Saturday 3rd October & Sunday 4th October 2015

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:08 pm

Farewell,Denis Healey.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:16 pm

Here he is in 1986 talking about the bombing of Libya.

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:17 pm

HindleA wrote:Farewell,Denis Healey.

Another one of the old guard gone...I remember the politicians from that era more than I do the lot we have now.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:22 pm

Another old name from the past, Illtyd Harrington, also died this week.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:24 pm

Had hoped, and actually almost expected, that he would make it to his century

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:25 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Here he is in 1986 talking about the bombing of Libya.

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I've just been listening.

Is it me or are the MPs [and it sounds as if there are plenty of them in the chamber] far quieter and more respectful than the bear garden we're forced to see and listen to now?

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:30 pm

I thought that too Ohso, not much hectoring or barracking going on. A lot of laughter from the Labour benches but none of the childish guffaws or trying to shout over whoever was speaking as is the way now.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:31 pm

Just reading his Wiki entry.

''Four Labour MPs who defected to the SDP in early 1981 said they voted against Healey to land the Labour Party with an unelectable left-wing leader and so help their newly established party.[21]''

Would that have included Sellout Shirley ? She of the oh-so-high principles ?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:33 pm

She wasn't in the HoC at the time.

At least one then Labour but soon to be SDP MP (the late Neville Sandelson) more or less admitted to doing that, and there are a few others who are strong suspects.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:47 pm

Cllr Kevin Peel ‏@kevpeel 17 mins17 minutes ago

Dennis Healey:
"Mrs Thatcher tells us she has given the French President a piece of her mind..not a gift I'd receive with alacrity."

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:48 pm

Thanks Anatoly. I lived through it, should be able to remember it but can't.

Interesting to see the ages of the leadership contenders in 1980.
Healey 63, Foot 67, Shore 56, Silkin 57.

Apart from Corbyn at 66, this year's contenders were all well under 50.
Cooper 47, Kendall 44, Burnham 46.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:49 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:I thought that too Ohso, not much hectoring or barracking going on. A lot of laughter from the Labour benches but none of the childish guffaws or trying to shout over whoever was speaking as is the way now.

So our generation was more civilised....Thought so

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:51 pm

yahyah wrote:Thanks Anatoly. I lived through it, should be able to remember it but can't.

Interesting to see the ages of the leadership contenders in 1980.
Healey 63, Foot 67, Shore 56, Silkin 57.

Apart from Corbyn at 66, this year's contenders were all well under 50.
Cooper 47, Kendall 44, Burnham 46.

Dare say this'll make me unpopular, but the youngsters had a chance and blew it...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:53 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:She wasn't in the HoC at the time.

At least one then Labour but soon to be SDP MP (the late Neville Sandelson) more or less admitted to doing that, and there are a few others who are strong suspects.

I can remember her on political programmes though giving us the benefit of her wisdom...Who could have foreseen much further into the future, her part in the breakup of the NHS...No-one would have believed it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:56 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:I thought that too Ohso, not much hectoring or barracking going on. A lot of laughter from the Labour benches but none of the childish guffaws or trying to shout over whoever was speaking as is the way now.

The silence when he was speaking seriously is almost deafening, and no calls from the speaker for quiet after a joke.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 4:58 pm

Denis Healey once said he wanted to do for economic forecasters what the Boston strangler had done for door-to-door salesmen.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:01 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Denis Healey once said he wanted to do for economic forecasters what the Boston strangler had done for door-to-door salesmen.

A touch controversial. Would be a Twitter storm over such a comment now.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:10 pm

Worth a watch...

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:23 pm

Liz McInnes ‏@LizMcInnesMP 8 mins8 minutes ago North West, England

RIP Denis Healey "Nothing is more dangerous than the politician who uses politics as a surrogate for an unsatisfactory personal life."

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:25 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Worth a watch...

1945 revisited
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The fridge with vaccines clip reminded me of the first GP practice I worked at.
We had a little fridge like that to store vaccines, urine & stool samples if they missed that day's collection, and our sandwiches and milk for tea & coffee.

When we had a practice inspection the milk and food was taken out and put in a cupboard for the duration.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:28 pm

yahyah wrote:I don't share your awe of her 'beauty' JA.
To me all that doe eyed stuff is a put up job, as is the embarrassing gawping at her husband, treating him as if he had found a cure for cancer in kittens.

I completely understand.
Okay, I know I said I wouldn't mention it again but just to clarify I'll add it here.
I completely understand what you mean because part of my fascination of her beauty puzzles me.
'Why do I think this woman beautiful?'
I don't have an answer.
There now, that's the end.

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:29 pm

RIP Denis Healey, a good man and one I was priviledged to exchange courtesies and coinage with in my early teens on the milk round in Coleford, RFOD,....a joyous man, a dying breed of politician.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:29 pm

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Haven't found anything on Shirley yet. This one must have hurt though!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:33 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Worth a watch...

1945 revisited

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Cameron's face when asked by Paxman about a 'pink pussy' is a little worrying in light of PigGate.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:35 pm

Mark Urban ‏@MarkUrban01 6m6 minutes ago
Peter Snow told me #DenisHealey groped his leg under the desk throughout one live #Newsnight TV interview, trying to make him laugh - RIP

How different the times must have been then ... can't imagine a Labour politician having that kind of fun with the media now - can you?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:37 pm

80,000 expected to join host of names at People's Assembly Week of Action at Manchester's Tory conference

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Yep. Manchester will be buzzing for the next bit.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:37 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there

We should do an SNP, like when they got into a lather that the leader of Scottish Labour had campaigned "in a Yes city", so had to expect a load of arseholery.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:43 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there
We should do an SNP, like when they got into a lather that the leader of Scottish Labour had campaigned "in a Yes city", so had to expect a load of arseholery.

Well I certainly think we should have someone organising crowds of people in pig masks to turn up at every possible opportunity. Is that what you mean by arseholery? (Excellent word btw - something very satisfactory about it).

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:43 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there

My husband is Mancunian.
Tomorrow's trip with of like-minded people will find us persuading Tories to stop being Tories.
Please reconsider your Tory party affiliation, don't go UKIP or LibDem either, thanks.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:44 pm

Nice pic of him in the Guardian.

Funny to think I fell out with my best friend in 1980, because she wanted Michael Foot as leader and I wanted Healey.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:45 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there
My husband is Mancunian.
Tomorrow's trip with of like-minded people will find us persuading Tories to stop being Tories.
Please reconsider your Tory party affiliation, don't go UKIP or LibDem either, thanks.

You are going to the rally JA ?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:48 pm

Just where do they get off ....?

BBC Politics ‏@BBCPolitics 4h4 hours ago
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I shouldn't be surprised by how much more repressive and anti civil rights this government is becoming each day ... but I am staggered by this. Surely it's up to me whether I buy something from a particular place or not? Or are they planning to remove all place of origin labelling so I have no information on which to base my choice?

Editing to add: Oh I see it's left wing councils they want to stop being able to exercise such discretion ... sheesh. I'm still staggered.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 5:58 pm

Tory conference slogan is Security, Stability, Opportunity.

They forgot Arseholery.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:02 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Thanks Anatoly. I lived through it, should be able to remember it but can't.

Interesting to see the ages of the leadership contenders in 1980.
Healey 63, Foot 67, Shore 56, Silkin 57.

Apart from Corbyn at 66, this year's contenders were all well under 50.
Cooper 47, Kendall 44, Burnham 46.
Dare say this'll make me unpopular, but the youngsters had a chance and blew it...

They're still learning.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Tory conference slogan is Security, Stability, Opportunity.

They forgot Arseholery.

ASSO
Tory Party Bivouac Manchester 2015

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:13 pm

yahyah wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there
My husband is Mancunian.
Tomorrow's trip with of like-minded people will find us persuading Tories to stop being Tories.
Please reconsider your Tory party affiliation, don't go UKIP or LibDem either, thanks.

You are going to the rally JA ?

No, Mr. citizen is though.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:14 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:i'm convinced that the Tory decision to meet in Manchester is a bit of trolling, just because Labour have 96 out of 96 councillors there
We should do an SNP, like when they got into a lather that the leader of Scottish Labour had campaigned "in a Yes city", so had to expect a load of arseholery.
Well I certainly think we should have someone organising crowds of people in pig masks to turn up at every possible opportunity. Is that what you mean by arseholery? (Excellent word btw - something very satisfactory about it).

Evidently, somewhere on the internet, you can print out a cut out pig mask especially for the occasion. JC wants politeness and no personal abuse, but I reckon pig snouts and oinking will be much in evidence tomorrow. It's just too good to resist.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:19 pm

I'm having a bit of trouble emulating Corbyn.

I got taken to task elsewhere for linking the story about the SNP MP and the allegations about mortgages and cash payments.

Apparently we should not be highlighting SNP embarrassments and act in the spirit of Corbyn's new solidarity politics. All for the cause of a progressive alliance. As if the SNP are going to quit their tribalism.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:19 pm

Night all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:21 pm

yahyah wrote:Night all.

Goodnight, yahyah

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:25 pm

yahyah wrote:I'm having a bit of trouble emulating Corbyn.

I got taken to task elsewhere for linking the story about the SNP MP and the allegations about mortgages and cash payments.

Apparently we should not be highlighting SNP embarrassments and act in the spirit of Corbyn's new solidarity politics. All for the cause of a progressive alliance. As if the SNP are going to quit their tribalism.

It's a very fine line...Hard not to trip over it with the opportunities some MPs give us.

And the press take some beating when it comes to innuendo, lies and just plain nastiness.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:28 pm

Tory sonsofbiscuits

Manchester Piccadilly AQI: Manchester Piccadilly Real-time Air Quality Index (AQI).
151
Unhealthy
Updated on Saturday 15:00
Temp: 12°C

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:29 pm

yahyah wrote:I'm having a bit of trouble emulating Corbyn.

I got taken to task elsewhere for linking the story about the SNP MP and the allegations about mortgages and cash payments.

Apparently we should not be highlighting SNP embarrassments and act in the spirit of Corbyn's new solidarity politics. All for the cause of a progressive alliance. As if the SNP are going to quit their tribalism.

I've recently stopped following a couple of Scots because their Tweets are spiteful and totally one sided. I can't be doing with it.
But I do like a good dose of mickey taking. Laughter is one of the best defences...Good for going on the offence too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:34 pm

yahyah wrote:I'm having a bit of trouble emulating Corbyn.

I got taken to task elsewhere for linking the story about the SNP MP and the allegations about mortgages and cash payments.

Apparently we should not be highlighting SNP embarrassments and act in the spirit of Corbyn's new solidarity politics. All for the cause of a progressive alliance. As if the SNP are going to quit their tribalism.

Interesting and it's good, though I completely understand your posting about the SNP.
Corbyn walks the line.
Does the difficult and asks others do the same.
It's hard, consensus-building.
Sorry for using that term, I just can't think of another at the moment.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:35 pm

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The People's Assembly have helpfully provided this downloadable pig mask for tomorrow's #TakeBackMCR protest

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:36 pm

Unhealthy
Everyone may begin to experience health effects; members of sensitive groups may experience more serious health effects

It's not much cleaner in Stoke.
Damn

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:38 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
pig mask.jpg

My spouse has informed me with great dignity he'll not partake of the pig mask.
It's probably more to do with being vegetarian than anything else.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:38 pm

And whatever the reading for London, it's the same for Bracknell.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:50 pm

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 03 Oct, 2015 6:57 pm