons for concerns about immigration.Willow904 wrote: How can leave be the vote of the "left behind" when leave voters were more likely to own their own home. Some "left behinds" may have helped get leave over the line but they are not the driving force behind this project.
When it comes to the motivation of the comfortably off, who are after all much closer to their own class, it gets tricky. Hard to get far past xenophobia and exceptionalism.
Apparently they'll be bussed between towns and it costs £50. Not quite the Jarrow spirit.RogerOThornhill wrote:I did wonder what the Sunderland to London Twitter thing was all about yesterday...
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I've a feeling Nigel Farage's march from Sunderland to London is presumably meant to evoke something of the spirit of the Jarrow march. That was however about a fair deal for workers and was not led by a jet-setting former commodities trader.
In last night’s latest iteration of disjointed cluelessness, 324 MPs defeated an SNP amendment that would have ruled out leaving with no deal “under any circumstances, and regardless of any exit date.” They included seven Labour MPs, explicitly choosing a no-deal which would gravely harm their constituents over a no-Brexit which would upset some of them. This, too, is not normal. This is, in fact, a collective breakdown.
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The case against Miranda Yardley is over. The judge said there was no evidence.
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That's a weird one, isn't it?HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/ ... ir-helgemo
World’s No 1 bridge player suspended after failing a drugs test
YepHindleA wrote:To say there is panic Brexit stockpiling at work is an unferstatement.Tensions are high.
Crosswording?HindleA wrote:Tanka a Japanese poem,apparently
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Mike Pence, the US vice president, has offered another preview of the 2020 presidential election by whipping up conservatives with a diatribe against socialism. Pence earned raucous cheers and applause at the Conservative Political Action Conference at the National Harbor near Washington as he warned against “taking a hard left turn” that would deprive Americans of freedom.
Venezuela gets mentionedReferring to Trump’s state of the union address, [Pence] added: “As the president said 24 days ago, so we must say with one voice: America will never become a socialist country.”
Attendees rose to their feet and chanted: “USA! USA!”
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The case against Miranda Yardley is over. The judge said there was no evidence.
4:05 PM - 1 Mar 2019
So this woman from Mermaids, Helen Islan, brought some kind of harrassment case against a transgender woman called Miranda Yardley that got thrown out for lack of evidence. So if there really wasn't anything close to harrassment going on, why did the person from Mermaids, a charity that supports trans kids, feel the need to pursue charges against a transgender person, a case that was always going to raise some eyebrows, I mean it doesn't sound very trans friendly or trans supportive, does it? The key seems to be that this Miranda Yardley, who seems quite a character, refuses to accept that transgender women are women and for some transactivists this equates to transphobia whoever it comes from, despite being indisputable scientific fact.
The problem Graham Linehan has with Mermaids and so seemingly endng up on the "wrong" side of this debate in the eyes of many, is that they are amateurs with no professional qualifications in healthcare, child psychology or safeguarding yet they are being allowed to go into schools and sell the idea that boys can become girls and girls can become boys, yet the reality is not anywhere near so simple. It involves experimental drugs that have permanent effects, such as infertility. It may be a reasonable compromise for someone who has struggled throughout their life with gender dysphoria, has had many years of unsuccessful counselling and is a fully mature adult who can make an informed choice, but for children? Young impressionable people who are still learning who they are and how they fit in the world? It's very worrying. Especially as there is a whole subset of extremely homphobic people out there for whom transitioning has become the new conversion therapy, with budding teenage lesbians being convinced through transactivism that they are really a boy in a girl's body despite never having grown up with any kind of unease about their gender identity until the question of sexual attraction came up.
Transgender people deserve rights and protections from discrimination just like everyone else but just like everyone else their right to live the way they choose cannot come at the expense of other people and their rights. And in the case of self-ID and being able to use women only spaces while still male-bodied, the rights of transgender people seem to be coming at the expense of women. I would never have got drawn into all of this if I hadn't seen such blanket acceptance of the idea of Graham Linehan being transphobic and "going off the deep end" as it were without any real analysis of the issues he was raising. Lots of people, like my husband, seemed to have picked up the idea Linehan had "lost it" almost as if by osmosis. Just read the allegation somewhere on social media and accepted it. Being such a lifelong fan, though, I needed proof, needed to see for myself and the more I've looked into it the more worried I've become. I just don't think anyone under the age of 25, who is still growing and maturing as a person, should be taking life changing hormone therapy, it's just wrong. We know so little of the effects and organisations like Mermaids that appear to condone it, that approach every questioning child as an automatic candidate, without the years of therapy that had previously been considered best practice, feel dangerous to me. I'm wondering what kind of society we are becoming that we are willing to allow these concepts to become the accepted norm with no debate over the ethics or consequences for wider society in such haste. We really shouldn't hurry into making self-ID law, but take the time to make sure we get it right.
Mermaids do not prescribe any medication. They are purely a counselling and advice service.It involves experimental drugs that have permanent effects, such as infertility.
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I meant changing gender involves taking such drugs. So if Mermaids is supportive of children changing gender they are supportive of hormone therapy (at least, it seems this is likely to be the case, as the charity was started by parents of transitioning children, so one assumes they are more supportive than not). And my objection isn't to their role in supporting families who are already involved with transgender issues. My query is around their qualifications to go into schools and talk about trangender issues to children who have not been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. I think this is a reaonable question.refitman wrote:Willow904 wrote:
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The case against Miranda Yardley is over. The judge said there was no evidence.
4:05 PM - 1 Mar 2019
So this woman from Mermaids, Helen Islan, brought some kind of harrassment case against a transgender woman called Miranda Yardley that got thrown out for lack of evidence. So if there really wasn't anything close to harrassment going on, why did the person from Mermaids, a charity that supports trans kids, feel the need to pursue charges against a transgender person, a case that was always going to raise some eyebrows, I mean it doesn't sound very trans friendly or trans supportive, does it? The key seems to be that this Miranda Yardley, who seems quite a character, refuses to accept that transgender women are women and for some transactivists this equates to transphobia whoever it comes from, despite being indisputable scientific fact.
The problem Graham Linehan has with Mermaids and so seemingly endng up on the "wrong" side of this debate in the eyes of many, is that they are amateurs with no professional qualifications in healthcare, child psychology or safeguarding yet they are being allowed to go into schools and sell the idea that boys can become girls and girls can become boys, yet the reality is not anywhere near so simple. It involves experimental drugs that have permanent effects, such as infertility. It may be a reasonable compromise for someone who has struggled throughout their life with gender dysphoria, has had many years of unsuccessful counselling and is a fully mature adult who can make an informed choice, but for children? Young impressionable people who are still learning who they are and how they fit in the world? It's very worrying. Especially as there is a whole subset of extremely homphobic people out there for whom transitioning has become the new conversion therapy, with budding teenage lesbians being convinced through transactivism that they are really a boy in a girl's body despite never having grown up with any kind of unease about their gender identity until the question of sexual attraction came up.
Transgender people deserve rights and protections from discrimination just like everyone else but just like everyone else their right to live the way they choose cannot come at the expense of other people and their rights. And in the case of self-ID and being able to use women only spaces while still male-bodied, the rights of transgender people seem to be coming at the expense of women. I would never have got drawn into all of this if I hadn't seen such blanket acceptance of the idea of Graham Linehan being transphobic and "going off the deep end" as it were without any real analysis of the issues he was raising. Lots of people, like my husband, seemed to have picked up the idea Linehan had "lost it" almost as if by osmosis. Just read the allegation somewhere on social media and accepted it. Being such a lifelong fan, though, I needed proof, needed to see for myself and the more I've looked into it the more worried I've become. I just don't think anyone under the age of 25, who is still growing and maturing as a person, should be taking life changing hormone therapy, it's just wrong. We know so little of the effects and organisations like Mermaids that appear to condone it, that approach every questioning child as an automatic candidate, without the years of therapy that had previously been considered best practice, feel dangerous to me. I'm wondering what kind of society we are becoming that we are willing to allow these concepts to become the accepted norm with no debate over the ethics or consequences for wider society in such haste. We really shouldn't hurry into making self-ID law, but take the time to make sure we get it right.Mermaids do not prescribe any medication. They are purely a counselling and advice service.It involves experimental drugs that have permanent effects, such as infertility.
[youtube]fxBOlLFz6NU[/youtube]refitman wrote:Here's the letter: " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;AnatolyKasparov wrote:Jennie Formby's letter to Tom Watson - ouch.