Thursday 18th August 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:32 pm

John Woodcock isn't happy:

''If you are buried so deep in the bunker that you think the Guardian, Mirror, New Statesman and Channel 4 News are part of a right wing conspiracy to get you, you clearly have no intention of trying to get broad support from the wider public.

''The Barrow-in-Furness MP added ''Mr Corbyn's list of acceptable outlets now stretches little beyond the Morning Star and a few dodgy websites with questionable funding sources. He and Donald Trump should start a transatlantic anti-media self help group''

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... d-guardian" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:35 pm

It made me laugh PF. I thought 'PF's on good form'.
But then I am in a gentle state of hysteria at the moment, finding that laughing at the silliness of it all is the best way forward.

GetYou · Post by **GetYou** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:35 pm

Based on my reasonably frequent visits to HuffPo I would say that they are always keen to run stories denoucing him, however flimsy the sources are.
It's also quite rare to see any stories in support of him there, or if they are, they are slanted in a way that allow them to deride him in some way at the same time.

Guardian: enough said

Don't have a feel for the other two.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:38 pm

Are the Lansman quotes not real then ?

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:40 pm

It's puerile to refuse hustings events on the basis that these, usually slammed as being leftwing, papers might have been critical of him.

How does he think Labour's message will hit the masses if, god forbid, he's leader in 2020 ?!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:45 pm

Didn't Cameron get followed around by someone dressed up as a chicken when he tried to duck out of debates ?

It is a shame, because those are the hustings that would have been interesting to hear about.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:48 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:"Headless chicken" headlines guaranteed.
Don't grouse, Jonny, old cock. Wear your game face and keep your capon.
I'm very disappointed that no-one seems to appreciate my feet in the bath (or feet in Bath) contribution. But I'm not bitter or downhearted . . . .

Flew over my head, sorry.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 5:53 pm

That's what's worrying PK.
The massive elephant in the room is the public's perception of Corbyn.
Hard to see him recovering from that. Sticking heads in the sand about it won't change matters.
Recent polling was dire. Notice no one has wanted to discuss it.

Very sad. Fortunately my household is comfortable, good regular income, savings, no mortgage and no debt.
We can survive without a Labour government. Many can't.
Just don't fancy spending the last decades of my life under Tory rule, watching others suffer.

and don't bother having a go at me anyone, it is my opinion.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:02 pm

Don't you feel the recent dire polling might have a teeny bit to do with the PLP's antics? Am I expected to reward their appalling behaviour?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:10 pm

No one wants to discuss recent polling because (1) it is even more meaningless than ever - Jesus Christ could be leader and the figures would still be in the toilet under these circumstances - and (2) what's the point? It's impossible to know whether the figures are due to people's perception of Corbyn, of the PLP, of Smith, of the membership or just the general impression that Labour are completely and utterly crap irrespective of who's leading them.

You're just going to have to face reality. No matter what happens next, the only way Labour will be in power in 2020 now is if the Tories lose the election by ballsing everything up, not because Labour did something to win it.

If anything, I'd take some encouragement that there are still some people at all who are actually willing to vote Labour.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:24 pm

No one is expecting you to do anything FO.

It is a false dichotomy, in my view, to regard it in terms of 'rewarding' the PLP.
It isn't about punishing or rewarding.
This isn't some cosy infighting down the social club or quiz night.
This is about having an effective party, with good, strong, fair policies that involves some compromise, and showing voters the Labour leader could make an effective PM.

It ain't about the PLP - it is about the people in this country who need a Labour government.

Still, what is the point. There's this embattled PLP/Corbynite war to be won.
Winning the battle is what is important. The war against the Tories has been forgotten.

I cannot vote for Corbyn again as he has shown no sign of admitting he may not be coping with the job, or how he would do it differently if he wins again.
Yes, he's brilliant at speaking to crowds, but so is Trump. It means little to be able to enthuse those already on your side.

I remember feeling great listening to his first conference speech, wishing him to do well, enthused and thinking - maybe he can do it. The track played at the end 'Working on a Building of Love' by Chairman of the Board was brilliant. My husband and I danced to it, both enthusiastic about things changing.
Where's that love that was to be built ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:26 pm

I don't think I'm the one having trouble with reality Jonny.

Night all.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:29 pm

yahyah wrote:I don't think I'm the one having trouble with reality Jonny.

Night all.

Goodnight, yahyah!

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:42 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ephemerid wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:"Headless chicken" headlines guaranteed.
Don't grouse, Jonny, old cock. Wear your game face and keep your capon.
I'm very disappointed that no-one seems to appreciate my feet in the bath (or feet in Bath) contribution. But I'm not bitter or downhearted . . . .

Akshully, Por, I blame you for a little tune going round and round in my head for hours on end...

"Toot toot Tootsie, goodbye
Toot toot Tootsie don't cry"

Incidentally, how many people actually have three feet?
Yardies?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:45 pm

frightful_oik wrote:Don't you feel the recent dire polling might have a teeny bit to do with the PLP's antics? Am I expected to reward their appalling behaviour?

What can Corbyn do about the Labour MPs causing trouble and bad Labour polls?
Labour ship goes down, everyone Labour goes down with it.
I mentioned therapy on last nights' thread.
Labour needs some.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:46 pm

1. Is John Woodcock ever happy?

2. Corbyn really should do those gigs.

3. Polls don't tell us much and haven't for some time.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 6:50 pm

ephemerid wrote:1. Is John Woodcock ever happy?

2. Corbyn really should do those gigs.

3. Polls don't tell us much and haven't for some time.

I've not changed my opinion about polls. They're unreliable. My trust in polls was betrayed in May 2015. I agree Corbyn should do the debates.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 7:44 pm

Ukip Wales leader Nathan Gill under investigation for alleged misuse of European Parliament expenses

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/polit ... ign=buffer

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 9:43 pm

Polls.

They proved unreliable in 2015 because they overestimated Labour support. Looking at the raw data, the adjustments to correct for this have so far been small.

At this point in the electoral cycle polling on leadership and the economy are usually thought better than the headline rate. Labour has been doing badly.

Labour was doing poorly prior to the leadership challenge.

If something isn't working try something else. Nobody likes admitting a mistake.

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:26 pm

kerplunck

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:29 pm

Tories licking their lips

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... efend-nato" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not exactly a shock that Corbin wouldn't comply with NATO treaty obligations of course.

What do we think Attlee would have thought?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 10:52 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Polls.

They proved unreliable in 2015 because they overestimated Labour support. Looking at the raw data, the adjustments to correct for this have so far been small.

At this point in the electoral cycle polling on leadership and the economy are usually thought better than the headline rate. Labour has been doing badly.

Labour was doing poorly prior to the leadership challenge.

If something isn't working try something else. Nobody likes admitting a mistake.

I don't mind admitting or acknowledging my wrong at all. It's essential for me to know if and when I'm wrong in order to stop wrong, fix wrong (if possible), and proceed correct in word and action.

I know Labour is doing poorly, before and after late June 2016. Labour isn't doing well now. Sometimes I don't need to know how crap my political party as a single entity is doing. Don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Labour is in a crisis.

I'm wary of polls. My guess is apathy generation was intentionally cultivated in the 2015 GE and polling data likely persuaded too many to not bother voting. Less than 67% of the UK electorate on the electoral register showed up to vote. That thin, little percentage voter turnout even after a couple million had been tossed off the electoral register! I think complacency was involved in many voters sitting the GE out. If people had known Labour might not be returned to government, they'd likely have made greater effort to vote and do a lot more to help others vote too. Anyway, the 2015 GE is history and I can't change it. I can only learn as much as I can to prevent terrible things happening in the future.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:04 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... arty-staff" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Intolerable attacks on Labour party staff

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:08 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:Tories licking their lips

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... efend-nato" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not exactly a shock that Corbin wouldn't comply with NATO treaty obligations of course.

What do we think Attlee would have thought?

You've spelled Corbyn's name wrong. I don't mind, Corbyn probably doesn't notice and it made me laugh! I'm only writing this to
you because I think you're being deliberately mischievous. Apologies if your mistake is just that and nothing more. I haven't minded
your contributions ever since I confronted my own anger and hurt inside me. I wrote about it. I've genuinely not minded SpinningHugo posts for almost two years. It's a great thing - a lesson SpinningHugo helped teach me.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:20 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... arty-staff

Intolerable attacks on Labour party staff

I'm glad they've written about it. Labour is a big organisation with a lot of different workers trying to get it all done.
Hostility, anxiety and fear turning Labour people on Labour people

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:21 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:27 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:If something isn't working try something else. Nobody likes admitting a mistake.

Says person who never admits their mistakes and wants everyone to carry on doing the same as before.

Yeah, excuse me while I pay no attention to your advice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:37 pm

Going for a Gold in the taekwondo against an armchair,losing at the moment.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:40 pm

HindleA wrote:Going for a Gold in the taekwondo against an armchair,losing at the moment.

They have strong backs and firm arms. Can't say I'm surprised.

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:41 pm

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:42 pm

It is a recliner,it cheats.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:46 pm

You know are becoming grumpy,when you are still bemoaning table tennis and badminton scoring system changes.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:48 pm

You shouldn't be able to get a point when not serving.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:48 pm

HindleA wrote:You know are becoming grumpy,when you are still bemoaning table tennis and badminton scoring system changes.

WHAAAT! When and WHY WASN'T I TOLD?

(For anyone who has never seen it before, the above is the Oxford Dictionary definition of faux outrage.)

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:50 pm

HindleA wrote:It is a recliner,it cheats.

Bloody left leaning seats and their liberally soft ways. We want stiff backs and firm arms.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:52 pm

Volleyball was one of my favourite sports to play I made up with lack of height and stretch with leaping ability and use of head.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:54 pm

Well I was wasting my time,I was replaying a semi-final I had already won.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:56 pm

Think I have won this bronze in the badminton a few times as well,I can't keep up.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:57 pm

HindleA wrote:Volleyball was one of my favourite sports to play I made up with lack of height and stretch with leaping ability and use of head.

Desperately trying not to think you were being smutty with that last bit. But having the mental age of an 11 year old... Failing.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 18 Aug, 2016 11:58 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
HindleA wrote:You know are becoming grumpy,when you are still bemoaning table tennis and badminton scoring system changes.
WHAAAT! When and WHY WASN'T I TOLD?

(For anyone who has never seen it before, the above is the Oxford Dictionary definition of faux outrage.)

Ridiculous travesty.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 12:01 am

HindleA wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
HindleA wrote:You know are becoming grumpy,when you are still bemoaning table tennis and badminton scoring system changes.
WHAAAT! When and WHY WASN'T I TOLD?

(For anyone who has never seen it before, the above is the Oxford Dictionary definition of faux outrage.)

Ridiculous travesty.

As bad as or worse than when they stopped using feathers for their cocks?

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 12:28 am

citizenJA wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Tories licking their lips

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... efend-nato" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not exactly a shock that Corbin wouldn't comply with NATO treaty obligations of course.

What do we think Attlee would have thought?
You've spelled Corbyn's name wrong. I don't mind, Corbyn probably doesn't notice and it made me laugh! I'm only writing this to
you because I think you're being deliberately mischievous. Apologies if your mistake is just that and nothing more. I haven't minded
your contributions ever since I confronted my own anger and hurt inside me. I wrote about it. I've genuinely not minded SpinningHugo posts for almost two years. It's a great thing - a lesson SpinningHugo helped teach me.

"" I've genuinely not minded SpinningHugo posts for almost two years. It's a great thing - a lesson SpinningHugo helped teach me.""

IF ONLY half a dozen others around here had realised that their over-reactions to his posts have been a painful ( to the viewer) example of the deluded seeking a scapegoat for their own weaknesses.

I've noticed a few people complaining about the AGONIES they have suffered when they tell us that Spinning Hugo has been """needling""" them.

Poor delicate souls like that would have been more at home in the better examples of the mental homes before releases into Care in the Community, than in our modern world where there is still some (limited) freedom of expression .

Maybe I'm a throwback to a more robust era, but i have no prob with a declared Blairite saying whatever he has to say .

Those whose chains that they allow him to rattle, and then reply at GREAT LENGTH , have only themselves to blame for their answereings ...

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 12:31 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:
HindleA wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote: WHAAAT! When and WHY WASN'T I TOLD?

(For anyone who has never seen it before, the above is the Oxford Dictionary definition of faux outrage.)

Ridiculous travesty.
As bad as or worse than when they stopped using feathers for their cocks?

Indeed. I grew up in the seventies and eighties and had to make do with plastic...no. I think I'll park that train of thought right there and wander off in the opposite direction.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 12:41 am

This page started with a wooden one,confused now.

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 1:10 am

A frog2 proposition .

That anyone proposing that SpinningHugo should be terminally moderated / ie banned , should themselves be publically denounced .

There are more than a small ha

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 19 Aug, 2016 2:20 am

Well done Jade Jones.