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pk1 wrote:

refitman wrote:

pk1 wrote:We have a new spammer on the site

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&p=2403#p2403" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have reported it to the mods but is this the price we have to pay for being ad-free ?

We occasionally got them in the last place. Banned and deleted.

Never noticed them before but cheers for the answer - I had begun to think I was invisible since nobody ever responds to my posts any more. I have a shower every day & brush my teeth twice a day so I don't think my personal hygiene is the problem.....

Ha! Couldn't ignore you and respond at the same time - which presented somewhat of a dilemma - but I'll bite the bullet . . .

No one ever acknowledges my existence, either. Am I downhearted?

I rest my case . . .

I acknowledge you PK & PF


Anyone else care to predict next week's outcome ?
No prize for the nearest prediction other than a feeling of satisfaction.
If I remember I'll paste them all in one post next Friday as some people have already posted their predictions in the Pub thread.

Will be glad when it is all over, you get the feeling things are teetering on the edge of something nasty happening. Makes a general election campaign seem almost civilised.

Some Orange Order apparently went up to a Yes voter and bellowed ''Vote no, ya fucking wanker''

Yeah, that should work a treat.

I'd like to give a group hug too I admit to being an ignorant cow at times, but I appreciate everyone on here, even if I don't show it.

yahyah wrote:I acknowledge you PK & PF


Anyone else care to predict next week's outcome ?
No prize for the nearest prediction other than a feeling of satisfaction.
If I remember I'll paste them all in one post next Friday as some people have already posted their predictions in the Pub thread.

Will be glad when it is all over, you get the feeling things are teetering on the edge of something nasty happening. Makes a general election campaign seem almost civilised.

Hello!

I think it will be a "No" - by a respectable, but not enormous, margin. The gap, I fear, will not be large enough to prevent outbreaks of what will be presented as justifiable ill-feeling, and various accusations of this, that, and the other.

Although I have been known to be wrong!

OMG.

What are these people like. Someone telling Cif that the vote in their work place splits to 60% Yes, and that accurately portrays the situation on the ground.

If I took a poll of my neighbours and local village people and extrapolated that out we'd have a Green & Lib Dem government with Labour as the opposition and Ken Clarke as chancellor. [Ken Clarke is much loved by my neighbour's old man].

@PorFavor

Are you willing to put some % figures on that for Yes & No, and a prediction of the turn out number % ?

I think that a lot more people will claim they voted Yes than actually do so.

PorFavor wrote:

yahyah wrote:I acknowledge you PK & PF


Anyone else care to predict next week's outcome ?
No prize for the nearest prediction other than a feeling of satisfaction.
If I remember I'll paste them all in one post next Friday as some people have already posted their predictions in the Pub thread.

Will be glad when it is all over, you get the feeling things are teetering on the edge of something nasty happening. Makes a general election campaign seem almost civilised.

Hello!

I think it will be a "No" - by a respectable, but not enormous, margin. The gap, I fear, will not be large enough to prevent outbreaks of what will be presented as justifiable ill-feeling, and various accusations of this, that, and the other.

Although I have been known to be wrong!

I think, but hope not that there will be a considerable amount of bad feeling, there's a sizeable amount of people from both sides whose life's have been consumed by this referendum for the last two years, working daily for it, if it's a ''No'' how long can the independence issue be put to bed, at least 15 years in my opinion, you cannot have this dragged up every decade?

Have noticed that you can see who has thanked you and in which post,have decided that if I don't otherwise acknowledge a post/poster(I always read but don't always know what to say and as I dip in and out ,sometimes at ridiculous o'clock I presume they are no longer about)I will thank them in lieu of a posted reply."I love you all,hic"

PorFavor wrote:

yahyah wrote:I acknowledge you PK & PF


Anyone else care to predict next week's outcome ?
No prize for the nearest prediction other than a feeling of satisfaction.
If I remember I'll paste them all in one post next Friday as some people have already posted their predictions in the Pub thread.

Will be glad when it is all over, you get the feeling things are teetering on the edge of something nasty happening. Makes a general election campaign seem almost civilised.

Hello!

I think it will be a "No" - by a respectable, but not enormous, margin. The gap, I fear, will not be large enough to prevent outbreaks of what will be presented as justifiable ill-feeling, and various accusations of this, that, and the other.

Although I have been known to be wrong!

I think you are likely to be correct, however I am having some issues with reality today.


I have just had the surreal experience of passing a revolutionary songsmith preaching revolution in one of the midlands most middle class towns.

I particularly enjoyed the lyrics to "fight the ruling class." We will fight them in the corridors, and toilets of Westminster and on their country estates - apparently.

Bemused expressions on the locals faces. Still if he is up for the revolution I can bring a genuine warhorse as cavalry.

yahyah wrote:@PorFavor

Are you willing to put some % figures on that for Yes & No, and a prediction of the turn out number % ?

Well, just sticking a finger up in the air here - I reckon: "Yes" 44%; "No" 56%; turnout @ 80%.

HindleA wrote:Have noticed that you can see who has thanked you and in which post,have decided that if I don't otherwise acknowledge a post/poster(I always read but don't always know what to say and as I dip in and out ,sometimes at ridiculous o'clock I presume they are no longer about)I will thank them in lieu of a posted reply."I love you all,hic"

The problem with using the thanks button is it takes you off the page and shows a 'you have just thanked this post' dialogue box.

It works quicker than the old FTN site thanks button did, but it is one of the reasons I don't use the thanks function much, not because I am unappreciative of people or their posts.

Thanks PF, will add that to the other predictions in the Pub.

PorFavor wrote:

pk1 wrote:

refitman wrote: We occasionally got them in the last place. Banned and deleted.

Never noticed them before but cheers for the answer - I had begun to think I was invisible since nobody ever responds to my posts any more. I have a shower every day & brush my teeth twice a day so I don't think my personal hygiene is the problem.....

Ha! Couldn't ignore you and respond at the same time - which presented somewhat of a dilemma - but I'll bite the bullet . . .

No one ever acknowledges my existence, either. Am I downhearted?

I responded to the spam query, but under the spam post itself.

HindleA wrote:Have noticed that you can see who has thanked you and in which post,have decided that if I don't otherwise acknowledge a post/poster(I always read but don't always know what to say and as I dip in and out ,sometimes at ridiculous o'clock I presume they are no longer about)I will thank them in lieu of a posted reply."I love you all,hic"

I used to use the "Thanks" button to cover all manner of things and, as a consequence, I looked like the Uriah Heep of gratitude. So I've been reigning it in rather (ie not using it at all!) in this new incarnation. But I may go back to it. It's a handy way of nodding in people's direction.

I had toast for breakfast earlier this week, nothing unusual in that, have it every morning, with a cuppa and a few sly biscuits to finish off. On the toast I had ''McKay's Scottish Raspberry Jam'' putting it back in the fridge a thought came into my head, that thought, would I be so inclined to buy Scottish jam post independence, and the thing is I felt rotten thinking it, because it's wrong, weeks, months ago I wouldn't have entertained the idea.. Glad when it's all over now.

yahyah wrote:

HindleA wrote:Have noticed that you can see who has thanked you and in which post,have decided that if I don't otherwise acknowledge a post/poster(I always read but don't always know what to say and as I dip in and out ,sometimes at ridiculous o'clock I presume they are no longer about)I will thank them in lieu of a posted reply."I love you all,hic"

The problem with using the thanks button is it takes you off the page and shows a 'you have just thanked this post' dialogue box.

It works quicker than the old FTN site thanks button did, but it is one of the reasons I don't use the thanks function much, not because I am unappreciative of people or their posts.

If you give it a second, it will return you back to the post you just thanked.

@ohsocynical (and others)

I do appreciate the night nights, by the way. I always catch up on the morning of the night before.

Troubles with reality? Reality is overrated in my opinion.

Yahyah, for what it is worth, I think it will be a very narrow 'No' vote (I won't use the word "victory"); but, because of the way the campaign has been conducted, we're all going to be losers - it is going to get very messy over the next few months.

PF, PK et al, sorry for not always responding. This whole thing is really getting me down, watching people who should be cooperating against the common Tory foe tear great lumps out of each other; I've forsworn Twitter for the next week or so, to prevent me saying things I may later regret. Friendships are important, but I think a lot will be lost over these issues.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Troubles with reality? Reality is overrated in my opinion.

Yahyah, for what it is worth, I think it will be a very narrow 'No' vote (I won't use the word "victory"); but, because of the way the campaign has been conducted, we're all going to be losers - it is going to get very messy over the next few months.

PF, PK et al, sorry for not always responding. This whole thing is really getting me down, watching people who should be cooperating against the common Tory foe tear great lumps out of each other; I've forsworn Twitter for the next week or so, to prevent me saying things I may later regret. Friendships are important, but I think a lot will be lost over these issues.

I fear that too, reports of ''No'' campaign stalls being turned over in the Borders this morning, English being told to ''eff off back to where you came from'' how much truth in it remains to be seen, but the guy posting the tweets is union official from the north of England so I am reasonable confident they are accurate.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote: This whole thing is really getting me down, watching people who should be cooperating against the common Tory foe tear great lumps out of each other; I've forsworn Twitter for the next week or so, to prevent me saying things I may later regret. Friendships are important, but I think a lot will be lost over these issues.

That's exactly how I feel. I posted two posts on here setting out my opinion on independence & since then I have been ignored on here, which upset me more than it probably should have.

I'm dreading a Yes vote but more than that I'm dreading the recriminations that will follow & the lost friendships built up over years. Whenever I think about it I get all emotional & tearful. I loathe the division of our country being enacted by that fat frog-faced fucker & his smarmy cohort !

@All

Thanks for the acknowledgment - it means a lot. I won't be posting much between now & next Friday in a desperate bid not to get involved in any kind of spat with a Yes campaigner

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

PorFavor wrote:

yahyah wrote:I acknowledge you PK & PF


Anyone else care to predict next week's outcome ?
No prize for the nearest prediction other than a feeling of satisfaction.
If I remember I'll paste them all in one post next Friday as some people have already posted their predictions in the Pub thread.

Will be glad when it is all over, you get the feeling things are teetering on the edge of something nasty happening. Makes a general election campaign seem almost civilised.

Hello!

I think it will be a "No" - by a respectable, but not enormous, margin. The gap, I fear, will not be large enough to prevent outbreaks of what will be presented as justifiable ill-feeling, and various accusations of this, that, and the other.

Although I have been known to be wrong!

I think, but hope not that there will be a considerable amount of bad feeling, there's a sizeable amount of people from both sides whose life's have been consumed by this referendum for the last two years, working daily for it, if it's a ''No'' how long can the independence issue be put to bed, at least 15 years in my opinion, you cannot have this dragged up every decade?

I agree. Some of the bad feeling is inevitable with a subject people care about, but lots on either side has been gratuitously unpleasant.

One inevitably sees offence more from the other side, but I've not all liked the idea that we're all Tories. We aren't, least of all in "London". The Coalition was formed by the Lib Dems conning people- Scotland has more than its share of Lib Dem MPs. Tories haven't won since 1992, and England more than anywhere is trending against them.

PorFavor wrote:@ohsocynical (and others)

I do appreciate the night nights, by the way. I always catch up on the morning of the night before.

Edited to add

Er - the morning after the night before, I mean. I'm not yet a Time Lord.

pk1 wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote: This whole thing is really getting me down, watching people who should be cooperating against the common Tory foe tear great lumps out of each other; I've forsworn Twitter for the next week or so, to prevent me saying things I may later regret. Friendships are important, but I think a lot will be lost over these issues.

That's exactly how I feel. I posted two posts on here setting out my opinion on independence & since then I have been ignored on here, which upset me more than it probably should have.

I'm dreading a Yes vote but more than that I'm dreading the recriminations that will follow & the lost friendships built up over years. Whenever I think about it I get all emotional & tearful. I loathe the division of our country being enacted by that fat frog-faced fucker & his smarmy cohort !

@All

Thanks for the acknowledgment - it means a lot. I won't be posting much between now & next Friday in a desperate bid not to get involved in any kind of spat with a Yes campaigner

I think most posters on here are in line with your thinking PK.

Even Temulkar who is a Green, [& who some of us have had spats with over criticism of Labour]
is a supporter for keeping together. I mention that because some of the cybernats try and make out if you are a real socialist you should support Yes.

I've never liked nationalism, and am very mistrustful of its incarnations be they right wing or left.
Or faux left wing like the SNP, they'd have been tacking to the right if Scotland were that way inclined.

Can see why you feel emotional though. Have another hug

Whoops - I've quoted myself, rather than editing myself.

Hello all,I'm so glad of this site ,it's getting dead nasty out there.

JustMom wrote:Hello all,I'm so glad of this site ,it's getting dead nasty out there.

Hi JustMom.

Where have you been dipping your toes into the Indy debate ?

Mainly in the guardian,i used ti love reading all the comments after each article,but I have leave now after a couple of comments my blood pressure goes through the roof.

Lookie, lookie here, Rupert Murdoch tells STV the Scottish Sun is considering endorsing a ''Yes'' vote, if that doesn't seal it for no nothing will!

JustMom wrote:Hello all,I'm so glad of this site ,it's getting dead nasty out there.

Welcome.

One of the frothers on Cif is claiming it's a forgone conclusion that Yes will win because the Security Services will tamper with the votes.

There seem to be more tin foil hatters amongst the Yes supporters than on the David Icke site.

This mornings ''Week at Westminster'' rather good, Steve Richards and Damian McBride discussing the return of Gordon Brown.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006qjfq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah wrote:One of the frothers on Cif is claiming it's a forgone conclusion that Yes will win because the Security Services will tamper with the votes.

There seem to be more tin foil hatters amongst the Yes supporters than on the David Icke site.

Hah! Someone suggested a fortnight ago that MI5 was working against the ''Yessers''

Isn't it sweet that for all the ''Westminster elite'' and ''London centric'' jibes Salmond is prepared to flirt and play footsie with the biggest snake of all, Rupert Murdoch..

PorFavor wrote:@ohsocynical (and others)

I do appreciate the night nights, by the way. I always catch up on the morning of the night before.

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

yahyah wrote:One of the frothers on Cif is claiming it's a forgone conclusion that Yes will win because the Security Services will tamper with the votes.

There seem to be more tin foil hatters amongst the Yes supporters than on the David Icke site.

Hah! Someone suggested a fortnight ago that MI5 was working against the ''Yessers''

Which despite Murdoch's squeaky clean reputation [insert fingers down throat smiley here] makes you wonder what sort of deals have been agreed on over the port and cigars....

@pk. @yahyah, @pf et al. I don't post a lot, but rest assured I do read everything and I am grateful for all your contributions to the forum.

Big business, neo-liberal, English nationalist establishment continue their attack on brave Scotland.

In the shape of, er, Paul Krugman:

Simon Wren-Lewis says more clearly what I’ve been trying to get at with regard to the economics of Scottish independence. It would be one thing to make the sober case that independence is worth it despite the economic costs and risks; but the SNP has been claiming that there are no costs and risks, which is just wrong.

As he says, the obvious parallel is the push for the euro; in pursuit of the political vision of European unity, leaders waved away the obvious economic problems. I don’t know how many times I encountered arguments along the lines of “You Americans are only raising these objections because you don’t want a competitor to the dollar”, which wasn’t the point at all. And sure enough, the euro has turned into one of the great economic disasters of history, dealing a devastating blow to the very cause of European unity it was supposed to serve.

It so happens that some of the economic issues involving Scottish independence are the same: euro enthusiasts insisted that there would be no problem in creating a unified currency without a unified government, the SNP is insisting that there is no problem with maintaining a unified currency while breaking up the United Kingdom. But there is even less excuse this time around, since we have the euro experience to enlighten us.

If Scottish voters won’t support independence unless they can keep the pound, then a Yes vote next week will have been won on false pretenses. Don’t go there!

refitman wrote:@pk. @yahyah, @pf et al. I don't post a lot, but rest assured I do read everything and I am grateful for all your contributions to the forum.

& thanks to you Dan for getting us here onto the new site.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Big business, neo-liberal, English nationalist establishment continue their attack on brave Scotland.

In the shape of, er, Paul Krugman:

Simon Wren-Lewis says more clearly what I’ve been trying to get at with regard to the economics of Scottish independence. It would be one thing to make the sober case that independence is worth it despite the economic costs and risks; but the SNP has been claiming that there are no costs and risks, which is just wrong.

As he says, the obvious parallel is the push for the euro; in pursuit of the political vision of European unity, leaders waved away the obvious economic problems. I don’t know how many times I encountered arguments along the lines of “You Americans are only raising these objections because you don’t want a competitor to the dollar”, which wasn’t the point at all. And sure enough, the euro has turned into one of the great economic disasters of history, dealing a devastating blow to the very cause of European unity it was supposed to serve.

It so happens that some of the economic issues involving Scottish independence are the same: euro enthusiasts insisted that there would be no problem in creating a unified currency without a unified government, the SNP is insisting that there is no problem with maintaining a unified currency while breaking up the United Kingdom. But there is even less excuse this time around, since we have the euro experience to enlighten us.

If Scottish voters won’t support independence unless they can keep the pound, then a Yes vote next week will have been won on false pretenses. Don’t go there!

Don't you mean the diminutive, bearded, softly spoken American, wow, London is really throwing the kitchen sink at Scotland.

Salmond describes Murdoch as ''one of the most remarkable men of recent generations''

Aye, that's one way of describing him.

To be truthful I'm sick of Scotland, sick of lying crooked MPs, and sick of sycophantic, biased presenters.
Disturbing to know there was an Orange Protestant Order march in Edinburgh today...Religious differences stirred up is all that's needed, but I shan't have much sympathy with any of them if it turns even nastier than it already is.

To think we were looking forward to another political occasion we could discuss in the interim before the GE.

If it is a No vote I've already seen more than a few Yes voters saying it will be an illegitimate result because of all the "bullying and biased media".

ohsocynical wrote:To be truthful I'm sick of Scotland, sick of lying crooked MPs, and sick of sycophantic, biased presenters.
Disturbing to know there was an Orange Protestant Order march in Edinburgh today...Religious differences stirred up is all that's needed, but I shan't have much sympathy with any of them if it turns even nastier than it already is.

To think we were looking forward to another political occasion we could discuss in the interim before the GE.

Nationalism is never pleasant to watch as an observer.

Salmond says ''I’m afraid that Mr Cameron and his Tory friends in Downing Street, and their Labour frontmen in Scotland, are going to get their comeuppance next Thursday, because Scotland is going to go for yes in very substantial proportions.''


That's it. Have had enough of that little squirt.

If Salmond manages to con enough people to follow him to a Yes vote then I shall be spending my money on goods and services that are not Scottish.

I've really enjoyed reading today's posts, they seem so sane compared with elsewhere! My take on the whole Scottish issue is that it's another hideous Tory divide and rule mess, now way out of hand. I've got Scots friends living on both sides of the border, in real space and the cyber variety. Many of them have close family on one side or t'other. They have some questions that vex them, on things from, "will I be able to visit our mum without a passport if we don't stay in the EU" to 'who's going to admit to voting no, every better together hoarding for miles has been defaced' to 'will I have to call my self English, Scottish even though I'm not'. There's been masses of hot air but very little real substance to some of the real constitutional questions that surround it all. Some very passionately held views on freedom from Westminster, but all the real nitty gritty obscured, for Scotland and the rest of Britain.

Part of me is connected to an even smaller place than Britain where a minority wanted to go the independence route, it was not helpful, it seems to generate the nationalism that breeds intolerance. I like our hotchpotch mix of cultures, nations, ethnicities, so even though I have sympathy for those who wish for freedom from our current dreadful rule from London, I think what they are yearning for could be achieved in other ways, with a lot less damage.

Perhaps 'no' voters are less shouty than the nats. I'm hoping so, because a 'yes' vote couldn't come at a worse time. I don't know what it will do to Scotland though. Worrying.

It seems like we are all holding our breath and waiting, for the coming week to be over, for the election in May to be over, to see what the final tally of Tory damage is going to be, to see whether we get the change we need, to see whether things will improve. I haven't felt much like posting, I put my mark to what campaigns strike me as being of merit, but in a way it feels to me like nearly everything that can be said has been. Still I love to come here, and do daily, so thank you, all the stalwarts who still can be funny, illuminating, and knowledgeable about daily events.

It seems like strange times indeed when an very old friend indeed is pondering the fact that she may no longer have any rights in the place she has always identified as home. Years ago I discussed something similar with a friend who I always believed had her roots in Lahore. She said, oh no, that's just where we went before coming here, home was India, always India. I'm not sure how I would feel about being expected to be English rather than British. I guess there's a lot of us mixed people wondering how we fit into a post UK world.

yahyah wrote:Salmond says ''I’m afraid that Mr Cameron and his Tory friends in Downing Street, and their Labour frontmen in Scotland, are going to get their comeuppance next Thursday, because Scotland is going to go for yes in very substantial proportions.''


That's it. Have had enough of that little squirt.

If Salmond manages to con enough people to follow him to a Yes vote then I shall be spending my money on goods and services that are not Scottish.

Am I imagining this, or do quite a lot of Scottish goods have tartan on them?

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Big business, neo-liberal, English nationalist establishment continue their attack on brave Scotland.

In the shape of, er, Paul Krugman:

Simon Wren-Lewis says more clearly what I’ve been trying to get at with regard to the economics of Scottish independence. It would be one thing to make the sober case that independence is worth it despite the economic costs and risks; but the SNP has been claiming that there are no costs and risks, which is just wrong.

As he says, the obvious parallel is the push for the euro; in pursuit of the political vision of European unity, leaders waved away the obvious economic problems. I don’t know how many times I encountered arguments along the lines of “You Americans are only raising these objections because you don’t want a competitor to the dollar”, which wasn’t the point at all. And sure enough, the euro has turned into one of the great economic disasters of history, dealing a devastating blow to the very cause of European unity it was supposed to serve.

It so happens that some of the economic issues involving Scottish independence are the same: euro enthusiasts insisted that there would be no problem in creating a unified currency without a unified government, the SNP is insisting that there is no problem with maintaining a unified currency while breaking up the United Kingdom. But there is even less excuse this time around, since we have the euro experience to enlighten us.

If Scottish voters won’t support independence unless they can keep the pound, then a Yes vote next week will have been won on false pretenses. Don’t go there!

Don't you mean the diminutive, bearded, softly spoken American, wow, London is really throwing the kitchen sink at Scotland.

Is Krugman small, or are you muddling him up with Robert Reich?

Anyway, stuck up East Coast Californian Liberal.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

yahyah wrote:Salmond says ''I’m afraid that Mr Cameron and his Tory friends in Downing Street, and their Labour frontmen in Scotland, are going to get their comeuppance next Thursday, because Scotland is going to go for yes in very substantial proportions.''


That's it. Have had enough of that little squirt.

If Salmond manages to con enough people to follow him to a Yes vote then I shall be spending my money on goods and services that are not Scottish.

Am I imagining this, or do quite a lot of Scottish goods have tartan on them?

I hope so, it'll make them easier to identify.

& the English haters need to recognise that there are a lot more customers in the UK who may feel the same way. Feels like the SNP have been making it personal.
Even my old man, not a hot head like me, feels the same way about where to spend our cash.
We need to bolster the UK economy, not a foreign one.

Labour stretches lead over Tories to eight points in latest poll
Support rises to 37% compared with 29% for the Tories, which would give Labour an overall majority at general election

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... erver-poll

There's only one good thing might come from it. Labour's profile has been raised by Darling and Brown in particular, in the English and Welsh part of the UK, which is showing in the above poll.

I've noticed all along that the Conservatives and LibDems seemed to have kept a low profile and left most of the electioneering for the No Vote to Labour.

Another silly judgement on their part. And long may the coalition continue to make them.