Thursday 4th August 2016
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Fwiw, the continued attempts to smear Chakrabarti are as offensive and disgusting as the ones to smear Corbyn.
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Interesting to me that you think this is ok. Thanks for that.JonnyT1234 wrote:Of course Shami Chakrabarti has done absolutely nothing in her lifetime that would merit her being awarded a peerage. We don't want her sort getting that type of thing. She hasn't paid enough to a political party, for starters.SpinningHugo wrote:Shami Chakrabarti to become a Labour peer
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I think this is a farce.
1. How can she conduct an 'independent review' only to then a few weeks later accept a peerage?
2. Corbyn pledged not to create any more new peers in the leadership campaign last year.
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Out of interest, since yahyah has brought up the 45 victory, do any of the resident historians know anything about Tonypandy and its impact? Was the 'myth' of Churchill's involvement widely known and believed at the time? If it was, I can imagine it might have quite an impact on Churchill's electability among the working classes.
And how much or how little truth to the allegations are there/is it possible to discern?
And how much or how little truth to the allegations are there/is it possible to discern?
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Purely anecdotal but my mum was in her teens & lived in London during the Blitz.
She told me that those films of Churchill visiting bombed areas in London were misleading, and that he wasn't that popular amongst a lot of Londoners.
That has to be viewed through the lens of her feelings about her Italian Fascist father being interned on the Isle of Man. Can imagine she may have not wanted to hear much positive about the PM.
She told me that those films of Churchill visiting bombed areas in London were misleading, and that he wasn't that popular amongst a lot of Londoners.
That has to be viewed through the lens of her feelings about her Italian Fascist father being interned on the Isle of Man. Can imagine she may have not wanted to hear much positive about the PM.
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PorFavor wrote:@yahyah
Hello - and thanks. Nothing to report here. Buddleia still unvisited.
Just got back from Norfolk,PorFavor wrote:@yahyah
Hello - and thanks. Nothing to report here. Buddleia still unvisited.
Was in Winterton-on-sea, yesterday,
happy to report hundreds of butterflies on sand dunes, many doing there best to ensure future supply of butterflies (I presume, not an expert on butterflies).
Also 1 Seal & lots of baby Terns running around.
-did note that tern protection is part of EU funded project though.
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Five bees,though not sure if a return visit.Also a couple of cats ,who seem to be observing me.Maybe they are involved in some sort of survey counting people in gardens
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Realise how inflammatory the latest egg production figures might be,but I think never the less we shouldn't ignore them.
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Well here we go.
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Smith using the debate to say how terrible corbyn is http://www.labour.org.uk/pages/leadership-debates-2016" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Debate is live
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Debate - the reception (or whatever it's called)is pretty unreliable.
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Well seeing as it's on the YouTube I'm hoping to catch up with it later. Dogwalking time.PorFavor wrote:Debate - the reception (or whatever it's called)is pretty unreliable.
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It's also on BBC News 24PorFavor wrote:Debate - the reception (or whatever it's called)is pretty unreliable.
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I haven't provided a link because there's not much detail (reasons etc) to the story (it's "Breaking News" at the moment).Dame Lowell Goddard resigns as head of child sexual abuse inquiry
Home secretary Amber Rudd announces that head of long-running inquiry into child sexual abuse has resigned (Guardian)
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What myth exactly? He sent the troops into South Wales and bears responsibility for violoence in Tonypandy escalating, and the deaths in Llanelli. He was widely despised on the coalfield by that generation - rightly so.JonnyT1234 wrote:Out of interest, since yahyah has brought up the 45 victory, do any of the resident historians know anything about Tonypandy and its impact? Was the 'myth' of Churchill's involvement widely known and believed at the time? If it was, I can imagine it might have quite an impact on Churchill's electability among the working classes.
And how much or how little truth to the allegations are there/is it possible to discern?
People view churchill through the prism of 1940, espescially as the generation who fought are pretty much gone now, he was basically the Boris Johnson of his day - funnier at least.
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Thus far, Owen Smith is impressing me.
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Ah - the Trident question.
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have received several 'adult' ladybird books as gifts.
so far have the shed, the husband ('how it works), mindfulness and the hipster
I particularly enjoyed:
'the husband hears as much as 30% of what is said to him'
so far have the shed, the husband ('how it works), mindfulness and the hipster
I particularly enjoyed:
'the husband hears as much as 30% of what is said to him'
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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Bought a rose bush "in memorium".It's gone "mad",with the biggest roses I have seen of wonderful concoction of different colours and dozens in production.I like to think it is preparing for the "anniversary" at the end of the month.
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Bloke who opened London restaurant for naked diners says:
meanwhile in Japan
"I've met so many fascinating people, so many liberal people. I've even met people from the North who voted for Brexit.
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meanwhile in Japan
'naked restaurant' to ban customers for being overweight, elderly or tattooed
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Sounds beautiful.HindleA wrote:Bought a rose bush "in memorium".It's gone "mad",with the biggest roses I have seen of wonderful concoction of different colours and dozens in production.I like to think it is preparing for the "anniversary" at the end of the month.
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tinyclanger2 wrote:Bloke who opened London restaurant for naked diners says:"I've met so many fascinating people, so many liberal people. I've even met people from the North who voted for Brexit.
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I dread to think how they, um, stand out from the rest of the crowd.
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Open a restaurant for people with tattoos,overweight or elderly with a special discount for satisfying all.three.
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Tend to favour the left.
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Are you doing another crossword, HA.....?
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Yes,how did you guess?
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I put myth in quotes because I have read contradictory histories about the validity of the story. The site that called it a myth was distinctly pro-Churchillian relying heavily on newspaper reports from the period (which seemed to be solely from the Times, so another strike against), so I didn't put too much faith in their use of the term. However, in the past few months I have also read that the degree of his responsibility isn't known other than he was ostensibly in charge of troops (i.e. it isn't clear if he gave an order to send them in or not or whether they did it off their own bat). So, not being terribly familiar with it given that my schooling was very much of the lionising Churchill because of the war type, I'm being hesitant owing to my lack of knowledge.Temulkar wrote:What myth exactly? He sent the troops into South Wales and bears responsibility for violoence in Tonypandy escalating, and the deaths in Llanelli. He was widely despised on the coalfield by that generation - rightly so.JonnyT1234 wrote:Out of interest, since yahyah has brought up the 45 victory, do any of the resident historians know anything about Tonypandy and its impact? Was the 'myth' of Churchill's involvement widely known and believed at the time? If it was, I can imagine it might have quite an impact on Churchill's electability among the working classes.
And how much or how little truth to the allegations are there/is it possible to discern?
People view churchill through the prism of 1940, espescially as the generation who fought are pretty much gone now, he was basically the Boris Johnson of his day - funnier at least.
In this instance, I was more interested, given the contradictions, in whether the working classes would have known of his apparent role in the striking miners' murders and whether or not they believed it to be true, irrespective of what may have been the case.
If so, it helps to understand how Churchill could so easily have been despised by many working people around the country despite everything that happened during the war. I don't see him being forgiven for being involved in the mass murder of your own just because they were looting to stave off forced starvation by their bosses. It helps me understand the apparent paradox between Churchill the all conquering 'war hero' (education, media) versus Churchill the bad election loser (1945).
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Were they rotten?HindleA wrote:Realise how inflammatory the latest egg production figures might be,but I think never the less we shouldn't ignore them.
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That's wrong. The husband hears 100% of what is said to him. He then chooses to ignore 70% of it while expertly and very convincingly giving the impression that he didn't hear it.tinyclanger2 wrote:have received several 'adult' ladybird books as gifts.
so far have the shed, the husband ('how it works), mindfulness and the hipster
I particularly enjoyed:
'the husband hears as much as 30% of what is said to him'
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my experience is that it's possible to repeat word for word what was said without actually hearing it in any meaningful wayJonnyT1234 wrote:That's wrong. The husband hears 100% of what is said to him. He then chooses to ignore 70% of it while expertly and very convincingly giving the impression that he didn't hear it.tinyclanger2 wrote:have received several 'adult' ladybird books as gifts.
so far have the shed, the husband ('how it works), mindfulness and the hipster
I particularly enjoyed:
'the husband hears as much as 30% of what is said to him'
LET'S FACE IT I'M JUST 'KIN' SEETHIN'
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No, cracking. Apparently.JonnyT1234 wrote:Were they rotten?HindleA wrote:Realise how inflammatory the latest egg production figures might be,but I think never the less we shouldn't ignore them.
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I trust this doesn't presage a spate of eggscruciating yolks.Hobiejoe wrote:No, cracking. Apparently.JonnyT1234 wrote:Were they rotten?HindleA wrote:Realise how inflammatory the latest egg production figures might be,but I think never the less we shouldn't ignore them.
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PorFavor wrote:I trust this doesn't presage a spate of eggscruciating yolks.Hobiejoe wrote:No, cracking. Apparently.JonnyT1234 wrote: Were they rotten?
Be careful telling jokes on here...Tem will turn up and there will be a collective FTN groan when his start coming out!
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I see Wes Streeting is still an arse. On Corbyn's nomination of Chakribati for the Lords:
While it's a good think to campaign for the democratisation of the Lords, Labour can't just give up appointing, as it will just allow the Tories to pack it in their favour.
He really is a muppet.
What? How?Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North, said: “With just one Lords appointment, Corbyn has undermined criticism of Cameron’s list and the remaining credibility of his antisemitism inquiry.”
While it's a good think to campaign for the democratisation of the Lords, Labour can't just give up appointing, as it will just allow the Tories to pack it in their favour.
He really is a muppet.
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As I said before, we can't have people like Chakrabarti in the Lords. She's dedicated herself to offensive stuff like making sure the state doesn't invade your privacy and prosecute people without telling them what their alleged crimes are. She's done absolutely nothing of any worth that would make her an automatic shoo-in for ennoblement. So she's had to go cap in hand to that anti-Semitic, terrorist-sympathising, wife-beating, homophobic hate-mongering, commie bastard Corbyn to beg him for a bauble. Otherwise she'd never, ever, ever have got one.
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PorFavor wrote:I haven't provided a link because there's not much detail (reasons etc) to the story (it's "Breaking News" at the moment).Dame Lowell Goddard resigns as head of child sexual abuse inquiry
Home secretary Amber Rudd announces that head of long-running inquiry into child sexual abuse has resigned (Guardian)
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Just got this message from the Guardian
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How did they know?
"Error 503 Backend is unhealthy"
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Which CLPs are nominating who in the 2016 Labour leadership contest?
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Just spotted this (from yesterday) -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-36962559Owl moved on after blocking Bracknell road (BBC News website)
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Well.
Britain Elects @britainelects 9m9 minutes ago
Silverdale & Parksite (Newcastle under Lyme) result:
LAB: 56.4% (+19.5)
UKIP: 24.6% (-21.2)
CON: 11.3% (-0.4)
IND: 7.6% (+7.6)
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That won.t do.refitman wrote:I see Wes Streeting is still an arse. On Corbyn's nomination of Chakribati for the Lords:What? How?Wes Streeting, Labour MP for Ilford North, said: “With just one Lords appointment, Corbyn has undermined criticism of Cameron’s list and the remaining credibility of his antisemitism inquiry.”
While it's a good think to campaign for the democratisation of the Lords, Labour can't just give up appointing, as it will just allow the Tories to pack it in their favour.
He really is a muppet.
Look at the other appointments in that list made by Labour.
There are none.
It is an embarrassment