Saturday 25th and Sunday 26th June 2016

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 4:56 pm

Sky just said 'the senior members of SC will be resigning today and the more junior ones tomorrow'

Made me laugh out loud....

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 4:57 pm

Alice in Wonderland anyone?

Pete Bowyer
‏@CllrPeteBowyer
Told by source close to @jonlansman that @PeoplesMomentum to cut @jeremycorbyn loose in favour of unifier @johnmcdonnellMP. Statement soon.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 4:58 pm

Things change after a certain age don't they OhSo ?

When you are young and fit you think 'Oh, I'll get a second job to help pay the bills', or 'well, if we end on a park bench we'll manage somehow'. When those options wane, things feel very unsettled.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 4:59 pm

Bob has a song for all situations, I feel this one suits our times
Only A Pawn In Their Game
http://bobdylan.com/songs/only-pawn-their-game/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:01 pm

And this spreading out the resignations. Childish posturing.

If they were mine, I'd have sunk my toe up their arses long ago. I have nil patience with hypocrisy and having to suffer fools.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:02 pm

Rebecca wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Will Corbyn lead Labour taking the UK out of the EU?

Meaning?

I wondered if anyone has read or heard anything more recent from Corbyn regarding his plans as Labour leader following the EU referendum outcome. The last I read was his statement linked below.

https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status ... 8454725632

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:04 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
Mark Urban (@MarkUrban01)
June 26, 2016
Today's statements in EU27: they're not offering new deal to UK,but urging more time in hope Brit political earthquake causes Brexit rethink
Nobody (serious)* wants this to happen, so why is it?

*apologies in advance to anyone offended. am attempting to remain civil but don't entirely feel it.
Anybody who thinks Brexit is not going to happen is deluding themselves, in my view.

It doesn't make any sense to do it, so why do it? The referendum was stupid and advisory. Scotland will secede. Mature leadership could and should avert all of this. The country is divided and nasty anyway - pulling out of the EU won't change that.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:05 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: Nobody (serious)* wants this to happen, so why is it?

*apologies in advance to anyone offended. am attempting to remain civil but don't entirely feel it.
Anybody who thinks Brexit is not going to happen is deluding themselves, in my view.
It doesn't make any sense to do it, so why do it? The referendum was stupid and advisory. Scotland will secede. Mature leadership could and should avert all of this. The country is divided and nasty anyway - pulling out of the EU won't change that.

Agreed.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:06 pm

Leave campaign hq or possibly Labour PLP (delete as applicable) [youtube]sRJby3PCfbo[/youtube]

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:08 pm

Rowena Mason thinks Labour MPs are going to indulge in industrial action against the leadership.
Non co-operation, no support at PMQs to make Corbyn resign.

I despair.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:08 pm

I'm pretty sure that if the referendum was rerun tomorrow then Remain would scrape through but to actually rerun is pretty much an impossibility and any attempt to ignore the result will not go down well at all with the electorate

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:09 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Willow904 wrote: I can see that Labour has lost so much support, and is on the verge of losing so much more, that it really doesn't matter any more. I am so angry about the mess the Tories have made with this referendum. Tristram Hunt channelled that anger on Newsnight the other night, he took the words out of my mouth when the leave guy was back tracking on the 350m for the NHS and he said " but I saw it on a bus!". He was articulating what I felt in a way Jeremy Corbyn never has at any point if his leadership. Corbyn's response to the leave vote has confirmed for me that he doesn't share my perspective and he can't adequately represent me. I would vote for a party with Tristram Hunt and Vince Cable in it and you clearly wouldn't, so it seems to me that if you won't stretch to meet me, you must understand why I'm finding it so hard to stretch to meet you. And the "broad church" is no more.
As no doubt you will eventually discover, young master Tristram will say whatever suits the moment.
He doesn't want the UK broken up and out of the EU. He'd have raised more hell about Corbyn than he's done the last ten months if he were merely a brat.

A brat, no.

An opportunistic, calculating pursuer of whatever is in Tristram's best interests on the other hand...

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Rowena Mason thinks Labour MPs are going to indulge in industrial action against the leadership.
Non co-operation, no support at PMQs to make Corbyn resign.

I despair.

children

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:12 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Rowena Mason thinks Labour MPs are going to indulge in industrial action against the leadership.
Non co-operation, no support at PMQs to make Corbyn resign.

I despair.

children

My thoughts exactly. Toys out of pram time.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:12 pm

Robert Harris has just re-joined.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:12 pm

This should never have gone to a referendum and it shouldn't go to another one. We should just not do it.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:12 pm

Rebecca wrote:
Temulkar wrote:The get rid of Corbyn plan with no idea of what next is a mirror of the get out of europe with no idea of what comes next and really indicative of the failure of our political class. The naked emperor at the heart of our politics is really being exposed.

I saw the look in Stephen Kinock's eyes earlier as the kid from momentum destroyed his arguments, a look of naked ambition for himself, just as potential Tata buyers in Port Talbot are pulling out cos of the instability in our politics. A better example of the failure of our establishment that that red prince degenerate scion of greed and avarice, I cannot imagine.
'red prince degenerate scion of greed and avarice'?

i hope that line is from one of your books!

Partly ripped off fron Oscar Wilde, so.... his genius not mine.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:13 pm

yahyah wrote:Things change after a certain age don't they OhSo ?

When you are young and fit you think 'Oh, I'll get a second job to help pay the bills', or 'well, if we end on a park bench we'll manage somehow'. When those options wane, things feel very unsettled.

Yes. When you're young uncertainty is adventure, choices.

Being physically unable to do the things you once did restricts choices and your world shrinks. You become far more dependent on others. On their decisions.
Ironically when you're trying to arrange your life so you don't become a burden or dependent on others, you still are. The win, win option is gone.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:14 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:This should never have gone to a referendum and it shouldn't go to another one. We should just not do it.

Agree. I can't help feeling it'll be even more dangerous than the first one.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:19 pm

Well done Labour.

OhSo's feeling like never voting again.
I am thinking of voting Lib Dem if they stand on an anti-Brexit ticket at a snap election, despite a lifetime of not agreeing with people who vote for one issue only, and having voted Labour at every general election of my voting life.
My husband, who's voted Labour since his first vote, shocked me today by saying he will no longer be almost automatically thinking of voting Labour in the future.
He's been less than impressed with some of the lack of enthusiasm by Corbyn during the referendum campaign, not to mention the 'moderates' stirring the pot and creating anti-Labour headlines.

But, never mind, Robert Harris is back, and he is worth more in donations than us.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:21 pm

Tom Watson is "deeply saddened" about the sacking of Hilary Benn. (BBC News)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:22 pm

Anyone spotted Osborne yet?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:22 pm

He hasn't died. He's ~~resigned.~~, sorry been sacked.
It's all getting a bit hazy.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:23 pm

Labour in crisis: shadow ministers resign in protest against Corbyn
Overnight dismissal of shadow foreign secretary Hilary Benn followed by resignations of eight other high-profile Labour MPs

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... emy-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It shouldn't be like this. Stay together. If it's best for country, people and Labour for Corbyn to go, it should have come from Corbyn
himself to announce he'd leave. I've confidence in Corbyn to act in the best interests of country, people and Labour. I could be
wrong. Regardless, to have this upheaval now in the Labour party when the country requires responsible action is awful.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:23 pm

Tom Watson also said that he was generally saddened about the whole situation (I paraphrase). I can't help thinking that he's playing both ends against the middle here.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:24 pm

citizenJA wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:Anybody who thinks Brexit is not going to happen is deluding themselves, in my view.
It doesn't make any sense to do it, so why do it? The referendum was stupid and advisory. Scotland will secede. Mature leadership could and should avert all of this. The country is divided and nasty anyway - pulling out of the EU won't change that.
Agreed.

Agree too. And sorry, but I have one of my uneasy feelings still ...

Who could have thought that less than two weeks ago a politician would be murdered [and look how quickly that's dropped from sight] That four days ago the UK would commit political suicide, three days ago we had a PM, and two days ago we at least had an opposition.

How much worse can it get? Pluck some fantasy scenario out of thin air and it'll probably turn into reality by next weekend.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:26 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Anyone spotted Osborne yet?

Some wicked folk have linked Natalie Rowe being evicted from the Big Brother House as being connected with his disappearance.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:27 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Temulkar wrote:The get rid of Corbyn plan with no idea of what next is a mirror of the get out of europe with no idea of what comes next
Must admit that that thought crossed my mind, too. I'm hoping something more concrete emerges fairly swiftly.

I wouldn't expect it now. The successor wants to "emerge".

Carwyn Jones is closer to Port Talbot than most. Wants Corbyn gone.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:27 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
How much worse can it get? Pluck some fantasy scenario out of thin air and it'll probably turn into reality by next weekend.

Scotland will leave and the "English" will be reviled, not to mention ridiculed, the world over.
We are a joke.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:28 pm

yahyah wrote:Well done Labour.

OhSo's feeling like never voting again.
I am thinking of voting Lib Dem if they stand on an anti-Brexit ticket at a snap election, despite a lifetime of not agreeing with people who vote for one issue only, and having voted Labour at every general election of my voting life.
My husband, who's voted Labour since his first vote, shocked me today by saying he will no longer be almost automatically thinking of voting Labour in the future.
He's been less than impressed with some of the lack of enthusiasm by Corbyn during the referendum campaign, not to mention the 'moderates' stirring the pot and creating anti-Labour headlines.

But, never mind, Robert Harris is back, and he is worth more in donations than us.

Sorry, but Robert who? Genuinely doesn't ring a bell, but I'm sure the country will be eternally grateful for his support for a bunch of rebels.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:31 pm

yahyah wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Anyone spotted Osborne yet?

Some wicked folk have linked Natalie Rowe being evicted from the Big Brother House as being connected with his disappearance.

A few days ago, Ephie said he was actually at a finance meeting in the EU. There's been so much happening but once upon a time, if there was a crisis and a senior minister was abroad, reporters would travel to wherever they were to interview them and get their opinion.

And they haven't ... Which is weird.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:31 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Well done Labour.

OhSo's feeling like never voting again.
I am thinking of voting Lib Dem if they stand on an anti-Brexit ticket at a snap election, despite a lifetime of not agreeing with people who vote for one issue only, and having voted Labour at every general election of my voting life.
My husband, who's voted Labour since his first vote, shocked me today by saying he will no longer be almost automatically thinking of voting Labour in the future.
He's been less than impressed with some of the lack of enthusiasm by Corbyn during the referendum campaign, not to mention the 'moderates' stirring the pot and creating anti-Labour headlines.

But, never mind, Robert Harris is back, and he is worth more in donations than us.
Sorry, but Robert who? Genuinely doesn't ring a bell, but I'm sure the country will be eternally grateful for his support for a bunch of rebels.

The author, Enigma, and the one about what if Hitler had won. Bit of a Blairite apparently.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:33 pm

From one of Murdoch's US papers.
I know I've got an over active imagination, but to me, it has fascistic overtones

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:33 pm

You know I think the plotters have blown it, Ive been watching them and they honestly thought that they could force him to resign, this isnt about another contest, they know they would lose it; they don't have the numbers, watson and burnham have come out behind corbyn, and now the unions and the NEC. If they really try to go ahead with sabotaging PMQs, then the I think the NEC will change the rules around deselection.

They dont have the numbers in the PLP or the party, Im more and more convinced that this is about chilcott than ever.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:34 pm

& Harris wrote The Ghost, about a Blair-like PM.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:37 pm

yahyah wrote:Well done Labour.

OhSo's feeling like never voting again.
I am thinking of voting Lib Dem if they stand on an anti-Brexit ticket at a snap election, despite a lifetime of not agreeing with people who vote for one issue only, and having voted Labour at every general election of my voting life.
My husband, who's voted Labour since his first vote, shocked me today by saying he will no longer be almost automatically thinking of voting Labour in the future.
He's been less than impressed with some of the lack of enthusiasm by Corbyn during the referendum campaign, not to mention the 'moderates' stirring the pot and creating anti-Labour headlines.

But, never mind, Robert Harris is back, and he is worth more in donations than us.

Be assured Ohso won't vote again.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:38 pm

Call me mad, but for any with leadership ambitions it wouldn't be a bad idea for them to join the SC, if asked

Raise their profile, don't come across as disloyal when it comes to their appeal to the CLP in any future leadership elections.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:39 pm

yahyah wrote:& Harris wrote The Ghost, about a Blair-like PM.

Right. Oh well, just because he can write, doesn't mean his intelligence is up to much.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:42 pm

I've just had an email from Momentum and it calls for support for Corbyn.
I thought we were told earlier Momentum are plotting to oust Jez for McDonnell ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:44 pm

Hobiejoe wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Well done Labour.

OhSo's feeling like never voting again.
I am thinking of voting Lib Dem if they stand on an anti-Brexit ticket at a snap election, despite a lifetime of not agreeing with people who vote for one issue only, and having voted Labour at every general election of my voting life.
My husband, who's voted Labour since his first vote, shocked me today by saying he will no longer be almost automatically thinking of voting Labour in the future.
He's been less than impressed with some of the lack of enthusiasm by Corbyn during the referendum campaign, not to mention the 'moderates' stirring the pot and creating anti-Labour headlines.

But, never mind, Robert Harris is back, and he is worth more in donations than us.
Sorry, but Robert who? Genuinely doesn't ring a bell, but I'm sure the country will be eternally grateful for his support for a bunch of rebels.
The author, Enigma, and the one about what if Hitler had won. Bit of a Blairite apparently.

I never know quite what to make of him politically.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:46 pm

Temulkar wrote:You know I think the plotters have blown it, Ive been watching them and they honestly thought that they could force him to resign, this isnt about another contest, they know they would lose it; they don't have the numbers, watson and burnham have come out behind corbyn, and now the unions and the NEC. If they really try to go ahead with sabotaging PMQs, then the I think the NEC will change the rules around deselection.

They dont have the numbers in the PLP or the party, Im more and more convinced that this is about chilcott than ever.

Hadn't thought of that but it is weird behaviour even for politicians ... I don't think I've ever seen the like.

If you're correct, I wonder what boy wonder thought it up?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:46 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 04351.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
more jobs going

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:48 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 04191.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
great how we've gone back to the 80s.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:50 pm

Falconer gone now

Getting a bit boring now...and the football is on so not many people will notice

Tomorrow the focus is going to be on Market Crash Day 2 and the focus back on what we need to be doing to stop implosion

If they don't get Corbyn today then I think events are going to dominate the headlines.....

The vacuum at the centre of Government cannot last much longer and Farage will be on full rant mode

Tuesday sees Cameron getting his arse handed to him by the EU-27

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:52 pm

Things are going from bad to worse -ohsocynical has taken to referring to herself in the third person!

Charles Falconer has resigned (BBC News)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:52 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Hobiejoe wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Sorry, but Robert who? Genuinely doesn't ring a bell, but I'm sure the country will be eternally grateful for his support for a bunch of rebels.
The author, Enigma, and the one about what if Hitler had won. Bit of a Blairite apparently.
I never know quite what to make of him politically.

Remember now I've read a couple of his books ... More proof of how bad I am at names.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:54 pm

@howsillyofme1

Whoops!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:57 pm

Angela Merkel ‏@Queen_Europe 4h4 hours ago

BREXIT DAY 3. No PM. No opposition. Banks preparing to leave. UK being governed via a column in the Daily Telegraph.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 5:59 pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... t-11527828" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Liverpool stays (same day as London stays)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 26 Jun, 2016 6:00 pm

Has anyone read Philip Roth's The Plot Against America ?

The Murdoch front cover puts me in mind of that. The gradual move to fascism, cheer led by the great and the good. It's a literary version of a 'what if'. FD Roosevelt loses the presidency to a right wing puppet candidate Charles Lindbergh.

Well worth reading, but maybe a bit too close to home with Farage here, and Trump in the US.