Re: Thursday 28th April 2016
Posted: Thu 28 Apr, 2016 2:55 pm
@nickyinnorfolk
Brilliant website, thank you.
Explains a lot.
Brilliant website, thank you.
Explains a lot.
Yes, thank you.The Jewish Socialists’ Group recognises that ordinary Jewish people are rightly concerned and fearful about instances of antisemitism.
We share their concerns and a have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will
not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist
campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of
migrants”.
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Wholeheartedly agree with every word you've written, Willow904, thank you.Willow904 wrote:I'm sorry Ken Livingstone has had to be suspended from the party. Can't help but feel if a Tory grandee came out with something similar the media would just shrug. He's not an MP or a spokesman for the party. He's virtually retired and hasn't said much that makes a lot sense in a while. He's responsible for what he said, of course, and can't argue the suspension which Labour had no choice over, but compared to the active nastiness of Goldsmith in an official election campaign, it feels the attention on this is disproportionate, to say the least.
I've read that quote several times and I still don't understand David Baddiel's meaning at all.RobertSnozers wrote:Apparently David Baddiel said this on Today this morning:
What? So it's only in the left's 'version' that Israel is the oppressor?"The left portrays itself as a champion of the oppressed. But there is such a big hangover from them that the Jews are not that, that they are rich and powerful and controlling and therefore that they do not fit into the category of the oppressed, particularly in their version of Israel, which is the oppressor."
Is anyone going to call Baddiel out on what he thinks is happening to the Palestinians? Some might call it denial.
Beautifully said, RobertSnozersRobertSnozers wrote:Oh dear. Ken Livingstone opened his mouth and now the whole blasted thing is opened up again. As usual, far more is being made of what he said than is justified, but as usual, he phrased things without much care and as a result has given a whole load of ammunition just as the Naz Shah story had to die down. I think for the sake of the party, a 'period of silence from him would be appreciated'.
Thoroughly charming, trulyPaulfromYorkshire wrote:This made me chuckle. On #EdBallsDay
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/e ... f7bed55e96" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Agreed, and I do not want to be flippant, but can you imagine the furore if Jeremy Corbyn had called any conservative "poncey" as Cameron did Farage yesterday.We would not hear the end of it and the accusation of class war would be invoked. But what do we get? Nothing of note. Perhaps as Cameron and Farage (however you pronounce it) are of the same ilk its just harmless banter!Willow904 wrote:I'm sorry Ken Livingstone has had to be suspended from the party. Can't help but feel if a Tory grandee came out with something similar the media would just shrug. He's not an MP or a spokesman for the party. He's virtually retired and hasn't said much that makes a lot sense in a while. He's responsible for what he said, of course, and can't argue the suspension which Labour had no choice over, but compared to the active nastiness of Goldsmith in an official election campaign, it feels the attention on this is disproportionate, to say the least.
Ken Livingstone doesn't bother me too muchTemulkar wrote:Ken Livingstone really is an arse. He has form on this, I remember his capo remark, he constantly gives the militants in progress ammunition to divide the party. A complete knob basket as well as an interpretation of the transfer policy that is frankly Irvinesque.
This will stifle valid criticism of Israels human rights record in Palestine, as well as being a great dead cat to distract from the multiple failures of the government.
(my bold)ScarletGas wrote:And to hell will the consequences!AnatolyKasparov wrote:Mann has undoubtedly been a bit of an arse as well, and apparently is going to be spoken to by the whips.
Of course, both he and Ken have one big thing in common - an almost insatiable appetite for self publicity.
My father always told me to think before I opened my mouth-I wish he could have given them both the same advice.
Oh and now the hypocrite personified that is David Cameron has given us the benefit of his opinion. I am damn sure that someone who ignores the plight of innocent refugee children should be denounced in exactly the same terms of an anti Semite. Both are discrimination and a disgrace in my eyes.
He means that some on the left swallow all that 'Rothschild' and 'Jewish bankers run the world' crap.citizenJA wrote:I've read that quote several times and I still don't understand David Baddiel's meaning at all.RobertSnozers wrote:Apparently David Baddiel said this on Today this morning:
What? So it's only in the left's 'version' that Israel is the oppressor?"The left portrays itself as a champion of the oppressed. But there is such a big hangover from them that the Jews are not that, that they are rich and powerful and controlling and therefore that they do not fit into the category of the oppressed, particularly in their version of Israel, which is the oppressor."
Is anyone going to call Baddiel out on what he thinks is happening to the Palestinians? Some might call it denial.
Troll-jackedyahyah wrote:Why has the Guardian closed AS's blog for comments ?
They always sound so polite - and weak - in their interventions. 'Ask', 'Consider' - I wish they'd just tell them they should have a 12 month extension to the RPA prosecution time limit.Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 3m3 minutes ago
TORY EXPENSES: Elect Comm asks CPS & police forces to consider applying for 12-month extension to 12 month time limit on RPA prosecutions
I don't like it when someone uses the words, 'the left', labelling people who are left-wing, I guess, then proceeds to tell everyoneyahyah wrote:He means that some on the left swallow all that 'Rothschild' and 'Jewish bankers run the world' crap.citizenJA wrote:I've read that quote several times and I still don't understand David Baddiel's meaning at all.RobertSnozers wrote:Apparently David Baddiel said this on Today this morning:
What? So it's only in the left's 'version' that Israel is the oppressor?
Is anyone going to call Baddiel out on what he thinks is happening to the Palestinians? Some might call it denial.
Remember the nasty stuff a small minority of Occupy Wall Street people came out with too ?
Rowena Mason @rowenamason 8m8 minutes ago
John Mann has been given a slap on the wrist by chief whip, told not appropriate to have public row on tv
Thanks for this. Have just posted it on my local Labour Party site.nickyinnorfolk wrote:Via Twitter I found a statement from the Jewish Socialists' Group regarding what they term the 'weaponising' of accusations of antisemitism:
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/ ... cialists-g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;... to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a “problem” of antisemitism. This is despite Corbyn’s longstanding record of actively opposing fascism and all forms of racism, and being a firm a supporter of the rights of refugees and of human rights globally.
The accusations do not refer to antisemitic actions but usually to comments, often made on social media, long before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership. Those making the charges now, did not see fit to bring them up at the time, under previous Labour leaders, but are using them now, just before mayoral and local elections, when they believe they can inflict most damage on the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
... The attack is coming from four main sources, who share agendas: to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour; to defend Israeli government policy from attack, however unjust, racist and harmful towards the Palestinian people; and to discredit those who make legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy or Zionism as a political ideology. As anti-racist and anti-fascist Jews who are also campaigning for peace with justice between Israelis and Palestinians, we entirely reject these cynical agendas that are being expressed by:
• The Conservative Party
• Conservative-supporting media in Britain and pro-Zionist Israeli media sources
• Right-wing and pro-Zionist elements claiming to speak on behalf of the Jewish community
• Opponents of Jeremy Corbyn within the Labour party.
... [we] have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of migrants”. The Conservative Party demonstrated their contempt for Lord Dubs, a Jewish refugee from Nazism, when they voted down en masse an amendment a few days ago to allow 3,000 child refugees into Britain while Labour, led by Jeremy Corbyn, gave total support to Lord Dubs and his amendment.
Is that all? A slap around the side of the head would have been more appropriate.rebeccariots2 wrote:Rowena Mason @rowenamason 8m8 minutes ago
John Mann has been given a slap on the wrist by chief whip, told not appropriate to have public row on tv
Oh great - right on cue, just what we need.Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago
Galloway claims coup against Corbyn is underway
rebeccariots2 wrote:Oh great - right on cue, just what we need.Laura Kuenssberg @bbclaurak 3m3 minutes ago
Galloway claims coup against Corbyn is underway
Bandwidth exceeded when I try to view.ohsocynical wrote:Thanks for this. Have just posted it on my local Labour Party site.nickyinnorfolk wrote:Via Twitter I found a statement from the Jewish Socialists' Group regarding what they term the 'weaponising' of accusations of antisemitism:
http://www.jewishsocialist.org.uk/news/ ... cialists-g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;... to attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a “problem” of antisemitism. This is despite Corbyn’s longstanding record of actively opposing fascism and all forms of racism, and being a firm a supporter of the rights of refugees and of human rights globally.
The accusations do not refer to antisemitic actions but usually to comments, often made on social media, long before Jeremy Corbyn won the Labour leadership. Those making the charges now, did not see fit to bring them up at the time, under previous Labour leaders, but are using them now, just before mayoral and local elections, when they believe they can inflict most damage on the Labour Party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
... The attack is coming from four main sources, who share agendas: to undermine Jeremy Corbyn as leader of Labour; to defend Israeli government policy from attack, however unjust, racist and harmful towards the Palestinian people; and to discredit those who make legitimate criticisms of Israeli policy or Zionism as a political ideology. As anti-racist and anti-fascist Jews who are also campaigning for peace with justice between Israelis and Palestinians, we entirely reject these cynical agendas that are being expressed by:
• The Conservative Party
• Conservative-supporting media in Britain and pro-Zionist Israeli media sources
• Right-wing and pro-Zionist elements claiming to speak on behalf of the Jewish community
• Opponents of Jeremy Corbyn within the Labour party.
... [we] have a proud and consistent record of challenging and campaigning against antisemitism. But we will not support those making false accusations for cynical political motives, including the Conservative Party, who are running a racist campaign against Sadiq Khan, and whose leader David Cameron has referred to desperate refugees, as “a swarm” and “a bunch of migrants”. The Conservative Party demonstrated their contempt for Lord Dubs, a Jewish refugee from Nazism, when they voted down en masse an amendment a few days ago to allow 3,000 child refugees into Britain while Labour, led by Jeremy Corbyn, gave total support to Lord Dubs and his amendment.
Sadly I think Corbyn has to take some responsibility for all of this. He brought Ken Livingstone back into the media spotlight by giving him an active role. Livingstone's subsequent interviews make me question whether that was wise. It would have been nicer to have seen him bow out a little more gracefully, but retirement would be no bad thing at this juncture. Corbyn's next move will be interesting. Can he effectively put this to bed and turn the attention back on the Tories? The media have been desperate for this to damage Labour and it's exactly the kind of contrived attack Ed had so much trouble dealing with when leader. Will Corbyn's super cool, calm manner and almost disinterested responses fair better? Possibly. The only way to stop the media making a mountain out of a molehill is to keep treating it exactly as the molehill it is - serious, yes, but small and resolvable.yahyah wrote:I notice Mann used a reference to mental health about Livingstone.
Livingstone got it in the neck for using a mental health reference which led to some anti-Corbyn Labour supporters shouting 'disgusting', wonder if they'll be picking up Mann for what he said ?
Maybe there is just too much outrage these days. People go ballistic and tweet their hatred at the drop of a hat. To quote our Fishpointer General, maybe everyone should 'calm down dear'.
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 49m49 minutes ago
Electoral Commission, CPS & police to meet next Weds, 4 May, to discuss Elect Comm request for extension to 12-mon limit on RPA prosecutions
Michael Crick @MichaelLCrick 43m43 minutes ago
Police launch formal investigation into Scott Mann general election expenses
Police launch formal inquiry into Scott Mann's expenses, as prosecutors seek election costs "summit"
http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/Police ... z478Tdf7pR" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It is becoming ever more clear that the Labour Party in Westminster has become a part of a permanent political class alongside their Tory and Liberal Democrat counterparts. Disengagement and voter apathy means a fairly stable job, a few seats lost and won either way each election and no big surprises. The chance to earn a great wage and pass policies which guarantee lucrative consultancy/director roles after politics. All done with the passive acceptance of a disaffected electorate, half of whom don’t even bother to vote anymore. To this permanent political class, a popular movement based on social democratic values is about as welcome as a fart in an elevator.
http://www.thecanary.co/2016/04/08/blai ... elections/
George Eaton @georgeeaton 2m2 minutes ago
I'm told that Team Corbyn wanted John Mann suspended but the whips office said no.
Makes you wonder, doesn't it.David 2112 @David21123 50m50 minutes ago
Did Daily Politics team set up the confrontation between John Mann and Ken Livingston? They have form - Michael Dugher resignation on air.
A story that shows even more government incompetence - and prompts pondering about the various forms of benefits / subsidies and how those who receive them are perceived and treated.Farmers Weekly
@FarmersWeekly
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Hear, hear.yahyah wrote:Night all. Hope it's warmer tomorrow and the news less frustrating.
FT Brussels @ftbrussels 11s12 seconds ago
Germany plans jobless migrants benefit ban http://on.ft.com/26xMxlj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dare we hope? Nah. Not if the last six years are anything to go by.The elections watchdog has asked for more time to pursue possible criminal prosecutions regarding Tory election spending, as a summit is called to consider the evidence revealed by Channel 4 News.
http://www.channel4.com/news/election-e ... n-extensio
Nah. I agree with you. But that report makes you realise the sheer scale of non declaration of expenses. It appears systematic and that's what I feel ought to hold some sway - and seems like the 'elections watchdog' might think so too. They didn't do much watchdogging though, did they? It took Channel 4 doggedly investigating and repeatedly bringing it to public attention before they did b****** all.ohsocynical wrote:Dare we hope? Nah. Not if the last six years are anything to go by.The elections watchdog has asked for more time to pursue possible criminal prosecutions regarding Tory election spending, as a summit is called to consider the evidence revealed by Channel 4 News.
http://www.channel4.com/news/election-e ... n-extensio