Re: Thursday 19th November 2015
Posted: Thu 19 Nov, 2015 12:50 pm
I think John Prescott has already called it ConAirtinybgoat wrote:Sleazyjet
I think John Prescott has already called it ConAirtinybgoat wrote:Sleazyjet
StephenDolan wrote:The flying pig
Far too classy for Dave.PorFavor wrote:Fokker?
Or there is\was something called a Fairey Swordfish. It would give him something to point at.
The Bald Eagle?yahyah wrote:The Loon ?
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(That's the bird of course, before anyone shouts 'disgusting' at me. _)
Can someone who's conversant with the staffing\rotas within the NHS suggest what these "contingency plans" might comprise of, please? The numbers don't seem to leave much leeway.Hunt says BMA strike vote "very disappointing"
Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, has described the decision of junior doctors to vote for strike action as “very disappointing”. He told Sky News:
This is very, very disappointing news today. We want to be able to promise NHS patients that they will get the same high-quality care every day of the week and study after study has shown that our mortality rates at weekends are too high. We’ve put forward a very fair offer for doctors which will see pay go up for three-quarters of junior doctors. We wanted to talk about this to them, but in the end they’ve chosen to strike so we will now have to put in place contingency plans to make sure that patients are safe over a very, very busy period for the NHS and we’ll be doing everything we can to make that happen.
I’ve taken the quote from PoliticsHome. (Politics Live, Guardian)
String Bags. My dad was in charge of loading the bombs on these during WW2.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Far too classy for Dave.PorFavor wrote:Fokker?
Or there is\was something called a Fairey Swordfish. It would give him something to point at.
The Booby?PorFavor wrote:The Bald Eagle?yahyah wrote:The Loon ?
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(That's the bird of course, before anyone shouts 'disgusting' at me. _)
Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h1 hour ago
Labour's counter revolutionaries would sacrifice Sadiq Khan to topple Corbyn. Me in @NewStatesman http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
... No wonder, when Jezza’s implacable opponents in Westminster are growing increasingly deranged. Aware that Corbyn must lose national elections if his support within the party is to be eroded, one moderate whispered that Blairite cohorts would be prepared to sacrifice Sadiq Khan at next May’s London mayoral contest if it would trigger a regime change.
Hoping the bus driver’s son is beaten by the Tory Zac Goldsmith is the latest counter-revolution by the dispossessed...
Yes. That's all we need - and it would really piss me off.rebeccariots2 wrote:Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h1 hour ago
Labour's counter revolutionaries would sacrifice Sadiq Khan to topple Corbyn. Me in @NewStatesman http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …... No wonder, when Jezza’s implacable opponents in Westminster are growing increasingly deranged. Aware that Corbyn must lose national elections if his support within the party is to be eroded, one moderate whispered that Blairite cohorts would be prepared to sacrifice Sadiq Khan at next May’s London mayoral contest if it would trigger a regime change.
Hoping the bus driver’s son is beaten by the Tory Zac Goldsmith is the latest counter-revolution by the dispossessed...
I seem to remember the first day of proposed strike action wasn't actually a full walkout, only days two and three proposed for December would be walkouts if Hunt refuses to talk. I'll have to check as it seems to me Hunt is trying to take advance credit for protecting patients from a strike that has been designed by the strikers to protect the patients - at least to begin with.PorFavor wrote:Can someone who's conversant with the staffing\rotas within the NHS suggest what these "contingency plans" might comprise of, please? The numbers don't seem to leave much leeway.Hunt says BMA strike vote "very disappointing"
Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, has described the decision of junior doctors to vote for strike action as “very disappointing”. He told Sky News:
This is very, very disappointing news today. We want to be able to promise NHS patients that they will get the same high-quality care every day of the week and study after study has shown that our mortality rates at weekends are too high. We’ve put forward a very fair offer for doctors which will see pay go up for three-quarters of junior doctors. We wanted to talk about this to them, but in the end they’ve chosen to strike so we will now have to put in place contingency plans to make sure that patients are safe over a very, very busy period for the NHS and we’ll be doing everything we can to make that happen.
I’ve taken the quote from PoliticsHome. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Joe Murphy @JoeMurphyLondon 3m3 minutes ago
Lynton Crosby's team is moving behind the Zac for Mayor campaign .... bring it on! http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 17661.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Perhaps his illness (he's in remission with lung cancer) made him reappraise his life and ponder why a well intentioned man like Corbyn gets the appalling treatment he does. One doesn't have to agree with JC to realise that that's very wrong. At any rate, his advice to the likes to Kuennsberg seems to have fallen on deaf ears.yahyah wrote:Blimey...didn't read the original interview because of the Sunday Times paywall.
''Over the weekend the BBC’s former political editor confessed — in an interview in the Sunday Times — that he had written to several BBC colleagues over concerns that the corporation’s political coverage is biased against Jeremy Corbyn. When asked by Lynn Barber whether he was ‘shocked’ by the way the BBC ‘rubbish Jeremy Corbyn’, Robinson replied ‘yes’:
‘Yes. Oddly, although I was off work, I did drop a note to a few people after his first weekend saying this is really interesting and we owe it to the audience to sound as if we’reinterested.’'
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Nick Robinson turning into one of the good guys ?
No wonder things feel so weird at the moment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/david-t ... 55636.htmlJeremy Corbyn has genuinely ushered in a new style of politics, one that I hankered for and one that I had hoped the Cameron administration could deliver. I sat there watching PMQ's as Cameron got started in opposition and cheered at the idea we would see an end to 'Punch and Judy politics'. I also got excited when the Conservatives recently announced they would be the workers party and party of the NHS. Then along came Corbyn.
This mild mannered man that I had never heard of before swept to a legitimate democratic victory to be leader of his party. There was no doubt that the Labour voters wanted him. In fact Britain seemed to want him. 251,000 people put their voice behind his.
Corbyn began to speak and I began to listen.
PMQs with questions from the public. Finally, less of the pre-written jokes and slagging off that we get from the 'no Punch and Judy' Tory front bench or the Miliband Mili-tants before.
Challenging China on Human Rights issues. Is that really considered a controversial thing to do?
Better conditions for paternity leave. Who doesn't want that?
A genuine sense of concern and humanity towards foreign people and those whose homes are now occupied by jihadists. Sounds pretty alright to me.
http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The Tory defector Mark Reckless, Ukip’s former MP, is planning a comeback. After losing his Rochester seat last May, he aims to become a member of the Welsh Assembly. The “fat arse”, as David Cameron affectionately called his former colleague, is tipped to lead the Purple Shirts’ top-up list in South-East Wales, where the aptly named Reckless was recently seen loitering with political intent. The corner is easy to reach from London on the M4 and, according to my informant, Ukip fears he would be an unelectable liability standing for a normal constituency seat.
Labour can't achieve anything without power. London mayor = power. As would winning the Welsh Assemby elections. Only from a position of power can Labour prove it's ready to return to government. Given that Kahn isn't a left candidate, his losing would only convince those on the left that moving to the right won't help, surely? If he won, but Labour did worse elsewhere, that would help Corbyn's opponents more, I would have thought.rebeccariots2 wrote:Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h1 hour ago
Labour's counter revolutionaries would sacrifice Sadiq Khan to topple Corbyn. Me in @NewStatesman http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …... No wonder, when Jezza’s implacable opponents in Westminster are growing increasingly deranged. Aware that Corbyn must lose national elections if his support within the party is to be eroded, one moderate whispered that Blairite cohorts would be prepared to sacrifice Sadiq Khan at next May’s London mayoral contest if it would trigger a regime change.
Hoping the bus driver’s son is beaten by the Tory Zac Goldsmith is the latest counter-revolution by the dispossessed...
Below the line people have been sharing these experiences for years, people have been giving factual testimony that this was and iss happening, and early on even the G's own were doing video reports that had some weight. Where was the outcry? Where was the support?HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... ect-impact
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And how exactly do they think deliberately throwing elections will get the wider party to look at them in a more positive light?PorFavor wrote:Yes. That's all we need - and it would really piss me off.rebeccariots2 wrote:Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h1 hour ago
Labour's counter revolutionaries would sacrifice Sadiq Khan to topple Corbyn. Me in @NewStatesman http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …... No wonder, when Jezza’s implacable opponents in Westminster are growing increasingly deranged. Aware that Corbyn must lose national elections if his support within the party is to be eroded, one moderate whispered that Blairite cohorts would be prepared to sacrifice Sadiq Khan at next May’s London mayoral contest if it would trigger a regime change.
Hoping the bus driver’s son is beaten by the Tory Zac Goldsmith is the latest counter-revolution by the dispossessed...
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... s-approved" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;The NHS has 45,000 trainee doctors in England. On a first strike day, they would provide only emergency care for 24 hours starting at 8am on Tuesday 1 December, reducing hospitals to the low level of service usually seen on Christmas Day.
They intend to follow that with two all-out stoppages, in which all junior doctors will refuse to work. Those walkouts are expected for Tuesday 8 December and Wednesday 16 December, subject to the result of a ballot by the British Medical Association (BMA) of the 30,000 juniors it represents.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:And how exactly do they think deliberately throwing elections will get the wider party to look at them in a more positive light?PorFavor wrote:Yes. That's all we need - and it would really piss me off.rebeccariots2 wrote:
I'm trying to work out if he's right or not. Any thoughts?Q: Why was Labour not trusted on the economy?
Livermore says the party had not taken the difficult decisions early in the parliament on welfare and on the deficit.
Having worked for several campaigns, he now thinks elections are won early on in the parliament - not in the final weeks or in the final year.
The earlier you get a message out there, the more people will remember it. It's what the Tories did and it's one of the reasons Labour aren't trusted on the economy.Willow904 wrote:Spencer Livermore (Labour's 2015 election chief) in the G:
I'm trying to work out if he's right or not. Any thoughts?Q: Why was Labour not trusted on the economy?
Livermore says the party had not taken the difficult decisions early in the parliament on welfare and on the deficit.
Having worked for several campaigns, he now thinks elections are won early on in the parliament - not in the final weeks or in the final year.
The Beeb aren't exactly helping themselves are they....BBC axes popular shows to keep 74 managers earning MORE than David Cameron
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/620562 ... id-Cameron
True. And it also serves to dilute the "they're only saying that to win an impending election" thing.refitman wrote:The earlier you get a message out there, the more people will remember it. It's what the Tories did and it's one of the reasons Labour aren't trusted on the economy.Willow904 wrote:Spencer Livermore (Labour's 2015 election chief) in the G:
I'm trying to work out if he's right or not. Any thoughts?Q: Why was Labour not trusted on the economy?
Livermore says the party had not taken the difficult decisions early in the parliament on welfare and on the deficit.
Having worked for several campaigns, he now thinks elections are won early on in the parliament - not in the final weeks or in the final year.
I've been reviewing the polls when Cameron was elected leader of the Tory party. After trailing Labour for the first 6 months of the 2005-2010 parliament, they went into the lead immediately on Cameron being elected and stayed mostly ahead until 2007 and the beginning of the credit crunch. By the end of 2007 the Tories were back in front, however, and with such a lead it's hard to fathom how they faded so much to need the Libdems by the end.refitman wrote:The earlier you get a message out there, the more people will remember it. It's what the Tories did and it's one of the reasons Labour aren't trusted on the economy.Willow904 wrote:Spencer Livermore (Labour's 2015 election chief) in the G:
I'm trying to work out if he's right or not. Any thoughts?Q: Why was Labour not trusted on the economy?
Livermore says the party had not taken the difficult decisions early in the parliament on welfare and on the deficit.
Having worked for several campaigns, he now thinks elections are won early on in the parliament - not in the final weeks or in the final year.
Hello. Which bit am I meant to be looking at, please?ohsocynical wrote:Very apt!
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Oh, for God's sake! Just keep that theme going, why don't you?Livermore says Corbyn must be seen as prime ministerial. That includes singing the national anthem.(Politics Live, Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... al-economyUK manufacturers fear bleak outlook as export orders tumble
CBI’s snapshot of sector reveals strong pound and jitters over global growth are likely to dent factory output
(Guardian)
Polling wise, the Tories were slightly behind almost from the get go in 2010. The coalition, Tories and Libdems combined, however, were always comfortably ahead. If you look at it like that, Ed was never going to win. The public supported the government throughout and returned the main chunk of it. The "change" elections had the opposition doing very well for much of the preceding parliament. You have to go back to 1979 to find a real break from that pattern.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Labour actually re-took the lead in the summer of 2007 when Brown took over, but as we all doubtless recall he blew that not long after with the "election that never was".
Though I'm not convinced the rule above always holds - Tories were ahead almost unbroken (sometimes by big margins) all the way from the 1987 GE until early 1989, over 18 months. Barely a year later, they were 20+ points behind and so feared for their future they ultimately dumped Thatcher.
I think the last parliament might actually have been *slightly* unusual in how much got effectively decided so early on.
ohsocynical wrote:The Beeb aren't exactly helping themselves are they....BBC axes popular shows to keep 74 managers earning MORE than David Cameron
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/620562 ... id-Cameron
Let's hope this is just stupidity from that one whispering moderate. Otherwise, it's an insult to the dozen or more members of my CLP who turned out in this morning's incessant chilly drizzle to canvas in support of Sadiq and and our London Assembly candidates - and to all the people out across the UK canvassing for their own candidates for other Assembly or Local Authority elections next May.rebeccariots2 wrote:Kevin Maguire @Kevin_Maguire 1h1 hour ago
Labour's counter revolutionaries would sacrifice Sadiq Khan to topple Corbyn. Me in @NewStatesman http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/obs ... intentions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …... No wonder, when Jezza’s implacable opponents in Westminster are growing increasingly deranged. Aware that Corbyn must lose national elections if his support within the party is to be eroded, one moderate whispered that Blairite cohorts would be prepared to sacrifice Sadiq Khan at next May’s London mayoral contest if it would trigger a regime change.
Hoping the bus driver’s son is beaten by the Tory Zac Goldsmith is the latest counter-revolution by the dispossessed...
Blimey, talk about coincidence - a Swordfish has just flown very low over my house! I think it's something to do with BRNC commemorating last week's anniversary of the Battle of Taranto, which they do every year with a big dinner. The Navy don't seem to be too good with dates - the college put on a firework party for friends and family of people who work there, and managed to hold it two days before Halloween. Good fun though.TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Far too classy for Dave.PorFavor wrote:Fokker?
Or there is\was something called a Fairey Swordfish. It would give him something to point at.
Ha! Have I been reading the data back to front? Scratch the above on 1992, then. Maybe you're right. Maybe Kinnock should have stepped down, if he hadn't done well enough early on, which it seems he didn't pre-1989.AnatolyKasparov wrote:No, my point is that it was a *bad* start for Labour in the 1987-92 parliament - but later on the Tories were in mortal danger.
And of course I know that they still won in the end - the interesting thing is, many of them now think that keeping Thatcher and taking the hit in 1991/92 would have been better long term. I also definitely recall (though I can't pin it down, annoyingly) Kinnock saying he thought about emulating Maggie and stepping down as Labour leader after Major took over, and at least partly regretting not doing so - he knew that marked a real change and Labour people denying it just made them seem a bit silly.
That period of British politics is actually a fascinating one to study - many of the things that have only really come to fruition recently originated then.
In 2008, plans for an American-style Air Force One plane were dropped by then-PM Gordon Brown, who said it would be too expensive.
One hopes that the contingency plans are to let the consultants and nurses deal with it.PorFavor wrote:Can someone who's conversant with the staffing\rotas within the NHS suggest what these "contingency plans" might comprise of, please? The numbers don't seem to leave much leeway.Hunt says BMA strike vote "very disappointing"
Jeremy Hunt, the health secretary, has described the decision of junior doctors to vote for strike action as “very disappointing”. He told Sky News:
This is very, very disappointing news today. We want to be able to promise NHS patients that they will get the same high-quality care every day of the week and study after study has shown that our mortality rates at weekends are too high. We’ve put forward a very fair offer for doctors which will see pay go up for three-quarters of junior doctors. We wanted to talk about this to them, but in the end they’ve chosen to strike so we will now have to put in place contingency plans to make sure that patients are safe over a very, very busy period for the NHS and we’ll be doing everything we can to make that happen.
I’ve taken the quote from PoliticsHome. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I can't bring myself to thank you for that, it's just too depressing. I wish you were wrong.TR'sGhost wrote:I'm starting to think the Labour PLP and bureaucracy "moderates" are quite willing to sacrifice whoever and whatever it takes to get rid of Corbyn then complete the Mandelson-Blairite project and arrange a broad two-party Republicans/Democrats style consensus on all significant issues. Labour being the "B" team to the Natural Party of Government, kept around to take over for a while if the Tories are in disarray then it's back to the changing rooms for a bit of principled abstaining and reluctant support for whatever the Tories do the rest of the time.
Since 1979 sustained campaigns in the media have claimed the scalps of:
Jim Callaghan
Michael Foot
Neil Kinnock
Gordon Brown
Ed Miliband
That's five out of the last seven Labour leaders, all character asssassinated, lied about and increasingly misreported by the media. Miliband had difficulty in even getting Labour policy reported at all, other than selectively when it could be misrepresented and used to discredit him. John Smith escaped the assault mostly because he died before the bandwagon picked up speed and Blair because he resigned before the Tories were properly organised and ready to take the reins again.
The scalps of Keir Hardie (pacifist who thought a world war wasn't a good idea) and Labour as a whole was given the smear treatment in 1924 when the Daily Mail front-paged the forged "Zinoviev letter", which claimed Labour were run by the Bolsheviks, four days before the 1924 general election. Even Ramsay MacDonald was portrayed as a Bolshevik in disguise despite being the Blair of his time.
The noisy Labour "moderates" must know that no matter who leads the party the leader will be dragged through the mire on a daily basis, the media leading and the social media hit squads backing them up with ever more outrageous and outraged claims. If someone other than Corbyn had won the leadership election they would be getting the same treatment, personalised to fit them. And the so-called "moderates" are now providing all the assistance and dirty tricks they can to tear down a democratically elected Labour leader and are relaxed about discrediting their own party in the process.
And if it costs them seats and a general election or three I suspect they'll regard that as a price worth paying. After all, there's very profitable wars to be fought and taxes for the wealthy to be cut.
I just wonder who they expect to be knocking on doors for them or generally trying day in day out to boost Labour support. Or who they expect to fund the party...
I think people like Mandelson and similar entitled "grandees" genuinely believe that doesn't matter.TR'sGhost wrote: I just wonder who they expect to be knocking on doors for them or generally trying day in day out to boost Labour support. Or who they expect to fund the party...
Quite. Not forgetting the lucrative consultancies (Alan Milburn et al)TR'sGhost wrote: And if it costs them seats and a general election or three I suspect they'll regard that as a price worth paying. After all, there's very profitable wars to be fought and taxes for the wealthy to be cut.
Door knocking is so passe. All they need is a few Lord Sainsbury's. I'm sure Mandleson can get a few of his mates to stump up some cashI just wonder who they expect to be knocking on doors for them or generally trying day in day out to boost Labour support. Or who they expect to fund the party...
For some reason, they chose not to challenge the 'Labour spent all the money and Gordon Brown crashed the world' bollocks and thus handed the Tories the economic high ground. A stupid decision then and one they are still suffering for.Willow904 wrote:Spencer Livermore (Labour's 2015 election chief) in the G:
I'm trying to work out if he's right or not. Any thoughts?Q: Why was Labour not trusted on the economy?
Livermore says the party had not taken the difficult decisions early in the parliament on welfare and on the deficit.
Having worked for several campaigns, he now thinks elections are won early on in the parliament - not in the final weeks or in the final year.
PorFavor wrote:ohsocynical wrote:Very apt!
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ohsocynical wrote:PorFavor wrote:ohsocynical wrote:Very apt!
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