Friday 6th May 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:52 am

Yep, her 'jam today, more jam tomorrow under Plaid' will be more difficult when she has to actually be accountable.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:53 am

yahyah wrote:Wasn't Wood already unbearable ?

She certainly has been since she became bestie mates with La Sturgeon and got her new hairdo and little Thatcherette suits......she's a very very serious grown up politician now, you know.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:54 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Going to hope for a stonking victory for Sadiq Khan later today.

Get those election gods whizzed up please Ephemerid.

and hopefully more Tories will express their disgust at Goldsmith's appalling campaign.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:54 am

James Forsyth Retweeted
Steve Fisher ‏@StephenDFisher 3m3 minutes ago
BBC forecasting team Wales seats prediction:
Lab 29 (2 short of a majority)
PC 12
Con 11
UKIP 7
LD 1

If that happens it's about the best predicted outcome for Labour .... so not so bad.

Wonder when Leanne Wood is going to suggest to Carwyn that she is First Minister for the first half of the Assembly term ....?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:56 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Going to hope for a stonking victory for Sadiq Khan later today.

Get those election gods whizzed up please Ephemerid.

I will - it has worked pretty well so far.....

....apart from UKIP in Wales and the Blue Meanies in Scotland, obvs.

I will also invoke the gods of makethebloodybbcsackkuensservativeberg and ceaseanddesistwiththecorbynbashing (although, so far, said gods have been noticeable by their absence)

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Fri 06 May, 2016 8:57 am

Thanks to all of you who stayed up all night and posted here - it's almost like having our LadyC back.

Ohso - hope you are feeling a bit better this morning.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:01 am

Good for Charlotte Church. She was tweeting 'It's the Welsh Assembly elections. Carwyn Jones is leader of Welsh Labour not Corbyn. I also support Corbyn'.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:02 am

I would love to know that Eluned Morgan had made it into the Assembly on our regional list .... please Wales.

One of the things that gives me a bit of hope is that there are - if elected - some pretty good representatives with a lot of strengths and experience who will join Labour in the Senedd. That can only be for the good.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:03 am

Thank you Ephemerid - let's toast Lady C this morning. Much missed.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:06 am

PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Final tallies in the Scottish Assembly elections:
SNP 63
Tories 31
Labour 24
Greens 6
Liberal Democrats 5

How do we think it will go if there's a vote on fracking in the future?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:10 am

ephemerid wrote:Thanks to all of you who stayed up all night and posted here - it's almost like having our LadyC back.

Ohso - hope you are feeling a bit better this morning.

Thank you. At present it's not too bad. Don't know what bought the pains on so badly. I've been busy, but not with an excess of physical work. I can't take painkillers so the only thing is to go to bed and get really warm, read a good book and forget myself.

I'm wondering if stress can trigger it to that extent ... Things aren't easy at present as Mr Ohso works his way through all the emotional stages.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:13 am

We shouldn't be too down hearted about UKIP in the Senedd.

In England UKIP had the advantage of their MPs being ex-Tory MPs.
They had experience of years in Westminster politics and constituency work.

The Kipper AMs have no existing infrastructure at Cardiff.
Their selection procedures have been lax in the past, fruit loops often getting through.
Now a spotlight will be shone on their behaviour, views, Senedd attendance etc.
It may not help their future appeal to the public.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:15 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Thank you Ephemerid - let's toast Lady C this morning. Much missed.

I wondered the other day what she'd have been saying about Goldsmith's Mayoral campaign. Sad probably to see her beloved London being brought so low.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:17 am

yahyah wrote:Good for Charlotte Church. She was tweeting 'It's the Welsh Assembly elections. Carwyn Jones is leader of Welsh Labour not Corbyn. I also support Corbyn'.

I thought I read a Tweet she was supporting Plaid?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:20 am

Fewer people die in hospital at weekends, study finds
Weekend death rate problem, used by Jeremy Hunt to justify imposing new doctors’ contract, ‘does not exist’
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016 ... s-contract" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:22 am

You are right Oh So. That's Ms Church off my Christmas card list.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:23 am

Marcus Edwards ‏@c4marcus 3m3 minutes ago
Declaration imminent in Mid and West Wales. #Wales2016

AAAAARGH.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:25 am

These election results show Labour’s made a significant start on the road to 2020

http://labourlist.org/2016/05/these-ele ... d-to-2020/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:28 am

Good morfternoon.

2m ago 09:25
Neil Hamilton returns to politics as Ukip member in Wales (Politics Live, Guardian)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:29 am

Martin Rowson @MartinRowson
Well I don't know about you but I think it's obvious that the fact that ANYONE AT ALL voted Labour means Corbyn should resign immediately...

Rosemary Golding ‏@RosemaryGolding 25s26 seconds ago
I love it when Martin starts a rant!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:30 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Marcus Edwards ‏@c4marcus 3m3 minutes ago
Declaration imminent in Mid and West Wales. #Wales2016
AAAAARGH.

I don't normally swear but **** it.

25,000 voters - did they not know or just not care that he is a sleazebag of the highest order ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:31 am

Statement on Orgreave from Interim Chief Constable
Issued on behalf of Chief Constable Dave Jones, Interim Chief Constable for South Yorkshire Police:

“The Hillsborough Inquests have brought into sharp focus the need to understand and confront the past and give people the opportunity to explore the circumstances of such significant events.

“I would therefore welcome an appropriate independent assessment of Orgreave accepting that the way in which this is delivered is a matter for the Home Secretary.”

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:32 am

You can watch the London mayor and assembly elections being counted in real time here

https://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/el ... gress-2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:34 am

Currently

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:35 am

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:38 am

RobertSnozers wrote:I'm reminded of a previous election where the pre-set narrative was about Labour's collapse, but the eventual results didn't bear that out at all - and yet the reporting continued in that vein anyway. Was it the local elections last year?

Both 2013 and 2014 were like that to some extent.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:39 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And

Good start. First round win pretty please!

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:41 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:I'm reminded of a previous election where the pre-set narrative was about Labour's collapse, but the eventual results didn't bear that out at all - and yet the reporting continued in that vein anyway. Was it the local elections last year?
Both 2013 and 2014 were like that to some extent.

I recall Michael Green saying Miliband needed to win big and he duly did. And then some. Was that the 2012?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:46 am

StephenDolan wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:I'm reminded of a previous election where the pre-set narrative was about Labour's collapse, but the eventual results didn't bear that out at all - and yet the reporting continued in that vein anyway. Was it the local elections last year?
Both 2013 and 2014 were like that to some extent.
I recall Michael Green saying Miliband needed to win big and he duly did. And then some. Was that the 2012?

Yep.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:51 am

Neil fucking Hamilton?

I barely have the words to express my utter contempt for every last fuckwit who voted him in to anything.

Perhaps someone could remind me, like they did last May, that the electorate really isn't full of thick, ignorant idiots.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:51 am

LAB hold Bury

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:52 am

Morning all, and congratulations to those who did sterling service throughout the night.

My local Council is still NOC, but my vote has clearly helped a little as Labour have gained one, Lib Dems lost two to level at 22 seats each, the other loss going to the blue bastards who have 14 (others 5, unchanged).

It's looking overall like a good night, the kind of night FTN deals with very well by reporting the facts, not the Press pre-shredded fanntasy.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:53 am

Here's someone who's swearing even more than I am about N*** H******.

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 06 May, 2016 9:55 am

There were also quite a few council by-elections yesterday, including one in Barrow - where, of course, JC's stance on Trident has made Labour toxic for so many.

So here we go - Lab GAIN from Tory (erm, is that right? - BBC Political Ed)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:11 am

Philip Hunt ‏@LordPhilofBrum 3m3 minutes ago
Brilliant news @LordTobySays: Delighted @LabourLordsUK colleague @Eluned_Morgan elected to Welsh Assembly. @UKHouseofLords"

Yeah that means we got our 2 regionals safely in. Eluned was our no 2.

Still haven't actually seen a declaration for mid and west wales ... they obviously can't be bothered to report it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:14 am

Craig Woodhouse Retweeted
Karen Danczuk ‏@KarenDanczuk 22m22 minutes ago
I really want to fight Middleton & Heywood at the next General Election for MP!! It's time they had a home girl putting the town first KD

Please could the good folk of Middleton & Heywood take heed now.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:17 am

Briefcase Michael ‏@BriefcaseMike 51m51 minutes ago
Breaking: Neil Hamilton elected to Welsh Assembly.
Order more brown envelopes. #bbcnews #5live

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:18 am

James Chapman Retweeted
George Osborne ‏@George_Osborne 26m26 minutes ago
Clear that whoever leads Labour, they cannot govern the UK in the future without being propped up by @theSNP

Oh FFS.

Do we think the public might just have wised up to the SNP and Labour not necessarily being besties?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:20 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Craig Woodhouse Retweeted
Karen Danczuk ‏@KarenDanczuk 22m22 minutes ago
I really want to fight Middleton & Heywood at the next General Election for MP!! It's time they had a home girl putting the town first KD
Please could the good folk of Middleton & Heywood take heed now.

For which party?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:23 am

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 2m2 minutes ago
We criticise the Corbyn spin operation. But success in getting BBC to legitimise the ludicrous '2015 comparison' important moment.

He can't help himself.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:25 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Final tallies in the Scottish Assembly elections:
SNP 63
Tories 31
Labour 24
Greens 6
Liberal Democrats 5
How do we think it will go if there's a vote on fracking in the future?

I'm not sure what the SNP stance on fracking is this week but with those figures, the SNP need the Greens on-side if they're against it.
The other three parties refused to enter a coalition with the SNP and forced them into a minority government before.

I don't think Kezia Dugdale's promise to allow Labour MSPs to campaign for independence did the party any favours. The threat of another referendum is still bubbling away and the Tories are the only party that have come out as definitely against it. Better to have kept quiet until the matter was actually raised in Holyrood imo.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:26 am

Eluned Morgan
‏@Eluned_Morgan
OMG I'm going to be an Assembly Member . Thank you so much to everyone in Mid and West Wales who campaigned so hard.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:27 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
PoliticsHome ‏@politicshome 2m2 minutes ago
Final tallies in the Scottish Assembly elections:
SNP 63
Tories 31
Labour 24
Greens 6
Liberal Democrats 5
How do we think it will go if there's a vote on fracking in the future?
I'm not sure what the SNP stance on fracking is this week but with those figures, the SNP need the Greens on-side if they're against it.
The other three parties refused to enter a coalition with the SNP and forced them into a minority government before.

I don't think Kezia Dugdale's promise to allow Labour MSPs to campaign for independence did the party any favours. The threat of another referendum is still bubbling away and the Tories are the only party that have come out as definitely against it. Better to have kept quiet until the matter was actually raised in Holyrood imo.

I thought the SNP were rather prevaricating about fracking - leaving a teensy weensy door open - whereas Greens and Labour have said no to it?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:27 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges 2m2 minutes ago
We criticise the Corbyn spin operation. But success in getting BBC to legitimise the ludicrous '2015 comparison' important moment.
He can't help himself.

In what way is that comparison "ludicrous"? Certainly it makes more sense in some ways to compare results with that rather than 2012 when UKIP were still barely a thing.

Btw, looks like Coburn might have been elected as a list MSP - uniquely left wing Scotland, again

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:32 am

Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics 6m6 minutes ago
Question mark over how long Corbyn can remain Labour leader after disastrous results
http://thesun.uk/6017BWc9S" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Better get that 'disastrous' word in the headlines quick before Khan wins London eh (praying to election gods). I dread to think what their headline might be if he does.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:37 am

Ian KatzVerified account
‏@iankatz1000
Think Michael Thrasher did Corbyn great favour by predicting Labour would lose 150 council seats

Neither can he.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:40 am

Putting the name "Kuenssberg" into Twitter has never been so gratifying. An absolute pasting.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:42 am

Anushka Asthana ‏@GuardianAnushka 2m2 minutes ago
I've heard John McDonnell is going to call on Labour critics to come on board, and put up or shut up.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:45 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

2m ago 09:25
Neil Hamilton returns to politics as Ukip member in Wales (Politics Live, Guardian)

Deepest commiserations

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 06 May, 2016 10:47 am

The silver lining there is that I can think of few who could do a better job of discrediting the UKIP cause (and more quickly)