Thursday 18th August 2016

Post by **refitman** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 7:58 am

Morning all.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 8:16 am

Thanks to CitizenJA for this

michael-moore-donald-trump-does-not-want-to-be-president

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/a ... -president" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Several weeks ago I had the odd thought that Trump would tell us all that he’d only been kidding and resign from his candidacy .

” “Maybe the meltdown of the past three weeks was no accident,” writes Moore. “Maybe it’s all part of his new strategy to get the hell out of a race he never intended to see through to its end anyway.”

Moore finally suggests that Trump would give up the Republican nomination rather than lose on election night.

“Trust me, I’ve met the guy. Spent an afternoon with him,” he writes. “He would rather invite the Clintons AND the Obamas to his next wedding than have that scarlet letter (“L”) branded on his forehead seconds after the last polls have closed on that night.”

An increasingly crazy world ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 8:30 am

A distraction from Labour's woes provided by Ukip.

Nathan Gill wants to stay on as a Ukip MEP, and leader of the Welsh kippers.
But he has issued a statement to say he has 'decided to break away from the Ukip group in the Assembly' and wants to be an Independent AM.

His record of attendance and voting at the Assembly has been shockingly low, so may be best for his constituents if he just resigned as an AM.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/polit ... e-11760815" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 8:33 am

Hard not to think Trump is some form of performance art.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 8:35 am

yahyah wrote:Hard not to think Trump is some form of performance art.

Fiction trumping reality !

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 8:48 am

Or maybe an experiment set up by psychologists to find out how susceptible voters can be to charlatans.
Even if he drops out, it surely can't be good for the Republicans to have allowed him to get so far.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:10 am

Think of the most cringeworthy events in one's own life , and multiply by the millions of suckers who were taken in by him .

You need two parties to maintain the continued fiction of a functioning democracy, so in this time of national emergency both parties might agree to cooperate .

The CIA could oblige in manufacturing the cover-story by faking a serious heart condition for example .

Or alternatively a 'natural' demise .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:18 am

Good morfternoon.

We (ohsocynical?) mentioned this the other day -

Union dispute disrupts Labour conference preparations

Talks between GMB union and only bidder for conference security contract broke down this week

No security arrangements are yet in place for Labour’s annual conference in Liverpool next month after talks broke down between the GMB union and the one remaining bidder for the contract.

The GMB told the Guardian it had asked Labour to cut its ties with Showsec, the Liverpool company lined up to provide conference security after the party’s national executive committee voted to boycott G4S.

It leaves the conference still without a confirmed security provider less than six weeks before it is due to open. (Guardian)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... eparations

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:21 am

Not so long ago Moore was saying that he thought Trump would become president (he'd predicted Trump would get the republican nomination) and outlined his thought process.

On a professional level, a Trump presidency would be a goldmine for Moore!

And morning all.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:23 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

We (ohsocynical?) mentioned this the other day -

Union dispute disrupts Labour conference preparations

Talks between GMB union and only bidder for conference security contract broke down this week

No security arrangements are yet in place for Labour’s annual conference in Liverpool next month after talks broke down between the GMB union and the one remaining bidder for the contract.

The GMB told the Guardian it had asked Labour to cut its ties with Showsec, the Liverpool company lined up to provide conference security after the party’s national executive committee voted to boycott G4S.

It leaves the conference still without a confirmed security provider less than six weeks before it is due to open. (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... eparations

Sounds like a provisional MOU between the union and the company to get through the conference period would suffice. Bad PR all round if it doesn't go ahead. I blame Corbyn

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:30 am

StephenDolan wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

We (ohsocynical?) mentioned this the other day -

Union dispute disrupts Labour conference preparations

Talks between GMB union and only bidder for conference security contract broke down this week

No security arrangements are yet in place for Labour’s annual conference in Liverpool next month after talks broke down between the GMB union and the one remaining bidder for the contract.

The GMB told the Guardian it had asked Labour to cut its ties with Showsec, the Liverpool company lined up to provide conference security after the party’s national executive committee voted to boycott G4S.

It leaves the conference still without a confirmed security provider less than six weeks before it is due to open. (Guardian)
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... eparations

Sounds like a provisional MOU between the union and the company to get through the conference period would suffice. Bad PR all round if it doesn't go ahead. I blame Corbyn

It would be a bit of a disaster. I thought it was all sorted out. That's what I read the other day, anyhow.

Edited to add -

Forgot to say - a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) appears, from the article, to be a non-starter at least for the present.

Edited (again)

How many commas?

discordantharmony · Post by **discordantharmony** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:40 am

Good Morning. WRT Trump, I think I read somewhere that even if he pulls out of the race and the GOP replace him, that his name would still be on the ballot.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:47 am

Morning all.

A level results day...I took mine at college while I was working as I made a complete mess of my O levels first time round and ended up retaking/taking new subjects (I blame the West Indies tour of 1976 as a distraction).

When my results seemed to be taking a long time to come I phoned the college from work on the only outside line in the office (those were the days...).

"Have you got a pen?"
"Hang on" (thinking she was going to give me a number to call)
"Right...Accounts etc"
"Oh. Thanks!"

None of this turning up en masse and jumping in the air for cameras. Very low key.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:17 am

discordantharmony wrote:Good Morning. WRT Trump, I think I read somewhere that even if he pulls out of the race and the GOP replace him, that his name would still be on the ballot.

Correct. In reality, it is too late to withdraw.

The only thing that could change the ballot now is death (in which case, it is possible the election could be delayed - Congress has the power to effect that)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:51 am

yahyah wrote:Hard not to think Trump is some form of performance art.

It's a polite description of what Trump is!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:54 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote: The only thing that could change the ballot now is death

Spoken with the rasping delivery popular in trailers for trashy American action films . . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:05 am

Good-morning, everyone.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:57 am

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JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:58 am

frog222 wrote:Or alternatively a 'natural' demise .

Attacked and killed by his own hair, "I just couldn't take being glued to such an idiot any more, yer honour!"

I'd believe it.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:00 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote: The only thing that could change the ballot now is death

Yeah, but only if we saw the certificate. And even then... we wouldn't believe.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:09 pm

yahyah wrote:Hard not to think Trump is some form of performance art.

"Everything she does is theatrical..."

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tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:30 pm

http://www.inusanews.com/article/475334 ... nton-trump

Green Party candidate Jill Stein says she has a chance to become the next U.S. president, despite the big task of overcoming what is largely a two-party system when it comes to national elections.

In 2000, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader won just under 3 percent of the vote in an election that many believed Democrat Al Gore lost to Republican George Bush because those voters chose Nader. When asked about that prospect this year, Stein did not see her candidacy that way. “Not splitting the vote, but potentially flipping the vote so that we who are the underdog deserve to be the top dog and actually could be the top dog if we stand up with the courage of our convictions."

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:31 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
frog222 wrote:Or alternatively a 'natural' demise .
Attacked and killed by his own hair, "I just couldn't take being glued to such an idiot any more, yer honour!"

I'd believe it.

Donald Trump's hair and the word "natural" don't sit easily together.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 12:54 pm

Very good point.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 1:02 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
Green Party candidate Jill Stein says she has a chance to become the next U.S. president, despite the big task of overcoming what is largely a two-party system when it comes to national elections.

Sorry, but no she doesn't.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 1:10 pm

If she's successful in angling for Sander's supporters could we be saying hello to President Trump later in the year ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 1:16 pm

Fortunately probably not enough people in Sander's hardcore to let Trump in unless the polls narrow.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/abo ... y-clinton/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 1:22 pm

Not been posting at all recently but more of a lurker.Reasons,firstly out of the country a fair bit to places with intermittent connections. Secondly the "discussions" regarding the leadership and general positioning of the Labour party got somewhat overheated in my view (in particular encouraged by one poster with his/her own agenda) so decided to think a bit before I opened my mouth. Still thinking but working on the basis of the Abraham Lincoln advice Better to remain silent and be thought a fool....................

Anyhow I couple of quick observations on developments that I don't think has been referenced here previously.

Toby Young showing what a complete idiot (once again) he is in the Daily Fascist claiming Olympic success for the tories. Not going to link because of source.

The Murdoch influence on our establishment shows no signs of diminishing. Following Joey Jones (ex Sky political editor) as an "advisor" at No10 is Poppy Trowbridge who up until now has been the Sky consumer affairs person who is going to be a "special advisor" to Phillip Hammond. In addition the PMs joint chief of staff is also ex Sky.

Of course our media is still vigorously holding our establishment/government to account...........My Arse!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 1:57 pm

Rowson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ur-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 2:53 pm

Southern train ceiling collapse leaves commuters shaken

Latest problem to hit embattled operator saw large section of carriage ceiling fall down between Purley Oaks and South Croydon (Guardian)

And the charade of Southern running a "first world" rail service continues.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ers-shaken

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 2:54 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Rowson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ur-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What's that underneath OS chair, a mask?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 2:59 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Rowson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ur-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What's that underneath OS chair, a mask?

I dunno. It's in all his cartoons now, I haven't figured out who it represents yet....Do you remember it used to be bits of Cleggy.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 3:00 pm

May reboots 'northern powerhouse' with £24m cycling pledge (Guardian)

Yes. That's the solution. You Northerners will just have to pedal faster . . .

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... mpionships

Actually, I suppose I ought to add this bit from the header even if it does rather spoil the effect -

PM says government will underwrite Yorkshire’s bid to host cycling world championships as she revives George Osborne’s pet project (Guardian)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 3:02 pm

Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm inclined to agree with his writing here.

I didn’t attack Jeremy Corbyn at the weekend. Westminster was my target

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... get-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 3:05 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Rowson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ur-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What's that underneath OS chair, a mask?
I dunno. It's in all his cartoons now, I haven't figured out who it represents yet....Do you remember it used to be bits of Cleggy.

Think it might be either Blair or Trotsky?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 3:07 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Rowson

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ur-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What's that underneath OS chair, a mask?
I dunno. It's in all his cartoons now, I haven't figured out who it represents yet....Do you remember it used to be bits of Cleggy.

It's Blair's skull. (Skeleton in the closet/malign influence of the living dead metaphor, perhaps).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 3:46 pm

Police renew appeal for information over human feet discovered in Bath

Avon and Somerset officers say the three feet are likely to be exhibits from a medical or educational establishment

Temporary DI Paul Catton said: “We are confident no crime has been committed and strongly believe the feet have come from an old private collection.

“All three feet show signs they have come into contact with animals and it is likely that they have been moved to the locations they were found from a specific source. (Guardian - my emphasis)

This is a job for The Yard. Boom boom!

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... vered-in-b

Edited to tidy up quote

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:01 pm

Can't understand this tbh, if true. Cathy Newman can be a bit annoying sometimes but it is usually less biased than the Beeb.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... ab6d0ba294" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:02 pm

Has Seamus had a spat with his editor ?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:11 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Can't understand this tbh, if true. Cathy Newman can be a bit annoying sometimes but it is usually less biased than the Beeb.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/j ... ab6d0ba294" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Misleading headline (surprise) from the HuffPo. Corbyn isn't saying that in the emails referenced.

As for Maguire, that's a bit snide. He could've said Labour MPs choose to cause split instead of attacking Tories. Nah, let's make it look like it's all Corbyn's fault.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:13 pm

Right. That's me fixed up for the weekend....

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:30 pm

This is yet another opportunity for Si and Kazza to generate More And Bigger Paycheques For Themselves Personally Now. You think I jest? Fame Flynet, their photo agency of choice, has now provided snaps of both to the Sun and Daily Mail.

The Sun’s headline was “Karen Danczuk spotted with gruesome wounds after ‘boozy bust-up’ with estranged hubby Simon over a Spanish waiter … The couple argued over wife's trysts while on a family holiday with their kids”.

http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2016/ ... eques.html

Yet to see any mention of what they might be doing to their two boys. Poor little devils.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:45 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Can't say I'm a big fan, but I'm inclined to agree with his writing here.

I didn’t attack Jeremy Corbyn at the weekend. Westminster was my target

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... get-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On the last sentence, the only one I've seen arguing for 'progressive alliances" is Clive Lewis .

Fav comment for my collecction --

" any progressive leader would fall fowl of our hostile media "

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:53 pm

"Headless chicken" headlines guaranteed.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 4:55 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Right. That's me fixed up for the weekend....

CprmwudWgAE0ClS.jpg

Your place or mine? Your's I think. Mine's a travestite.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:13 pm

It's always easier to talk to a crowd of people who agree with you.
[As I've found out in reverse

]

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:15 pm

Is Simon Danczuk still suspended from the party?
I'm not sure he should continue as an MP. He's clearly got some problems.
As for Karen, she has the typical recidivism that many abused women have - she just keeps on going back....
Unless it's all a stunt, of course; it's odd that the photos went straight to their picture agency.
Strange people.

Just to add a bit of levity to proceedings - we've had knitted Jeremy Corbyns and all sorts.
Now we have a #ThingsOwenDid hashtag (I think it's a little poke at Owen Smith saying how he helped with the NI peace process in his SPAD days) and he is being credited with all manner of good stuff, eg. being the first to climb Everest - from the inside....

The Brownlee brothers are AMAZING.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:19 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:"Headless chicken" headlines guaranteed.

Don't grouse, Jonny, old cock. Wear your game face and keep your capon.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:22 pm

ephemerid wrote:Is Simon Danczuk still suspended from the party?
I'm not sure he should continue as an MP. He's clearly got some problems.
As for Karen, she has the typical recidivism that many abused women have - she just keeps on going back....
Unless it's all a stunt, of course; it's odd that the photos went straight to their picture agency.
Strange people.

Just to add a bit of levity to proceedings - we've had knitted Jeremy Corbyns and all sorts.
Now we have a #ThingsOwenDid hashtag (I think it's a little poke at Owen Smith saying how he helped with the NI peace process in his SPAD days) and he is being credited with all manner of good stuff, eg. being the first to climb Everest - from the inside....

The Brownlee brothers are AMAZING.

Have been watching the Brownlee's. Incredible.

Watched them in 2010 and so good to see them still on top.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:28 pm

ephemerid wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:"Headless chicken" headlines guaranteed.
Don't grouse, Jonny, old cock. Wear your game face and keep your capon.

I'm very disappointed that no-one seems to appreciate my feet in the bath (or feet in Bath) contribution. But I'm not bitter or downhearted . . . .