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Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 1:26 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:
danesclose wrote:Just seen this tweet from @labourpress.
Does anyone know any more about it?

Ouch. A few days ago DC was heckled by pensioners, today he's heckled by his own party members at his own general election launch.

I've just been on there. Haven't seen anything yet.

I had a look, too. It's, so far, an isolated "tweet" with no follow-up.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 1:34 pm**

According to folk on cif 'readers edition' it was Mike Howson MP complaining Cameron isn't right-wing enough.
Another one for UKIP I suppose.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 1:59 pm**

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03 ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Addressing activists at the Tory spring conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister sought to cast the contest as a personal battle with Ed Miliband, accusing the Labour leader of heading a "bunch of hypocritical, holier-than-thou, hopeless, sneering socialists".

It's going to be a dirty Tory campaign.

PS: Who is he calling 'hopeless'?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:04 pm**

Swarthlander wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03 ... _hp_ref=uk

Addressing activists at the Tory spring conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister sought to cast the contest as a personal battle with Ed Miliband, accusing the Labour leader of heading a "bunch of hypocritical, holier-than-thou, hopeless, sneering socialists".

what a statesman

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:09 pm**

From Swarthlander's link to the Huffington Post article -

David Cameron has admitted the General Election is on a "knife-edge" as he set out to woo voters with the promise of a "truly seven-day" NHS if the Conservatives are returned to power on May 7. (my emphasis)

So the NHS has got seven days left after a Conservative election win? Sounds about right.

Edited to add -

And those were his exact words (in the above quote) - I've just heard him say it.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:17 pm**

Swarthlander wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03 ... _hp_ref=uk

Addressing activists at the Tory spring conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister sought to cast the contest as a personal battle with Ed Miliband, accusing the Labour leader of heading a "bunch of hypocritical, holier-than-thou, hopeless, sneering socialists".

It's going to be a dirty Tory campaign.

PS: Who is he calling 'hopeless'?

Bless his cotton socks. We are holier than him. Christian, Agnostic, atheist, or rabidly anti, we live with and treat our fellow man with many of the 'Christian' values.

My downfall is I can't turn the other cheek. I hope there is a hell and they all go there.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:18 pm**

Swarthlander wrote:According to folk on cif 'readers edition' it was Mike Howson MP complaining Cameron isn't right-wing enough.
Another one for UKIP I suppose.

Who? There is no Westminster MP of that name, nor has there ever been according to Wikipedia

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:28 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Swarthlander wrote:According to folk on cif 'readers edition' it was Mike Howson MP complaining Cameron isn't right-wing enough.
Another one for UKIP I suppose.

Who? There is no Westminster MP of that name, nor has there ever been according to Wikipedia

According to the Telegraph he is a 59 year old member of the Staffordshire party (not an MP, as you point out); actually, likely to be an ex-member very shortly, as he anticipates being expelled by the Tories following his comments this morning.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:31 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Swarthlander wrote:According to folk on cif 'readers edition' it was Mike Howson MP complaining Cameron isn't right-wing enough.
Another one for UKIP I suppose.

Who? There is no Westminster MP of that name, nor has there ever been according to Wikipedia

Oops!

er.. OK then... erm... someone who's NOT an MP said something or other.

Rule 1: Don't believe anything you read in a newspaper.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:39 pm**

I've found this on Mike Howson and the David Cameron spat -

Michael CrickVerified account ‏@MichaelLCrick

Tory member Mike Howson from Leek, who heckled Cameron speech, says party is weak on EU and immigration. He admits he may now be expelled

Retweets 40
Favourites 14
John Steele Craig Johnson Mike at Glastonbury Atif Asif Sailesh Patel Alan Clarke tom Moorlands Labour Ohis Eboreime

5:04 am - 28 Mar 2015

I don't understand the 5.04 am timeline at the bottom, though.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:42 pm**

@ TheGrimSqueaker

Whoops, snap etc, etc . . . .

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:43 pm**

PorFavor wrote:@ TheGrimSqueaker

Whoops, snap, etc, etc . . . .

Edited to add a comma

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:43 pm**

Bumboils.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:45 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Bumboils.

Edited to add an air of mystery?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:50 pm**

PorFavor wrote:I've found this on Mike Howson and the David Cameron spat -

Michael CrickVerified account ‏@MichaelLCrick

Tory member Mike Howson from Leek, who heckled Cameron speech, says party is weak on EU and immigration. He admits he may now be expelled

Retweets 40
Favourites 14
John Steele Craig Johnson Mike at Glastonbury Atif Asif Sailesh Patel Alan Clarke tom Moorlands Labour Ohis Eboreime

5:04 am - 28 Mar 2015
I don't understand the 5.04 am timeline at the bottom, though.

It says the tweet was sent at 12.04pm on my computer.

Do you have the correct time on your own computer ?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:51 pm**

Re: the t-shirt...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/h ... l1VXl_EcRe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 2:54 pm**

pk1 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:I've found this on Mike Howson and the David Cameron spat -

Michael CrickVerified account ‏@MichaelLCrick

Tory member Mike Howson from Leek, who heckled Cameron speech, says party is weak on EU and immigration. He admits he may now be expelled

Retweets 40
Favourites 14
John Steele Craig Johnson Mike at Glastonbury Atif Asif Sailesh Patel Alan Clarke tom Moorlands Labour Ohis Eboreime

5:04 am - 28 Mar 2015
I don't understand the 5.04 am timeline at the bottom, though.
It says the tweet was sent at 12.04pm on my computer.

Do you have the correct time on your own computer ?

On my computer - yes. I'm an hour out on this site but that will mean I'm already set up for tomorrow!

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:01 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Swarthlander wrote:http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/03 ... _hp_ref=uk

Addressing activists at the Tory spring conference in Manchester, the Prime Minister sought to cast the contest as a personal battle with Ed Miliband, accusing the Labour leader of heading a "bunch of hypocritical, holier-than-thou, hopeless, sneering socialists".

what a statesman

Take out the socialist bit and he's just described his own personality.

I take it he's feeling a bit rattled after blowing it against Paxman?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:02 pm**

Swarthlander wrote:Re: the t-shirt...

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/h ... l1VXl_EcRe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plus: Katie Hopkins might just have won the election for labour:
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/k ... JeNrDZktRg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:06 pm**

David Cameron in talks over another coalition, it is claimed
With polls pointing to another hung Parliament it is claimed that the Prime Minister “doesn’t bother to maintain the fiction” that he is not planning for a second coalition with the Liberal Democrats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... aimed.html

I'm pants at music so hope the title's right, because this sprang to mind: Running Scared - Roy Orbison.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:07 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 12 mins12 minutes ago

Labour goes all in on "hell yes" with a t-shirt for £15-donating supporters.

Looks as if that's going to be the slogan that sticks...Like it.

I've just an email from Labour to buy one.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:09 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:
David Cameron in talks over another coalition, it is claimed
With polls pointing to another hung Parliament it is claimed that the Prime Minister “doesn’t bother to maintain the fiction” that he is not planning for a second coalition with the Liberal Democrats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... aimed.html
I'm pants at music so hope the title's right, because this sprang to mind: Running Scared - Roy Orbison.

You've got the right song title. I'm chomping at the bit for a chance to hear "It's Over" - also by Roy Orbison.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:15 pm**

Adam Ramsay ‏@AdamRamsay 22 mins22 minutes ago
Various projections from experts for this election:
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ

Yesterday, academic forecasters from the US & UK came together to predict 2015 general election.

https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/581825718159568896 …

Their forecasts ->Cameron staying is only plausible in 2/12

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:22 pm**

PorFavor wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
David Cameron in talks over another coalition, it is claimed
With polls pointing to another hung Parliament it is claimed that the Prime Minister “doesn’t bother to maintain the fiction” that he is not planning for a second coalition with the Liberal Democrats.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... aimed.html
I'm pants at music so hope the title's right, because this sprang to mind: Running Scared - Roy Orbison.
You've got the right song title. I'm chomping at the bit for a chance to hear "It's Over" - also by Roy Orbison.

[youtube]UH-AafkQPEo[/youtube]

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:24 pm**

Discrimination claim cases against Welsh employers have dropped 40% since the Coalition's new £1,200 charge to bring a case.

It obviously hits the lowest paid most, less likely to be able to afford to pay the fee.
My other half spent a lot of his career in human resources at a fairly high level, and he has always maintained that workers' ability to challenge at tribunal is vital to keep employers working honestly and fairly. But Tories/Lib Dems obviously disagree.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... s--8935181

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:33 pm**

It was mentioned earlier (I think it might have been on the CiF reader's blog) that there's been surprising little reporting of those Salmond-masked Tory protesters getting a bit physical with Miliband. I've just been in a Twitter conversation about those silly paid protesters that all parties seem to send out to ruin photo ops and I mentioned it and they didn't believe me until I linked the story from the Mirror. Fair to say very few people are even aware of it.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:49 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:Adam Ramsay ‏@AdamRamsay 22 mins22 minutes ago
Various projections from experts for this election:
Matthew Goodwin @GoodwinMJ

Yesterday, academic forecasters from the US & UK came together to predict 2015 general election.

https://twitter.com/goodwinmj/status/581825718159568896 …

Their forecasts ->Cameron staying is only plausible in 2/12

Just first thoughts from me - LibDem results were too high

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 3:50 pm**

I had a cover lesson yesterday for a y10 citizenship class, and I was given a good basic 'this is uk democracy' PowerPoint to use, but instead we just talked about what they knew for about half an hour and then watched bits of the Thursday night debate. They were a good lefty group who related Cameron's answers about zhc to their family experience and took great pleasure in telling me how much they hated ukip. It was the second nicest cover lesson I've ever had.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:07 pm**

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory Poster: "A strong economy for a strong NHS"

Seethe.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:09 pm**

Anatoly's round up:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Five local council byelections this week, four in Scotland (and backing up the polls to at least some extent) and one in Wales:

Vale of Glamorgan - a narrow Tory gain from the localist "Llantwit Major Independents" who have dominated this area in recent years (taking all four councillors in 2012, and 3 in 2008 and 2004 as the Tories managed to take the last seat on each occasion) with a hefty swing. They may have been helped by lower turnout, but also quite possibly by the decision of the local Indies to back a minority Labour administration on the council since the last elections. Labour in third with their share little changed, Plaid last with their share more than halved to just 3% (continuing their recent generally lacklustre showings in these contests)

Fife - that can't really be said of the SNP of course, and they continued that here with a gain from Labour on first preferences with a swing of 9% since the 2012 elections (though it was, intriguingly, only a modest change since 2007 - Nat results here last time were notably poor as a controversial SNP-led administration was voted out of office) Labour may take a crumb of comfort that their own share was down by a relatively modest 5% in an area where the SNP have traditionally been strong - they cleaned up this time in the absence of Indy and "Pensioner" candidates who polled decently three years ago. Tories third with a small increase, followed by UKIP in their first contest here and lastly the LibDems (down to barely 1%)

Western Isles (no, I'm not going to try reciting the "official" Gaelic title ) - Independent gain from Labour who did not stand this time (not an uncommon development in an area where personal votes are still very important) as they beat the SNP by roughly 3 to 2 in a straight fight. This division split 2 Independent/1 Labour in both 2007 and 2012, and much of the former Labour vote seems to have gone to the Nats, who notably improved on their foray last time even if they did not win.

Moray - SNP gain from Independent on the first round of voting, with a swing of over 17% since 2012 and some 20% since a by-election here in early 2014 in a division that split 2 Indy/1 SNP both last time and in 2007. The swing may be exaggerated by only one Independent standing this time rather than the usual assortment (as was also the case in the previous by-election) but this was still another obviously strong SNP performance. Tories third and last, but with an advance of about 5% on both 2012 and the by-election - still no Labour candidate here since 2007, even though they polled decently then.

West Lothian - SNP hold in a division which split 1 Independent/ 1 Nat/ 1 Labour in both 2012 and 2007, on both occasions an SNP councillor turned Indy topped the poll (gaining over half of first preferences last time) This time round, a different independent candidate finished third with little over 20% - both the SNP and Labour benefited from the large Indy decline, but the Nats more so; there was a swing of about 5% to them from Labour compared to both the last two contests. Tories a distant fourth but still doubling their share on last time, Greens last in their first outing here with a little over 2%.

Two contests next week, one of them on Wednesday.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:13 pm**

Spacedone wrote:It was mentioned earlier (I think it might have been on the CiF reader's blog) that there's been surprising little reporting of those Salmond-masked Tory protesters getting a bit physical with Miliband. I've just been in a Twitter conversation about those silly paid protesters that all parties seem to send out to ruin photo ops and I mentioned it and they didn't believe me until I linked the story from the Mirror. Fair to say very few people are even aware of it.

I'm disturbed by the encounter. I'm not surprised it occurred. Ed Miliband knows what he's getting himself into. His domestic & foreign policies are not going to be popular with some people.

I'm not suggesting his recent encounter with masked assailants is in any way connected to my example of a possible unpopular policy below.

For example, it is good & just, in my opinion, he supports official recognition of Palestine & a genuine, active commitment to securing justice for the Palestinian people. This principled stance isn't typical. I've every reason to believe Ed Miliband has formed his position genuinely interested in securing greater justice for people in the world. Again, he can't be ignorant of anomosity his position may bring him.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:21 pm**

Spacedone wrote:It was mentioned earlier (I think it might have been on the CiF reader's blog) that there's been surprising little reporting of those Salmond-masked Tory protesters getting a bit physical with Miliband. I've just been in a Twitter conversation about those silly paid protesters that all parties seem to send out to ruin photo ops and I mentioned it and they didn't believe me until I linked the story from the Mirror. Fair to say very few people are even aware of it.

Partly because Ed himself hasn't made a big deal of it.

Whether that is wise or not, I'm not quite sure?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:23 pm**

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
Spacedone wrote:It was mentioned earlier (I think it might have been on the CiF reader's blog) that there's been surprising little reporting of those Salmond-masked Tory protesters getting a bit physical with Miliband. I've just been in a Twitter conversation about those silly paid protesters that all parties seem to send out to ruin photo ops and I mentioned it and they didn't believe me until I linked the story from the Mirror. Fair to say very few people are even aware of it.
Partly because Ed himself hasn't made a big deal of it.

Whether that is wise or not, I'm not quite sure?

Yes, my impression was that Miliband didn't want to make an issue out of it. I don't know if it's wise or not. However, I think Miliband knows exactly what he's doing. Edited to add, I trust his judgement.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:40 pm**

Is there video of the incident ?
Just wondering if trying to provoke Ed may have been the intention, right wingers desperate to try and goad him into reacting.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:42 pm**

adam wrote:I had a cover lesson yesterday for a y10 citizenship class, and I was given a good basic 'this is uk democracy' PowerPoint to use, but instead we just talked about what they knew for about half an hour and then watched bits of the Thursday night debate. They were a good lefty group who related Cameron's answers about zhc to their family experience and took great pleasure in telling me how much they hated ukip. It was the second nicest cover lesson I've ever had.

So much depends on the young. It's a big responsibility but that gives me hope.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:45 pm**

yahyah wrote:Is there video of the incident ?
Just wondering if trying to provoke Ed may have been the intention, right wingers desperate to try and goad him into reacting.

Due to masks being worn it sounds well planned and doesn't actually laying hands on a person make it a crime?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:51 pm**

yahyah wrote:Is there video of the incident ?
Just wondering if trying to provoke Ed may have been the intention, right wingers desperate to try and goad him into reacting.

I've seen nothing.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 4:53 pm**

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Is there video of the incident ?
Just wondering if trying to provoke Ed may have been the intention, right wingers desperate to try and goad him into reacting.
Due to masks being worn it sounds well planned and doesn't actually laying hands on a person make it a crime?

Yes, it's assault going by the description of the incident from the Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed ... rs-5409428" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:05 pm**

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Is there video of the incident ?
Just wondering if trying to provoke Ed may have been the intention, right wingers desperate to try and goad him into reacting.
Due to masks being worn it sounds well planned and doesn't actually laying hands on a person make it a crime?
Yes, it's assault going by the description of the incident from the Mirror.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed ... rs-5409428" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Tories deny it was anything to do with them yet money's been spent on the masks and placards.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:18 pm**

Is anyone else experiencing "General Error and SQuirreL" syndrome? I've been in and out like a fart in a colander, as my sainted grandmother would have said.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:19 pm**

Does Katie Hopkins assume Justine Miliband is not Jewish or doesn't she care ?

Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins)
27/03/2015 17:49
Pollsters say Justine is the least popular of party wives. He might stick her head in the oven and turn on the gas

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:21 pm**

PorFavor wrote:Is anyone else experiencing "General Error and SQuirreL" syndrome? I've been in and out like a fart in a colander, as my sainted grandmother would have said.

Yes, PF, the website is acting squirrelly.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:21 pm**

There are some baby badgers on Flog It.

Things that cute shouldn't be allowed.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:24 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:There are some baby badgers on Flog It.

Things that cute shouldn't be allowed.

What are baby badgers doing at an auction ?

Edited to add: oops getting my programme mixed up, it's Bargain Hunt that is at the auction.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:28 pm**

pk1 wrote:Does Katie Hopkins assume Justine Miliband is not Jewish or doesn't she care ?

Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins)
27/03/2015 17:49
Pollsters say Justine is the least popular of party wives. He might stick her head in the oven and turn on the gas

Apart from that aspect, it is a weird comment so what is she suggesting ?
That Ed would kill his wife because she isn't popular enough ?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:28 pm**

yahyah wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:There are some baby badgers on Flog It.

Things that cute shouldn't be allowed.

What are baby badgers doing at an auction ?

Edited to add: oops getting my programme mixed up, it's Bargain Hunt that is at the auction.

The baby badgers were in the "interesting story about the programme location" bit.
They weren't participating in the actual auction.

(edited for the pure hell of it!)

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:36 pm**

pk1 wrote:Does Katie Hopkins assume Justine Miliband is not Jewish or doesn't she care ?

Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins)
27/03/2015 17:49
Pollsters say Justine is the least popular of party wives. He might stick her head in the oven and turn on the gas

Whether it's a case of not knowing or of not caring re Justine Miliband's non-Jewishness (is that a word?), I'm sure that the motivation behind making the comment was to have a pop at Ed Miliband's Jewishness. Offensive and totally unacceptable.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:36 pm**

yahyah wrote:Discrimination claim cases against Welsh employers have dropped 40% since the Coalition's new £1,200 charge to bring a case.

It obviously hits the lowest paid most, less likely to be able to afford to pay the fee.
My other half spent a lot of his career in human resources at a fairly high level, and he has always maintained that workers' ability to challenge at tribunal is vital to keep employers working honestly and fairly. But Tories/Lib Dems obviously disagree.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... s--8935181

How very quite!

If the trade unions are smart though, they'll point out to would be members that once they're actual members, if they are in a position where they need trbunal representation, then that's exactly what union membership would confer, assuming the case isn't rubbish. My missus has helped out hundreds of members over the years and truned desperate situations for members into ones where they get substantial payoffs, improved redundancies, damages, compensation, great retirement packages and more, knowing that she's backedup by Thompson's in Liverpool, a law firm that acts frequently for Unite and has never acted for an employer.

The Tories and FibDems are beneath contempt, and both are lower than vermin, such is their haste to side with the bosses and deny ordniary working people their rights. Contemptuous and contemptible. How anyone could consider voting for them makes me shake my head in wonderment. I do hope that Tory and FibDem voters find themselves in a future situation where they're not union members and employers ride roughshod over their rights - the ones they'd deny to others.

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:41 pm**

tinyclanger2 wrote:There are some baby badgers on Flog It.

Things that cute shouldn't be allowed.

Are they as cute as these German Shepherd Police Dog puppies ?

Posted: **Sat 28 Mar, 2015 5:43 pm**

yahyah wrote:
pk1 wrote:Does Katie Hopkins assume Justine Miliband is not Jewish or doesn't she care ?

Katie Hopkins (@KTHopkins)
27/03/2015 17:49
Pollsters say Justine is the least popular of party wives. He might stick her head in the oven and turn on the gas
Apart from that aspect, it is a weird comment so what is she suggesting ?
That Ed would kill his wife because she isn't popular enough ?

Fuck knows. Suffice to say that Hopkins doesn't have blood in her veins like ordinary people - she has a mixture of poison, bile and dog vomit. In a world where standards of behaviour and decency often disappoint me, she manages to generate new lows with her twisted hatred.

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