Tuesday 31st.May 2016

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Tue 31 May, 2016 5:29 pm

ephemerid wrote:NonOxCol - I didn't know that about Cook.

Duly noted.

(He's still really handsome, mind......)

He has a fantastic temperament for test cricket but basically he's not very bright, imo.
Dim and lacking in self-awareness.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 31 May, 2016 5:31 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Let's see the Brexiters explain that. Given that so many of them are militantly pro-markets.

Didn't said poll actually put "leave" ahead?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:11 pm

Farage cancels visit to avoid protest

Nigel Farage’s Grassroots Out bus was due to drive to Northampton for another campaign stop. However, as it headed there word came from waiting supporters that 50 or more protesters from the Hope Not Hate group, which has previously targeted Ukip, were also there.

Aides said the decision was made on police advice.

A spokeswoman for Northamptonshire police denied that it had advised Farage’s team to cancel their visit. She said there was no sign of any Hope Not Hate protesters. “There’s a few people handing out leaflets to leave the EU, but that’s it,” she said.(Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)

Of course, Nigel Farage was so disappointed about the cancellation that he was forced to repair to the pub.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:11 pm

Remain was ahead, but by only 52-48.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:20 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Remain was ahead, but by only 52-48.

Politics Live (Guardian) definitely had "Leave" ahead.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:22 pm

I knew he'd been too quiet. Wetherspoons pub bore, Tim Martin, launches pathetic attack on Christine Lagarde and the IMF on 200,000 beer mats.

"Who elected you?" says not obviously elected bloke.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:24 pm

Hope he doesn't try and put the expense through as a business cost.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:30 pm

John McDonnell has accused Sadiq Khan of "discrediting" the Labour party by sharing a platform with David Cameron in the EU referendum.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... ted-labour

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:32 pm

This is just up, haven't read it yet, re Tory electoral fraud.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/05/31/whis ... exclusive/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:37 pm

Looks like using highly paid US election gurus is not doing British politics much good.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 6:42 pm

Mike Smithson
‏@MSmithsonPB
Party IN/OUT splits in ICM phone poll

CON voters 48.2/51.8%
LAB 62.4/37.6%
LD 68.2/ 31.8%
UKIP 3.6/96.4%

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:34 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Mike Smithson
‏@MSmithsonPB
Party IN/OUT splits in ICM phone poll

CON voters 48.2/51.8%
LAB 62.4/37.6%
LD 68.2/ 31.8%
UKIP 3.6/96.4%

Come on Cameron, pull your socks up. Stop letting the side down.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:45 pm

Interesting to see 3.6 % of ukip voters want to stay in, wonder why they're in ukip.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:47 pm

tinybgoat wrote:Interesting to see 3.6 % of ukip voters want to stay in, wonder why they're in ukip.

Yes - I wondered about that. Do you think they - well, you know - know?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:50 pm

Been feeling a bit shamed reading some of your posts about the shitty weather you are experiencing. We've been basking in Mediterranean type sunshine for the last week or so. That's mostly why I'm not posting much - the green stuff out there is exploding into growth and lots of work is needed.

I'm sure it'll all swop around soon. Don't forget we endured the 80 + days of rain at the back end of last summer / autumn.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:54 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinybgoat wrote:Interesting to see 3.6 % of ukip voters want to stay in, wonder why they're in ukip.
Yes - I wondered about that. Do you think they - well, you know - know?

Maybe it's the social life,
or they just can't get enough of Farage,
or it could be his Wife & in-laws.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 7:56 pm

tinybgoat wrote:Interesting to see 3.6 % of ukip voters want to stay in, wonder why they're in ukip.

Might be in Wales or Cornwall. You might rationally support UKIP because you think everything is shit and want to show it, but in the EU Referendum vote to Remain because you don't trust Westminster to carry on with investment in your area.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:07 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
John McDonnell has accused Sadiq Khan of "discrediting" the Labour party by sharing a platform with David Cameron in the EU referendum.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... ted-labour

He doesn't exactly. He doesn't mention Khan, though the criticism is implied. Equally he could be referring to a general Labour policy, not Khan making a one off appearance.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:10 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
John McDonnell has accused Sadiq Khan of "discrediting" the Labour party by sharing a platform with David Cameron in the EU referendum.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... ted-labour
He doesn't exactly. He doesn't mention Khan, though the criticism is implied. Equally he could be referring to a general Labour policy, not Khan making a one off appearance.

Owen Jones is pointing out that he's only saying pretty much the same as Hilary Benn a few weeks back ....

It's so bloody tiring - all this whipping up feuds and bust ups out of not very much.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:19 pm

Most people don't go beyond the headline,they know this

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:20 pm

Yeah.

Even if you think nobody in Labour should share a platform at all, London Mayors have always demonstrated independence from the front bench. Livingstone went to court against the Blair Government over the PPP on the tube. I reckon McDonnell is clever enough to understand that, and take it in the right spirit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:26 pm

http://www.alderleyedge.com/news/articl ... oss-of-26m" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Company aimed at saving millions for tax payer reported loss of £2.6m

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:33 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.alderleyedge.com/news/articl ... oss-of-26m

Company aimed at saving millions for tax payer reported loss of £2.6m

Or "council drove hard bargain with private sector contractor", as we'd want them to?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:52 pm

Anthony Wells ‏@anthonyjwells 3m3 minutes ago
New post: ICM phone polls shows Leave ahead http://bit.ly/1spnlhd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:54 pm

Christopher Hope ‏@christopherhope 9m9 minutes ago
Postal voting 'biased' guide scandal: Council in Kent says it sent out 14,085 of the controversial guides, with 600 waiting to be posted.

Christopher Hope ‏@christopherhope 1m1 minute ago
Currently chasing down two other cases of the "biased" voting guides being sent to electorate in West Sussex and Dorset. National problem.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:55 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Yeah.

Even if you think nobody in Labour should share a platform at all, London Mayors have always demonstrated independence from the front bench. Livingstone went to court against the Blair Government over the PPP on the tube. I reckon McDonnell is clever enough to understand that, and take it in the right spirit.

An earlier Twitter mentioned something about Lab right hailing Khan as the best thing since Hovis and beginning to look on him as their leader?

And he has been banging on about Corbynites...He'll need to curb his inclinations when he needs them pounding the streets to help get him re-elected...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 8:59 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.alderleyedge.com/news/articl ... oss-of-26m

Company aimed at saving millions for tax payer reported loss of £2.6m
Or "council drove hard bargain with private sector contractor", as we'd want them to?

Or "Council don't have a clue what they're doing?" Or "Good for claiming expenses but rubbish at knowing what makes a successful company?"

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:02 pm

Ah, is it basically the council playing at being a private company? Fair point, Ohso.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:13 pm

FWIW there was no illustration of a hand/pen in my advice,a bit suspicious of the second preference option.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:18 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ah, is it basically the council playing at being a private company? Fair point, Ohso.

Especially when it comes down to the IT dept. They are central to a council and its workings.

They always say "A good service costing less," and it never is.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:20 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Ah, is it basically the council playing at being a private company? Fair point, Ohso.
Especially when it comes down to the IT dept. They are central to a council and its workings.

They always say "A good service costing less," and it never is.

One Tory councillor told me he was Labour but the Tories threw better parties so he changed sides ...

Now I ask you. Someone with that amount of brain power knowing what he's doing?
And don't get me started on the intelligence of those that elect them.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:24 pm

IFS say abolishing VAT on fuel would cost £5.2bn.

That's rather a lot of money.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:29 pm

: Gun found in mans bum.jpg (52.51 KiB) Viewed 6309 times

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:30 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:IFS say abolishing VAT on fuel would cost £5.2bn.

That's rather a lot of money.

What people keep forgetting is that leave or remain won't change who is in the government. The same lot will still be in power.

It's the Tory GE manifesto all over again. A pack of empty promises and lies.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:31 pm

"Every Friday" must be some kind of ritual.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:47 pm

Racist and Cruel: The nasty world of the Equality and Human Rights Commission
https://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2016/ ... ommission/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:48 pm

HindleA wrote:"Every Friday" must be some kind of ritual.

The state of that man's bum ....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:53 pm

Carla Lane was 87,good grief,you know you are getting old(er) when..

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 9:57 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... ll-history" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pelé auctions off his entire football history

Pelé said: “Having donated a significant portion of my collection to the city of Santos, I have decided to allow fans and collectors to own a piece of my history as well.

“I hope they treasure these artefacts and share my story with their children and generations to come. I will also be donating a portion of the proceeds from the auction to Pequeno Principe, the largest paediatric hospital in Brazil.”

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:00 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote:"Every Friday" must be some kind of ritual.
The state of that man's bum ....

I bet he didn't dare cough

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:00 pm

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 9m9 minutes ago Belfast, Northern Ireland
5 new Police Forces are now receiving complaints into Election Fraud / in preliminary investigations.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:14 pm

Caroline Lucas to stand for Green party leadership as job share
The party’s only MP and former leader wants to partner with work and pensions spokesman Jonathan Bartley
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ukpolitics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:25 pm

"...George Osborne, a man who exudes all the warmth of Scott of the Antarctic’s last dump, who made detailed claims about what the British economy would be like in 2030,
despite not being able to predict the recession a week after it happened. It was like someone telling you they can predict what the weather will be like on any given day in
14 years time, while standing in the rain without an umbrella. If I try to picture Osborne as a child, for some reason all I see is a toddler so desperate not to share an icelolly
that he’s suffocating his conjoined twin with the hat from his sailor suit, then passing it off as a novelty rucksack till it shrivels up and drops off. Of course, I’m joking. He
throttled his twin in the womb with its own umbilical cord as a difficult but necessary measure to ensure he would hit his own arbitrary milk consumption targets. And yet
he’s not all bad: Osborne is arguably the number one homicide target in the country, yet he can’t stop himself pulling on hi-vis jackets. Possibly the desperate actions of
some subconscious crumb of his near-extinguished decency."

- Frankie Boyle

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... oliticians" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Am I damned for laughing at this description of Chancellor Jeff? For thinking it hilarious? Accurate? Spot on?
Recall Osborne is my least favourite Tory front bencher. I think Frankie Boyle and I are in agreement on this point.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:26 pm

NICOLA Sturgeon is facing pressure to fast track a second indyref after a frontrunner for new SNP deputy leader reignited the debate.

Tommy Sheppard – who is tipped to replace scandal-hit Stewart Hosie – set out his plans for increasing support for a Yes vote in a thinly veiled pitch for the post.

But he risked angering unionists by claiming they are mostly right-wingers and suggesting the separatist campaign would be bolstered as elderly No voters die.

He wrote: “Support for public services, the fight for equality and a fair redistributive tax system are synonymous with self-government, whereas low taxes, public spending cuts and inequality are identified with unionism...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... iRmDkJC.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought the SNP were all about low taxes these days?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:40 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/sho ... -beer-mats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Move over Wetherspoons, here’s the Pub Landlord’s Brexit beer mats

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:43 pm

"One thing Mr Martin’s beer mat says is that no one voted for the IMF. Now, I don’t want to be a picky git, but no one voted for him either. Whereas I have – thanks to the voters of Thanet South – 318 votes in my democratic quiver."

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 31 May, 2016 10:43 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Caroline Lucas to stand for Green party leadership as job share
The party’s only MP and former leader wants to partner with work and pensions spokesman Jonathan Bartley
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ukpolitics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah dissapointing. Probably get elected unopposed, nobody will stand against her i dont think.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 11:03 pm

Jobshare sounds like a lazy pressman's dream, an invitation to concentrate on possible disagreements.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 31 May, 2016 11:04 pm

Evening all.

Filthy weather today which meant a drive up to Milton Keynes was really unpleasant.

As to what I was doing...that can wait until the morning.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 31 May, 2016 11:08 pm

One for Roger. Updated version out today.