Tuesday, 9th August 2016
Posted: Tue 09 Aug, 2016 7:57 am
Good morfternoon.
And this is before China has got us over a barrel in any physical way.China warns UK relations are at 'historical juncture' over Hinkley Point
Ambassador to Britain stresses need for trust as PM’s attitude to controversial nuclear project remains unclear (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... al-nuclearEDF decision on Hinkley Point should be declared void, say French unions
Senior board members accused of knowing of probable delay in UK government approval before vote on nuclear project(Guardian)
Hello! Sorry about that. Initially, I didn't spot that you'd already kicked us off for the day and, once I did, I tried to respond on your thread but I couldn't get it to react.utopiandreams wrote:Good morning.
Quite frankly that Kuenssberg piece was a waste of time, largely being a rerun of clips from the referendum rather than additional in or hindsight, so nothing new. As for this China and Hinkley Point thing, oh dear what does it say of Britain now? Personally I'm not strongly against nuclear as a stop gap, it had it's place in the past but now it's far too late but regarding trade deals if Brexit means Brexit... then I don't know what to think. I'm not suggesting we should go ahead merely to save face btw, but how the fuck did we get here?
'And while I'm here I think it pertinent to say that contrary to popular belief I ain't some old fart, so if you, and you know who you are, don't butt out I'll set your nanny on you. Seriously though it's only a problem I associate with tinned baked beans, besides haven't you heard the expression full of beans? During my more abstinent days I did find them euphoric; wholewheat grain was a buzz too.
Reposted here since... Well let's not upset anybody.
utopiandreams wrote:Good morning.
Quite frankly that Kuenssberg piece was a waste of time, largely being a rerun of clips from the referendum rather than additional in or hindsight, so nothing new. As for this China and Hinkley Point thing, oh dear what does it say of Britain now? Personally I'm not strongly against nuclear as a stop gap, it had it's place in the past but now it's far too late but regarding trade deals if Brexit means Brexit... then I don't know what to think. I'm not suggesting we should go ahead merely to save face btw, but how the fuck did we get here?
'And while I'm here I think it pertinent to say that contrary to popular belief I ain't some old fart, so if you, and you know who you are, don't butt out I'll set your nanny on you. Seriously though it's only a problem I associate with tinned baked beans, besides haven't you heard the expression full of beans? During my more abstinent days I did find them euphoric; wholewheat grain was a buzz too.
Reposted here since... Well let's not upset anybody.
I don't think Andy Burnham will get it. But I'm notoriously bad at predictions so I may have have just done him a big favour.StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.
I find clearing the air after old farts is best for all present.
Greater Manchester Mayor candidate announced today, anyone care to make a prediction?
Can anyone take another 4 weeks?Owen Smith has called for the Labour leadership election to be extended after the High Court ruled some 130,000 new members could not be barred from voting in the contest .
It came as Labour confirmed it was to appeal the decision, which would tear apart the party's bid to block anyone who joined after January 12.
Mr Smith is likely to ask for the polling deadline to be delayed for up to a month,
But would delay the result until after the party's annual conference, leaving the challenger without a platform at the event.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ush-reagan'Dangerous' Trump: 50 key Republicans sign letter warning against candidate
National security and foreign policy officials from GOP administrations dating back decades say candidate would be history’s ‘most reckless’ US president (Guardian)
The 130000 kinda expected to have been allowed a vote. There's no reason to have an extension IMHO.tinybgoat wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ow ... ip-8589979
Can anyone take another 4 weeks?Owen Smith has called for the Labour leadership election to be extended after the High Court ruled some 130,000 new members could not be barred from voting in the contest .
It came as Labour confirmed it was to appeal the decision, which would tear apart the party's bid to block anyone who joined after January 12.
Mr Smith is likely to ask for the polling deadline to be delayed for up to a month,
But would delay the result until after the party's annual conference, leaving the challenger without a platform at the event.
Oops.Birbalsingh faced criticism – both in the press and on social media – last week for threatening “lunch isolation” for a child the school claimed was behind on lunch payments. “They will receive a sandwich and a piece of fruit only. They will spend the entire 60 minutes in lunch isolation,” read a letter, seemingly signed by the school’s deputy head, Barry Smith.
However, Birbalsingh has now told us the letter was neither written nor signed by Smith – and was sent without the approval of the school’s leadership team.
She said: “Offices often put signatures in for people, that’s normal practice. But this letter was sent without [the senior leadership team’s] approval – a mistake on the office’s part.”
You have to wonder whether they learned anything from the debacle over forced academisation.But Mr Pritchard told BBC Radio 4's World At One: 'I don't think there's any political legitimacy for the policy and I doubt there would be enough support within the parliamentary party in the Commons.
'It would be a significant shift in Conservative education policy and personally, I'd have to see the detail of any Bill, and I suspect it would have to be a Bill in a new Queen's Speech.'
The Wrekin MP added: 'It wasn't in the party manifesto, it therefore lacks political legitimacy, and I doubt it would have the support of the parliamentary party.
The need for a delay because of the administrative toll is pretty obvious, I would have thought, because the overlap between recent members and registered supporters has to be unravelled before ballots can be issued. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.RobertSnozers wrote:If they've been living in a cave without wifi for the last two months it's concievable that they might need a bit more time to examine the candidatesStephenDolan wrote:The 130000 kinda expected to have been allowed a vote. There's no reason to have an extension IMHO.tinybgoat wrote:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ow ... ip-8589979
Can anyone take another 4 weeks?
Then they shouldn't have been so effing stupid as to try to fix the result in such an effing stupid and blatantly obviously stinkingly evil way.Willow904 wrote:The need for a delay because of the administrative toll is pretty obvious, I would have thought, because the overlap between recent members and registered supporters has to be unravelled before ballots can be issued. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.RobertSnozers wrote:If they've been living in a cave without wifi for the last two months it's concievable that they might need a bit more time to examine the candidatesStephenDolan wrote: The 130000 kinda expected to have been allowed a vote. There's no reason to have an extension IMHO.
@mbc1955:-mbc1955 wrote:Then they shouldn't have been so effing stupid as to try to fix the result in such an effing stupid and blatantly obviously stinkingly evil way.Willow904 wrote:The need for a delay because of the administrative toll is pretty obvious, I would have thought, because the overlap between recent members and registered supporters has to be unravelled before ballots can be issued. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.RobertSnozers wrote: If they've been living in a cave without wifi for the last two months it's concievable that they might need a bit more time to examine the candidates
How can anyone possibly vote into power such a bunch of completely incompetent, brainless, self-serving self-stimulators who've shown such a blatant eagerness to openly cheat to try to get into power?
There is no "Momentum takeover of the NEC" - the left won four of the six constituency places two years ago.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting on the Momentum takeover of the NEC
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pessimism from S W-L who seems to accept Corbyn will win
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... ainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
Ha, indeed.RobertSnozers wrote:The NEC elections are a huge deal, in my opinion, but that pales into insignificance compared with my desire to see the look on Luke Akehurst's face.HindleA wrote:http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/
"What we learnt from the NEC results"
I'm not proud of myself, but you have to take these moments of happiness when they come
Aww come on Hugo, think of the crowds, thousands, all that energy.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting on the Momentum takeover of the NEC
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pessimism from S W-L who seems to accept Corbyn will win
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... ainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
I expect that Burnham will stay on in the SC until the leadership election. After that, who knows?SpinningHugo wrote:So
Who replaces Burnham as shadow Home Sec? Who is there?
By-election in Leigh. Any interest in it? About as safe Labour as it gets, they weigh the vote.
The most (only?) interesting thing I have heard Burnham say is that he doesn't think the Smiths sound very good now. An interesting change of view. Or flip-flop, if you will. (I agree with him.)
Ann Black was one of the people on the NEC who voted for the cut off, I believe, and has just been voted back on, at the top of the list with over 100,000 votes. We get what we vote for, perhaps?mbc1955 wrote:Then they shouldn't have been so effing stupid as to try to fix the result in such an effing stupid and blatantly obviously stinkingly evil way.Willow904 wrote:The need for a delay because of the administrative toll is pretty obvious, I would have thought, because the overlap between recent members and registered supporters has to be unravelled before ballots can be issued. It's going to be expensive and time consuming.RobertSnozers wrote: If they've been living in a cave without wifi for the last two months it's concievable that they might need a bit more time to examine the candidates
How can anyone possibly vote into power such a bunch of completely incompetent, brainless, self-serving self-stimulators who've shown such a blatant eagerness to openly cheat to try to get into power?
When the Tories had a majority of 144?SpinningHugo wrote:
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
You want safe? If Rotheram wins, that's one safe seat up for grabs!AnatolyKasparov wrote:I expect that Burnham will stay on in the SC until the leadership election. After that, who knows?SpinningHugo wrote:So
Who replaces Burnham as shadow Home Sec? Who is there?
By-election in Leigh. Any interest in it? About as safe Labour as it gets, they weigh the vote.
The most (only?) interesting thing I have heard Burnham say is that he doesn't think the Smiths sound very good now. An interesting change of view. Or flip-flop, if you will. (I agree with him.)
If it is Corbyn re-elected, then I expect he will try to build bridges with the soft-left/pragmatic element in the PLP.
He has to, and contrary to what some of his opponents think I don't think he is delusional enough not to view it as needed.
Yes, something may turn up. A recession is coming and there is no good way forward on Brexit, I agree.RogerOThornhill wrote:When the Tories had a majority of 144?SpinningHugo wrote:
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
And their majority now?
12 and the chances of an early GE fairly remote.
4 years is a long time in politics...esp. with the Brexit ministers seemingly not having a clue as to what to do now.
Yes, but other things being equal it can be argued that crowds and energy are better than no crowds and no energy?letsskiptotheleft wrote:Aww come on Hugo, think of the crowds, thousands, all that energy.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting on the Momentum takeover of the NEC
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pessimism from S W-L who seems to accept Corbyn will win
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... ainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
Which is why I queried the other day if union members voting for Smith over Corbyn might raise issues for Union leaders - well, McCluskey at Unite at any rate. He's up for re-election in a couple of years, propping up a Labour leader unpopular with union members would be awkward.AnatolyKasparov wrote:There is no "Momentum takeover of the NEC" - the left won four of the six constituency places two years ago.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting on the Momentum takeover of the NEC
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pessimism from S W-L who seems to accept Corbyn will win
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... ainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
And a Corbyn-sceptic MP - George Howarth - is set to replace Dennis Skinner on the new body, so overall pro-Corbyn forces are up just one seat.
It depends on what the unions do (as so often in the past) Right now most of them are supporting Jez, but that is very much a defensive move borne of their fear that much of the PLP want to reduce union influence further. At the end of the day, they are still ultimately pragmatic organisations who want Labour in power.
I think you're missing the significance of the shift. The (clear and easy) victory of the entire Momentum slate is evidence of how the party membership has changed. Pope is good on this. The significance is not about the small shift in immediate balance of power in the NEC, but about what is to come.AnatolyKasparov wrote:There is no "Momentum takeover of the NEC" - the left won four of the six constituency places two years ago.SpinningHugo wrote:Interesting on the Momentum takeover of the NEC
http://labourlist.org/2016/08/what-did- ... c-results/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pessimism from S W-L who seems to accept Corbyn will win
https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... ainlyMacro+(mainly+macro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
When was politics last this bleak? 1983?
And a Corbyn-sceptic MP - George Howarth - is set to replace Dennis Skinner on the new body, so overall pro-Corbyn forces are up just one seat.
It depends on what the unions do (as so often in the past) Right now most of them are supporting Jez, but that is very much a defensive move borne of their fear that much of the PLP want to reduce union influence further. At the end of the day, they are still ultimately pragmatic organisations who want Labour in power.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:SpinningHugo wrote:
If it is Corbyn re-elected, then I expect he will try to build bridges with the soft-left/pragmatic element in the PLP.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The "right" slate did not help themselves by having de facto seven candidates (since Izzard was effectively, if not formally, one of them)
If the internal climate in the party cools down, then we may get less rigidly organised "slate" voting. As was the case in the past.
I'm not so sure. The organisation from Momentum to get their preferred candidates elected was far more slick and professional than the "right" slate or either of the slates last year. Changing the make-up of the NEC was communicated as high priority to Momentum members and followers within Labour and the results do suggest a high proportion of Labour members are now also Momentum members. While general non-partisan Labour members mixed and matched, Momentum members were rigid in their commitment in following their instructions on how to vote, regardless of the clear weaknesses of a couple of the candidates. At least that's how it looks to me. I suppose the real question is what happens to Momentum when Corbyn is no longer leader. Is it anything, without its figurehead to rally round?AnatolyKasparov wrote:The "right" slate did not help themselves by having de facto seven candidates (since Izzard was effectively, if not formally, one of them)
If the internal climate in the party cools down, then we may get less rigidly organised "slate" voting. As was the case in the past.
Charming, huh.I've shared the result on the website. Rancid Luke got 48 thousand and was well down on the list.