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Is Debbie Abrahams not in with a chance or is it too soon (only elected 2010)? Right credentials re NHS but difficult seat in Oldham. Just a thought.JackPranker wrote:Umunna, imo. Burnham's tainted as Brown's Treasury Secretary and Mid-Staffs (both wrongly) and has apologised to so many people over the years he's mooted to star in a BBC remake as Timothy Lumsden in an up-to-dating of "Sorry" called "Non-Apology Apology".PorFavor wrote:I like the Eagle sisters. But we're back in "the wrong . . . " territory, so perhaps not!TechnicalEphemera wrote:Andy Burnham is the obvious front runner.
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Oh, I didn't mean Balls or Reeves as an alternative, people loathe them! I'm marginally more generous, Reeves at least has youth to blame!
Edited, because this sounds unkind. Nevertheless it's true, Balls because of all the usual, and Reeves because she's never really had enough positive exposure after her 'tougher than the Tories' glitch.
She is really mistrusted as a result, though I've seen her much, much better, but only when watching a debate, never in the news.
Edited, because this sounds unkind. Nevertheless it's true, Balls because of all the usual, and Reeves because she's never really had enough positive exposure after her 'tougher than the Tories' glitch.
She is really mistrusted as a result, though I've seen her much, much better, but only when watching a debate, never in the news.
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Hate to say it guys but the most likely successor if Labour don't win in 2015 will be Chuka Umunna
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No he isn't - see my post above. Even the Blairites have stopped hyping him, so manifestly obvious is it that he is nowhere near ready yet.pk1 wrote:Hate to say it guys but the most likely successor if Labour don't win in 2015 will be Chuka Umunna
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Most of the old timers in the shadow cabinet have pretty much zilch credibility and are past their sell by date IMO ... My sis had the unfortunate experience of hearing some of them speak at a Labour function a while back and thought they were bloody awful - couldn't inspire themselves let alone anyone else. It was the same old neo liberal, austerity rules stuff ... totally tired and out of touch.seeingclearly wrote:Oh, I didn't mean Ball or Reeves as an alternative, people loathe them! I'm marginally more generous, Reeves at least has youth to blame!
I can't imagine Reeves doing anything for the party's image or verve ... it would be like having a corpse as leader. Sorry - I know that's very unkind - but Labour needs some serious animus and she doesn't do that.
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Reeves is pretty good in a post she is suited to - she would be good as Chief Sec, for example (or even Chancellor one day?)
Not only is she in one of Labour's most thankless jobs at present, though, but her skill set isn't a great match for it.
At least she has abandoned Byrne's at times rabble-rousing rhetoric, though. That is something.
Not only is she in one of Labour's most thankless jobs at present, though, but her skill set isn't a great match for it.
At least she has abandoned Byrne's at times rabble-rousing rhetoric, though. That is something.
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Any good news anywhere ?
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What a complete and utter berk he is.David Cameron under fire for refusing to wear pro-feminist T-shirt
Campaigners hit out at PM over refusal to support magazine campaign, especially after Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband agreed
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... Lorraine Candy, editor-in-chief of Elle, said: “This is a shame on so many levels, especially given he knew Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband had agreed without hesitation, alongside many other influential men who were more than happy to call themselves feminists. It seems the prime minister still has an issue with the word feminist.”
Elle had approached Cameron as part of its upcoming feminism issue. When asked by the magazine why the PM would not wear the garment, Cameron’s team said he would rather give them a supportive quote instead. But the quote, it turned out, made no mention of the word feminism...
Editing to add (before Ohso does): Perhaps he didn't have a proper supportive bra to go underneath it.
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Creasy is certainly one, Lisa Nandy another. Despite being on the right of the party, John Woodcock is a genuinely sound and likeable bloke.
Actually, Labour's 2010 intake is strikingly good and one of the reasons for not totally giving up hope. 2015's doesn't look like it will be bad, either
Its just a question of getting there......
Actually, Labour's 2010 intake is strikingly good and one of the reasons for not totally giving up hope. 2015's doesn't look like it will be bad, either
Its just a question of getting there......
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More on Neil Findlay, I for one would be pleased to have a left-winger as head of Scottish Labour, suck a few Blairites off down south.
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Isn't it Clegg's job to support Tory tits ?rebeccariots2 wrote:David Cameron under fire for refusing to wear pro-feminist T-shirt
Campaigners hit out at PM over refusal to support magazine campaign, especially after Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband agreed
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... rt-refusal
... Lorraine Candy, editor-in-chief of Elle, said: “This is a shame on so many levels, especially given he knew Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband had agreed without hesitation, alongside many other influential men who were more than happy to call themselves feminists. It seems the prime minister still has an issue with the word feminist.”
Elle had approached Cameron as part of its upcoming feminism issue. When asked by the magazine why the PM would not wear the garment, Cameron’s team said he would rather give them a supportive quote instead. But the quote, it turned out, made no mention of the word feminism...
What a complete and utter berk he is.
Editing to add (before Ohso does): Perhaps he didn't have a proper supportive bra to go underneath it.
Sorry, I'll get my coat.
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Lisa Nandy is very under-rated.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Creasy is certainly one, Lisa Nandy another. Despite being on the right of the party, John Woodcock is a genuinely sound and likeable bloke.
Actually, Labour's 2010 intake is strikingly good and one of the reasons for not totally giving up hope. 2015's doesn't look like it will be bad, either
Its just a question of getting there......
Woodcock suffers with depression which can be utterly crippling so I'm not sure how he would cope with the pressures of a front bench job.
I don't see what most of you seem to regarding Creasy. Yes she did a good job on payday lenders but her shrill debating style really grates on my nerves.
I certainly agree that Reeves, given her background in finance, would be better suited to a Treasury post.
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yahyah wrote:Isn't it Clegg's job to support Tory tits ?rebeccariots2 wrote:David Cameron under fire for refusing to wear pro-feminist T-shirt
Campaigners hit out at PM over refusal to support magazine campaign, especially after Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband agreed
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... rt-refusal
... Lorraine Candy, editor-in-chief of Elle, said: “This is a shame on so many levels, especially given he knew Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband had agreed without hesitation, alongside many other influential men who were more than happy to call themselves feminists. It seems the prime minister still has an issue with the word feminist.”
Elle had approached Cameron as part of its upcoming feminism issue. When asked by the magazine why the PM would not wear the garment, Cameron’s team said he would rather give them a supportive quote instead. But the quote, it turned out, made no mention of the word feminism...
What a complete and utter berk he is.
Editing to add (before Ohso does): Perhaps he didn't have a proper supportive bra to go underneath it.
Sorry, I'll get my coat.
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Well Murphy would probably be a disastrous choice in terms of his Blairite, for the other brother, credentials. Scotland wants something different - something radically different (don't we all).letsskiptotheleft wrote:More on Neil Findlay, I for one would be pleased to have a left-winger as head of Scottish Labour, suck a few Blairites off down south.
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Oh I say! Well done that yahyah!yahyah wrote:Isn't it Clegg's job to support Tory tits ?rebeccariots2 wrote:David Cameron under fire for refusing to wear pro-feminist T-shirt
Campaigners hit out at PM over refusal to support magazine campaign, especially after Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband agreed
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... rt-refusal
... Lorraine Candy, editor-in-chief of Elle, said: “This is a shame on so many levels, especially given he knew Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband had agreed without hesitation, alongside many other influential men who were more than happy to call themselves feminists. It seems the prime minister still has an issue with the word feminist.”
Elle had approached Cameron as part of its upcoming feminism issue. When asked by the magazine why the PM would not wear the garment, Cameron’s team said he would rather give them a supportive quote instead. But the quote, it turned out, made no mention of the word feminism...
What a complete and utter berk he is.
Editing to add (before Ohso does): Perhaps he didn't have a proper supportive bra to go underneath it.
Sorry, I'll get my coat.
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Creasy isn't any good at all, according a friend of mine who is in her constituency party.
One I think has been underused is Teresa Pearce, who was a senior manager at a Big 6/5/4 accountant and has 30 years of activism in Erith and Thamesmead, not a particularly ethereal place.
One I think has been underused is Teresa Pearce, who was a senior manager at a Big 6/5/4 accountant and has 30 years of activism in Erith and Thamesmead, not a particularly ethereal place.
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Poor old J Clive Matthews trying to argue with some Kipper types.
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It's not only sadness that I feel. I'm angry, bitterly disappointed and feeling quite vengeful against the bastards who have, since day 1, been out to GET EdM. I'm a Scorpio and my loathing (hatred actually, if I'm honest) of these people measures just about equal with the same feelings towards the #TOXICTORIES and their sh1tty, patronising, delusional, cruel and vile enablers.RobertSnozers wrote:It's sad that we're even talking about who might replace Miliband although the point has been made that he never really had close supporters at the highest rank apart from John Denham, who's on his way out. Burnham is, for me, the only possibility. I think if it were anyone else among those who have been mentioned and are vaguely likely (Umunna, Reeves, Balls) I'd have to join the 'plague o' both your houses' set. David M is finished in UK politics. Stella Creasey isn't even on the front bench (unless I've missed something) so is years away being able to think about the possibility.
Someone dig me out of the slough of despond by telling us about all the Labour MPs coming through that we can actually get excited about.
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My money was, is and will remained with Ed. I think talk of replacements is giving in to the evil bile sprouted by Crosby and directed to the favoured reporters to carry forward into MSM.
If we, on a group like this, cant see through that, then its a poor show.
If we, on a group like this, cant see through that, then its a poor show.
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I can spell beautiful but can't get down the comment that far to correct it!
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George Eaton @georgeeaton 10s10 seconds ago
Scottish Labour leadership election looks likely to be battle between Murphy and Findlay.
Scottish Labour leadership election looks likely to be battle between Murphy and Findlay.
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OK I'm with you!AngryAsWell wrote:My money was, is and will remained with Ed. I think talk of replacements is giving in to the evil bile sprouted by Crosby and directed to the favoured reporters to carry forward into MSM.
If we, on a group like this, cant see through that, then its a poor show.
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Battery message came up when posting so had a duplicate burp!
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I think the conversation did drift a bit. What folk here worry about I think is that apart from Ed and Burnham there are not many big hitters who play well in the media.AngryAsWell wrote:My money was, is and will remained with Ed. I think talk of replacements is giving in to the evil bile sprouted by Crosby and directed to the favoured reporters to carry forward into MSM.
If we, on a group like this, cant see through that, then its a poor show.
I think Anatoly was pointing to the problem, which is that nobody can countenance a lot of the Blairites who held sway for so long so there's not much old talent to go for, while the new talent is taking time to emerge.
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And for the record I don't think this is a "tribal" conversation. I found it interesting that Jack seemed to go for Umunna, who most Labour members can't stand
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which is a reminder I guess that any party has to choose people who speak broadly to the electorate as well as to the faithful. Dave himself would do well to remember this as he panders ever more to his right wing who nevertheless reward him with defectionsPaulfromYorkshire wrote:And for the record I don't think this is a "tribal" conversation. I found it interesting that Jack seemed to go for Umunna, who most Labour members can't stand
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I fail to see much in Stella Creasy too, and my frustration isn't with Miliband, it's more with a few senior members of his cabinet, a few who where promoted too early IMO, Reeves, Umunna, are the obvious ones, I have more confidence in the likes of Jamie Reed, Kevin Brennan, Bryant, Owen Smith and Chris Leslie, all doing fine jobs, and yes admittedly most of their senior cabinet members in the same departments are also. But all those names mentioned are willing to put up a fight, it's the ones who bleat out the same narrative that gets me.
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Well if nothing else it will be a battle between opposing wings of the party, should be interesting?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:George Eaton @georgeeaton 10s10 seconds ago
Scottish Labour leadership election looks likely to be battle between Murphy and Findlay.
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From the earlier posts it would seem there are lots of good Labour women in parliament. Far more than there are in government.yahyah wrote:Any good news anywhere ?
(this might be news to the country)
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Not an endorsement, you understand. CM is a posterboy and with as much depth. I think he might grow into a leader but it'll be a while before he gets to wear big boy pants.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And for the record I don't think this is a "tribal" conversation. I found it interesting that Jack seemed to go for Umunna, who most Labour members can't stand
Murphy vs Findlay?
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Christ almighty. They won't give that up.Laura McInerney @miss_mcinerney 4m4 minutes ago
Morgan asks why Hunt is allowed to teach in a school in Stoke. < THAT'S CALLED BEING A VISITOR. *siiiiiiiigh
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David Drew is a Campaign Group left-winger.David Drew @DavidEDrew Oct 26
More ceaseless drivel from Green Party. If they're not ruining Brighton they are forever just avoiding doing anything to help working class.
He doesn't seem to live the Green Party.
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A genuine debate could do SLab some good. And if it means Murphy has to tack left to win, all the betterJackPranker wrote:Not an endorsement, you understand. CM is a posterboy and with as much depth. I think he might grow into a leader but it'll be a while before he gets to wear big boy pants.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And for the record I don't think this is a "tribal" conversation. I found it interesting that Jack seemed to go for Umunna, who most Labour members can't stand
Murphy vs Findlay?
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Ah, Cameron; living proof that if you give a man enough Europe he'll hang himself.
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Apparently ,Labour have evidence that a Government knew about 1.7 billion bill as early as the Summer.
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Hello fellow Scorp. We do do super strong loathing don't we - and some. I give a lot of leeway - but when someone finally blows it with me .... that's generally it - and I mean IT. No way back.giselle97 wrote:It's not only sadness that I feel. I'm angry, bitterly disappointed and feeling quite vengeful against the bastards who have, since day 1, been out to GET EdM. I'm a Scorpio and my loathing (hatred actually, if I'm honest) of these people measures just about equal with the same feelings towards the #TOXICTORIES and their sh1tty, patronising, delusional, cruel and vile enablers.RobertSnozers wrote:It's sad that we're even talking about who might replace Miliband although the point has been made that he never really had close supporters at the highest rank apart from John Denham, who's on his way out. Burnham is, for me, the only possibility. I think if it were anyone else among those who have been mentioned and are vaguely likely (Umunna, Reeves, Balls) I'd have to join the 'plague o' both your houses' set. David M is finished in UK politics. Stella Creasey isn't even on the front bench (unless I've missed something) so is years away being able to think about the possibility.
Someone dig me out of the slough of despond by telling us about all the Labour MPs coming through that we can actually get excited about.
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Kay Burley, apparently posed this question earlier ''what if the man who got too close to Cameron had Ebola?''
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Christ on a bike!letsskiptotheleft wrote:Kay Burley, apparently posed this question earlier ''what if the man who got too close to Cameron had Ebola?''
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She's quite angry about it on Twitter.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Kay Burley, apparently posed this question earlier ''what if the man who got too close to Cameron had Ebola?''
JeffLebowski @caucasianjerry 1h1 hour ago
@KayBurley Dear Kay, Ebola? You are a fearmonger and a fool. That is all.
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@caucasianjerry I was reading out a tweet from a viewer Clean out your ears
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Ken Clarke gets shouted down by his fellow back benchers over the European Arrest Warrant.
Such a classy bunch.
@Jack, I thought it was a piss take, alas not!
Such a classy bunch.
@Jack, I thought it was a piss take, alas not!
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Clarke to Cameron ''Everyone in the FO and Treasury must have known about the demand for money''
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Hi everyone,rebeccariots2 wrote:Hello fellow Scorp. We do do super strong loathing don't we - and some. I give a lot of leeway - but when someone finally blows it with me .... that's generally it - and I mean IT. No way back.giselle97 wrote:It's not only sadness that I feel. I'm angry, bitterly disappointed and feeling quite vengeful against the bastards who have, since day 1, been out to GET EdM. I'm a Scorpio and my loathing (hatred actually, if I'm honest) of these people measures just about equal with the same feelings towards the #TOXICTORIES and their sh1tty, patronising, delusional, cruel and vile enablers.RobertSnozers wrote:It's sad that we're even talking about who might replace Miliband although the point has been made that he never really had close supporters at the highest rank apart from John Denham, who's on his way out. Burnham is, for me, the only possibility. I think if it were anyone else among those who have been mentioned and are vaguely likely (Umunna, Reeves, Balls) I'd have to join the 'plague o' both your houses' set. David M is finished in UK politics. Stella Creasey isn't even on the front bench (unless I've missed something) so is years away being able to think about the possibility.
Someone dig me out of the slough of despond by telling us about all the Labour MPs coming through that we can actually get excited about.
This morning, on my way in to town, there was first a fox with a big, bushy cream tail and then a big and beatiful round badger laying cold stone dead just off the grass verge.
but I'm a Virgo and I do the exact same.Quietly put up with quite a lot then suddenly it's all over.The offender becomes invisible.So maybe it's not an astrological trait.Or maybe I'm just mean.
All a bit depressing at the moment,but,come on,does anyone really believe that Ed will be removed so near the election?Looking at you Anatoly,maybe don't answer.
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Briefly returning to the Scottish LP for a moment, I've come across this post on UKPR by Amber Star, a Scot who used to post on the Graun:
That's not how the media report things is it.AMBER STAR
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…Douglas Alexander taking centre stage and side-lining Johann at the ‘act of reconciliation’ on the steps of St. Giles’ on September 21st.acting with an arrogance which…
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That’s your impression. Some of us were at the Scottish Party Conference where Johann Lamont strode around, engaging with nobody, whilst Douglas Alexander sat on a low wall outside the conference centre chatting with everybody who approached him. Margaret Curran & Anas Sarwar speak to everybody; Caroline Flint & Harriet Harman – both English MPs – come out door knocking or on walkabouts with us whenever they’re in Edinburgh; Ed Miliband has done several walk-abouts, including wandering around Prince’s Street Gardens with us when he was here on holiday. Actually, when I think about it, I’ve had more conversations with Ed Miliband than I’ve had with Johann Lamont!
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Can one of the mods set a trap for Jack's smiley's please, so we catch and can keep them ? esp the popcorn one...
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Labour has evidence for the demand for extra money 7 months ago, Morgan implicated.
Re: Monday 27th October 2014
Laughed,I could have cried!Doesn't he have any advisors with even a little wisdom?Really,he isn't safe to let out.DonutHingeParty wrote:Ah, Cameron; living proof that if you give a man enough Europe he'll hang himself.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/o ... -eu-rebate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But,of course,it's all bad news for Ed.
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Re: Monday 27th October 2014
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Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 6m 6 minutes ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
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Re: Monday 27th October 2014
letsskiptotheleft wrote:Labour has evidence for the demand for extra money 7 months ago, Morgan implicated.
George Eaton @georgeeaton · 12m 12 minutes ago
The letter from Nicky Morgan cited by Miliband, which said the Treasury was giving "high priority" to GNI changes.
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/ ... 0178164737
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Re: Monday 27th October 2014
Has anybody posted Populus today:rebeccariots2 wrote:Dan Hodges retweeted
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft · 6m 6 minutes ago
Ashcroft National Poll, 24-26 October: CON 31%, LAB 31%, LDEM 7%, UKIP 18%, GRN 5%. Full details on @ConHome, 4pm.
Populus VI: Lab 36 (+1), Con 34 (+1), LD 8 (-1), UKIP 13 (-2), Oth 8 (-1).
All polls mighty close - too close for my liking