Tuesday 29th September 2015

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:09 pm

citizenJA wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:"He says the commentariat do not understand the new politics. They report disagreements as splits, and agreement and compromise as concessions and capitulation.

This is just grown-up politics, he says."

Hallelujah!
Yes!
Good, I was working on grown up politics just before you posted.
I am assuming you're quoting from Corbyn.
Apologies if I'm mistaken.
Sounds wonderful whoever said it.

Quoting what AS quoted JC as saying! And yes, it's a good turn of phrase.

The chances of the BBC concentrating on Trident and Syria vote aspects however...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:10 pm

These attacks on the media might even cause hacks to have a real go at him. Oh........

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:23 pm

That was a refreshing change.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:26 pm

Well !!! I'd say he has marked out the boundaries...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:26 pm

That twat running his speech down. It impressed me....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:27 pm

We don't have to take it....A good slogan.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:34 pm

Referring to snidey c*nt Lance Price Ohso ? "Totally dreadful, head in the sand"

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 3:51 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Referring to snidey c*nt Lance Price Ohso ? "Totally dreadful, head in the sand"

Is that his name? I had to turn off when he started in. What a spiteful little snot...

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:04 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:Referring to snidey c*nt Lance Price Ohso ? "Totally dreadful, head in the sand"
Is that his name? I had to turn off when he started in. What a spiteful little snot...

He was a BBC hack who became special adviser and director of communications to Blair. Totally unbalanced opinion & analysis from BBCDP, no one to offer a counter view.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:04 pm

Rail "massive underinvestment" latest.

But I'm sure Corbyn's going to do better and deliver lower fares as well, all by renationalizing.

I said before I don't think he's intending to fight a general election. Provided he does some of the hard costing first, that could work very well. I fear though that he'll leave some poor sap having to do all that, and cop the usual "betrayal" bollocks.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:04 pm

Laura, you never disappoint.
"While his team would say its too early to have a full narrative in place, many of the Parliamentary Labour Party believe he's struggling to show how he's going to get to that place, she says"

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:09 pm

Chris Mason ‏@ChrisMasonBBC 34 mins34 minutes ago

From BBC Monitoring: In an unprecedented move, Iran's state-owned TV has broadcast live parts of Jeremy Corbyn's speech #lab15

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:10 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09 ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But many journalists became irate with the focus of criticism on them, posting indignant messages on social media about Corbyn's comments.

Aw Diddum's! Who's got a face like a smacked botty then?

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:13 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Chris Mason ‏@ChrisMasonBBC 34 mins34 minutes ago

From BBC Monitoring: In an unprecedented move, Iran's state-owned TV has broadcast live parts of Jeremy Corbyn's speech #lab15

Meaning - see we told you he was a [insert relevant words here]

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:15 pm

Swarthlander wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Chris Mason ‏@ChrisMasonBBC 34 mins34 minutes ago

From BBC Monitoring: In an unprecedented move, Iran's state-owned TV has broadcast live parts of Jeremy Corbyn's speech #lab15
Meaning - see we told you he was a [insert relevant words here]

He did spend too much time arsing about on Press TV though.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:18 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Chris Mason ‏@ChrisMasonBBC 34 mins34 minutes ago

From BBC Monitoring: In an unprecedented move, Iran's state-owned TV has broadcast live parts of Jeremy Corbyn's speech #lab15

I thought it was a serious tweet until I saw Swarthlander's post.

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:22 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Swarthlander wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Chris Mason ‏@ChrisMasonBBC 34 mins34 minutes ago

From BBC Monitoring: In an unprecedented move, Iran's state-owned TV has broadcast live parts of Jeremy Corbyn's speech #lab15
Meaning - see we told you he was a [insert relevant words here]
He did spend too much time arsing about on Press TV though.

Maybe. Or maybe he just wasn't plastic enough for Newsnight or QT.

It would be nice if this is the end of plastic politics and plastic Labour politicians...

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:23 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Rail "massive underinvestment" latest.

But I'm sure Corbyn's going to do better and deliver lower fares as well, all by renationalizing.

I said before I don't think he's intending to fight a general election. Provided he does some of the hard costing first, that could work very well. I fear though that he'll leave some poor sap having to do all that, and cop the usual "betrayal" bollocks.

Corbyn (or Ed Miliband for that matter) don't leave messes to clean up.
Labour don't make a mess.
Labour fixes what's been messed up.
Coffee mug stencil art project for me tonight.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 4:24 pm

Swarthlander wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Swarthlander wrote: Meaning - see we told you he was a [insert relevant words here]
He did spend too much time arsing about on Press TV though.
Maybe. Or maybe he just wasn't plastic enough for Newsnight or QT.

It would be nice if this is the end of plastic politics and plastic Labour politicians...

Ken Livingstone, who I rate really highly, and whose defeat in 2008 was as bad as 2015, used to be on Press TV too much as well.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:18 pm

Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 35 mins35 minutes ago

Watch and read Jeremy Corbyn's full Labour conference speech here

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/je ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:32 pm

I see Gove drew the short straw for the "OK, let's get the soundbite out of the way then"

Labour have confirmed that they are a threat to our national security, our economic security and to the security of every family in Britain.

Utterly pitiful.

If I was at conference I'd get all of these and stick them up on a presentation one by one to show their contempt for people's intelligence.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:42 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
yahyah wrote:I like him too. It isn't his fault he was born into a middle class family and called Tristram - something some people seem to find a no-no for a Labour politician,

But, and obviously the press may have hyped it to get at Corbyn, if he was involved with plotting anti-Corbyn 'resistance' then it is very disappointing.
But his recent utterances seem placatory, hope he lives up to them.
I don't have a problem with Hunt's social class or his name - mostly that he was such an appalling opposite to Michael Gove.

He wasn't appalling.

He could legitimately say he had a core of popular and practical policies that Miliband didn't really feature in the broader campaign.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:42 pm

Over transference Tory bollox syndrome,remove "security" from"social"and misplace regardless of sense and/or reversal of actuality.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:43 pm

"Security" is going to be an interesting word if they revive Beechcroft.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:50 pm

Norman Smith in faint praise shocker. Since when was housing a Conference only interest?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:52 pm

Just watched the speech.

Great, taking the fight to the Tories on so many levels.

He's got the intellect, the fire, the leadership qualities, the humanity, the resilience and the humour to take us into 2020 and win.

Anyone who wants him to fail should consider whether they really are a Labour supporter.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:55 pm

yahyah wrote:Just watched the speech.

Great, taking the fight to the Tories.

He's got the intellect, the fire, the leadership qualities, the humanity to take us into 2020 and win.

Anyone who wants him to fail should consider whether they really are a Labour supporter.

Indeed. He can't be the leader of choice for all, but if it's him or Cameron / Osborne....

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 5:57 pm

& I don't care what Dan Hodges or the bitter moderates think.

In the spirit of what Corbyn said about cleaning up politics and no abuse I won't say **** *** to the naysayers.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:00 pm

Great music track after his ovation too...

Working on a building of love by Chairman of the Board.

[youtube]urp6M6sXrII[/youtube]

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:01 pm

yahyah wrote:Just watched the speech.

Great, taking the fight to the Tories on so many levels.

He's got the intellect, the fire, the leadership qualities, the humanity, the resilience and the humour to take us into 2020 and win.

Anyone who wants him to fail should consider whether they really are a Labour supporter.

Brown had an intellect way superior to Corbyn's. See Simon Wren-Lewis (one of Corbyn's wise men). No politician has sought out and heeded expert economic advice more than Brown.

Corbyn's exaggerated the problems with Brown's performance (Brown didn't bring us to "the edge of the abyss") and given him virtually no credit for the performance of the economy.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:04 pm

Did you even bother to watch it Tubby, honestly ?

It is about more than intellect, Brown could have been God of the Intellectual Universe but he couldn't fire people up, couldn't really put forward a vision. I was a Brown fan until he became PM.
No one can fault some of his interventions after the crash.

Live in the here and now. Corbyn will lead the party successfully.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:07 pm

Good night all.

I just feel so frustrated, so will not hang around to bicker and deal with other's negativity.

It feels like a good day for our democracy, and for those who need a party clearly fighting for them.
Maybe not everyone agrees.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:11 pm

Agree about intellect being overrated for leaders, just thought it an odd thing to pick up with Corbyn. I don't think he's even thought of himself as a particularly intellectual politician, apart from on foreign policy maybe. I don't find his performance on stuff I know about particularly deeply thought out.

But I think he's the right person for the job now, which I didn't before, and I give him credit for that.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:12 pm

Corbyn did well today and he has avoided most of the embarrassments that certain people, with total confidence, predicted would befall him if he won the leadership.

That is at least enough to be going on with.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:12 pm

yahyah wrote:Good night all.

I just feel so frustrated, so will not hang around to bicker and deal with other's negativity.

It feels like a good day for our democracy, and for those who need a party clearly fighting for them.
Maybe not everyone agrees.

Oh come on.

I really don't get that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:15 pm

Neutral statement

If so subsceptible to friendly fire,knackered under oppositional.He himself,welcomed those who may not happen to agree with his view to enjoin to work out a successful way to fight the enemy.Surely,part of that is pointing out weaknesses in his argument.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:16 pm

Constructive criticism/reality.That is how I view it.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:23 pm

I didn't watch it but read enough to get the gist.

Given that we're over four years away from the election, I'm relaxed about the "only speaking to his party" question - there's plenty of time for them to take it to voters. He needs to convince the party first.

Gove trotting out the party line makes me think that they really don't know how to counter him yet - that party line looks awfully like what Corbyn was complaining about and they should use that to reinforce the "honest politics" message.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:24 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Corbyn did well today and he has avoided most of the embarrassments that certain people, with total confidence, predicted would befall him if he won the leadership.

That is at least enough to be going on with.

My objection to him was that government's a lot harder than he thinks.

When you basically "run against the party", as he did, albeit in a very genial way, you store up problems.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:28 pm

http://blog.shelter.org.uk/2015/09/we-c ... ociations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An open letter to the National Housing Federation from Shelter regarding "Right to Buy"

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:35 pm

Well. I watched all of his speech.

My impression. He was clearly laying his pitch out. What and who he is, what he believes in and what he expects of the Labour Party.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:39 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 35 mins35 minutes ago

Watch and read Jeremy Corbyn's full Labour conference speech here

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/je ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There’s an investment crisis.

Britain at the bottom of the international league on investment.

Just below Madagascar and just above El Salvador.

Madagascar is a classic example of the short-sightedness of failing to invest. Failure to maintain and develop the road infrastructure left by the French has lead their economy to virtually collapse. This is a shocking statistic. How does Osborne hope to get away with such poor economic management?

I rather like the following extract as well. It demonstrates the benefits of a long memory and ties in directly to the attitude towards the arms industry of our current PM. A reminder of the long tradition of hawking arms to dodgy regimes by our Tory leaders is well overdue.

And on foreign policy we need to learn the lessons of the recent past.

It didn’t help our national security that, at the same time I was protesting outside the Iraqi Embassy about Saddam Hussein’s brutality, Tory ministers were secretly conniving with illegal arms sales to his regime.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:44 pm

Damian McBride @DPMcBride

All you ever want is the speech reported straight. The nightmare is an unforeseen external fuckarama, and plagiarism is as bad as it gets.
6:16 PM - 29 Sep 2015 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Then, a few minutes later:

Damian McBride @DPMcBride

If that's right @wifimarxist, then phew, and that might kill it. The fact it wasn't used by Ed M isn't great but could be made a positive.
6:21 PM - 29 Sep 2015 (Politics Live, Guardian)

All Damian O'Bride[sic] had to do was check the latest news on this story before firing off his first effort. (The story was on the Guardian website at least as early (in fact, earlier) as 6.06pm, for God's sake.)

I thought he was supposed to be some sort of wiseacres in this area.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:46 pm

: pig 2.jpg (75.48 KiB) Viewed 6802 times

Sorry. Couldn't resist. Photoshopped of course, because I think that's Putin behind Cameron and Obama.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:46 pm

Hang on.

Is he saying Britain's investing less than Greece?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:49 pm

There's also a very simple, though party political, response on investment.

Labour pre 2001 had IIRC the lowest public investment of any government. Sure, they improved considerably on that later and in 2009 had the most investment since 1975. But that very austere first Labour term was a bit of a hostage to fortune as far as investment is concerned.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 6:51 pm

yahyah wrote:Great music track after his ovation too...

Working on a building of love by Chairman of the Board.

[youtube]urp6M6sXrII[/youtube]

Love it! Remember dancing to that one at various Northern Soul nights,
Thanks for the memories, yahyah

Post by **refitman** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 7:00 pm

For those who missed it (like me), here is Corbyn's speech:

[youtube]qHGEnYChJYM[/youtube]
" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 7:02 pm

Patrick Wintour
✔
@patrickwintour

Jeremy Corbyn's key speech line was "You dont have to take what you are given", but it emerges you can, if it works as a line in a speech.
6:30 PM - 29 Sep 2015 (Politics Live, Guardian)

No. It doesn't make any sense to me, either.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 29 Sep, 2015 7:06 pm

: portugal.jpg (57.18 KiB) Viewed 9173 times

In Portugal, binmen were on strike, so people left their rubbish outside the banks.