Friday 24th June 2016

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:19 am

Wenger on Brexit: The world only survives when people work together.

Would like to have more footballers (and football managers) in politics.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:19 am

ohsocynical wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:ITV reporting that Cameron to resign
Tim Roache GMB ‏@Tim_Roache 2h2 hours ago Great Preston, England

What a man Cameron is. Gambles the whole future of the UK and our kids for short term gain..and lost the lot. Let that be his epitaph #GMB

All his families money and influence got him to the top. But you can't buy capable.

And I wonder what Osborne's going to do? Make a play for the job?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:19 am

ohsocynical wrote:Joel Hills ‏@ITVJoel 4m4 minutes ago

Here they come. Biggest fallers banks (Barclays -30% RBS -35% Lloyds -29%) and construction companies (Redrow -76%)

OMG. Things might get awkward.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:20 am

My husband says the Brexiteer politicians seem to be getting cold feet, from what he's heard on the radio.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:21 am

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Joel Hills ‏@ITVJoel 4m4 minutes ago

Here they come. Biggest fallers banks (Barclays -30% RBS -35% Lloyds -29%) and construction companies (Redrow -76%)
OMG. Things might get awkward.

Lionel Barber ‏@lionelbarber 11m11 minutes ago
Bank stocks crash ; sterling plummets - I won't say a word about Project Fear but will wait until weekend @FT commentary coming

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:21 am

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:21 am

Cameron believes he's made great steps in making life better for everyone.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:22 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PF I understand what you're saying but Labour were in a very difficult place. Never forget how Cameron shafted them the day after the Indy Ref.

This is Cameron's mess. End of.

Corbyn has to go, he was a disaster in this campaign from start to finish. We are now goverened by a far right party which will shortly diverge from the interests of the majority in the country. There will be a huge recession, and an election inside a year.

It is utterly vital that Labour have a strong credible leader that the buyers remorse Brexit voter can trust and that horrified Tories can turn to. Corbyn isn't that man.

The alternative is a one party state.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:22 am

Dear UK centrists who voted for pragmatic, economy-friendly Cameron over crazy, dangerous Marxist Miliband last year...good call. Good call.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:22 am

yahyah wrote:My husband says the Brexiteer politicians seem to be getting cold feet, from what he's heard on the radio.

They don't want to do the negotiating. They know it's a poisoned chalice.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:22 am

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Joel Hills ‏@ITVJoel 4m4 minutes ago

Here they come. Biggest fallers banks (Barclays -30% RBS -35% Lloyds -29%) and construction companies (Redrow -76%)
OMG. Things might get awkward.
Lionel Barber ‏@lionelbarber 11m11 minutes ago
Bank stocks crash ; sterling plummets - I won't say a word about Project Fear but will wait until weekend @FT commentary coming

Paul ‏@Paul1Singh 10m10 minutes ago
£122 billion wiped off the FTSE in 10 minutes. Consequences that leave said they were happy to to risk. #EURef

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:22 am

We've got our current account with the Nat West, that'll be ok because it's state owned still, won't it ?
Have quite a wodge of cash sitting in it at the moment as we're having work done on the house and for other things, it would be silly to withdraw it ?

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:23 am

Sorry, didn't copy properly. Was a tweet from Mehdi Hasan.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:23 am

He's off

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:24 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Cameron believes he's made great steps in making life better for everyone.

for real? Is that a direct quote? I don't doubt it. He's been given something for his nerves.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:24 am

After wanting to see the back of him for so long...mmm, what will the next one be like ?
Who will it be ?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:24 am

At least he isn't triggering article 50

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:24 am

The rugby ball has come lose hey Boris?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:25 am

Russ ‏@DickGraceless 2h2 hours ago
Cost of these will rise.

Mortgages
Fuel
Food
Holidays
Call charges
Any loans
Any foreign-made goods

Oh, and a smaller pension too.

I wonder how long it'll take before we see the changes?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:27 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:PF I understand what you're saying but Labour were in a very difficult place. Never forget how Cameron shafted them the day after the Indy Ref.

This is Cameron's mess. End of.
Corbyn has to go, he was a disaster in this campaign from start to finish. We are now goverened by a far right party which will shortly diverge from the interests of the majority in the country. There will be a huge recession, and an election inside a year.

It is utterly vital that Labour have a strong credible leader that the buyers remorse Brexit voter can trust and that horrified Tories can turn to. Corbyn isn't that man.

The alternative is a one party state.

Timing is everything
Dave has only just now made an appearance...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:31 am

And he[David Cameron] would reassure Britons living abroad, and EU nationals here, that there will be no immediate changes. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Well, that will settle everyone's nerves . . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:33 am

ohsocynical wrote:
Russ ‏@DickGraceless 2h2 hours ago
Cost of these will rise.

Mortgages
Fuel
Food
Holidays
Call charges
Any loans
Any foreign-made goods

Oh, and a smaller pension too.
I wonder how long it'll take before we see the changes?

We asked these questions prior the referendum thingy
Not particularly related but I'll mention it here - almost 13 million voters registered to vote for the EU referendum were a no-show
Vote Share
27.8% No-votes

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:33 am

So it isn't just Gordon Brown who 'ruined our pensions', Nigel Farage can take the blame for this.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:34 am

StephenDolan wrote:
yahyah wrote:My husband says the Brexiteer politicians seem to be getting cold feet, from what he's heard on the radio.
They don't want to do the negotiating. They know it's a poisoned chalice.

They wanted it, they can bloody do it. But we don't want them to do it because of who they are.
Catch 22.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:36 am

My husband has slept through it all. I'm not waking him.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:36 am

Are Labour ready for a General Election? I'd say no, unfortunately.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:40 am

We live in interesting times.

My husband's just said 'Who are people in places like Sunderland going to vote for if there's a general election'. Not Labour.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:40 am

We clearly need electoral reform to proportional representation. You do lose the electing a particular person dimension, but it would reduce the terrible polarisation.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:40 am

I agree with part of TE's post. Just discussing it with my other half.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:40 am

PorFavor wrote:
And he[David Cameron] would reassure Britons living abroad, and EU nationals here, that there will be no immediate changes. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Well, that will settle everyone's nerves . . . .

good lord
I was more concerned about the UK economic event horizon
no immediate changes
gotta be gone by Monday?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:41 am

yahyah wrote:We've got our current account with the Nat West, that'll be ok because it's state owned still, won't it ?
Have quite a wodge of cash sitting in it at the moment as we're having work done on the house and for other things, it would be silly to withdraw it ?

I'm glad I've not sold the house yet. But I'm wondering what'll happen when I do. Whether I'll even be able to sell it for a bit.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:42 am

Johnson's statement expected shortly.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:42 am

Cameron says country can survive outside EU, but it can't because the country is the United Kingdom.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:44 am

yahyah wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
yahyah wrote:My husband says the Brexiteer politicians seem to be getting cold feet, from what he's heard on the radio.
They don't want to do the negotiating. They know it's a poisoned chalice.
They wanted it, they can bloody do it. But we don't want them to do it because of who they are.
Catch 22.

It's not that they don't want to do it. It's that they aren't capable. They don't know how. Which is why I voted Remain.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:46 am

Bank of England statement, hopefully that'll come before Boris's statement.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:46 am

Well, that quote I so liked yesterday from an article about 'grim turnips trotting out twaddle' has come in useful very soon:

Michael Fallon who claimed that David Cameron would go down as one of the great reforming Prime Ministers.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:49 am

Christ, my husband's main company pension is now held by an insurance company. transferred by Thorn EMI a year or two ago..
Massive losses on the stock market for that sector.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:49 am

Russ ‏@DickGraceless 1h1 hour ago
When the markets fell this far in 2007 it cost every person in Britain £3700.

The EU cost every person in Britain £65 a year.

Well done.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:51 am

Calming talk from Carney.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:51 am

It wasn't as bad as this after the 2010 hung election was it ?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:52 am

120 billion wiped
250 billion mobilized to prevent meltdown

Nice one England.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:53 am

Morning all.

I did log on a while ago but my computer did its best to protest during the Cameron statement by giving me a Blue Screen of Death.

Well, I was wrong. Thought that remain would come up at the last and get it. No point in trying to point the finger at whose fault this is.

I said ages ago that the best thing that labour could do is announce a snap leadership contest while the Tories are fighting each other for who gets to be PM. Still think that's the best idea.

Given that I doubt Osborne can do it given his closeness to Cameron I'd say Hammond's my bet for PM. Don't think there's much love amongst Tory MPs for Boris. Gove? Maybe. not sure what his support's like.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:53 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:We clearly need electoral reform to proportional representation. You do lose the electing a particular person dimension, but it would reduce the terrible polarisation.

Tory government and industrial action permissible only by union member vote share proportion equalling mega yet a simple majority sufficient to vote the UK out of the EU without minimum voter participation requirements or minimum vote share proportions

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:54 am

I can see an opportunity for a budding capitalist with my 'Don't blame me, I didn't vote Brexit' T-shirt idea.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:54 am

I wonder if Mr Ohso's £40 a month company pension will disappear altogether? We were shocked recently when an insurance policy statement came through. It was supposed to grow annually. And was. It was just about keeping up with inflation. But now it's suddenly dropped in value.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:57 am

Moody's warns of UK credit downgrade

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:57 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:120 billion wiped
250 billion mobilized to prevent meltdown

Nice one England.

Bill the Tory party MPs in government
Tories picking up the tab

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:59 am

@ohso

That might be because a part of company pensions got no increase this year.
It is to do with GMP, because of the rate of inflation. The government actually pays that increase, not the company.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:59 am

Given that every single area in Scotland voted to remain, how long before the EU says that if Scotland wants to remain they're welcome to apply right now?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:59 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Moody's warns of UK credit downgrade

The last triple AAA UK credit rating Chancellor Jeff had aren't just warning, they've said it's inevitable
Chancellor Jeff lost all the UK's AAA credit ratings
loser loser loser loser