Weekend Edition - Sat.20th.August/Sun.21st.August 2016

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:15 pm

I'm starting a new board, Nesting Flies, where the participants will do nothing but endlessly 'discuss' how the splitting of Fly the Nest is the only way things will work in the future. Discussion of the Labour Party is verboten. Who's joining me.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:18 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:lovely isn't it

People are leaving the board, and ohso is not the first, due to certain people. I wouldn't as I think there is an argument to be had

No all happy together slapping each other on the back and declaring others are wrong to call them bullies.....and seeming to base it all on opposing Corbyn

There are plenty on here who do not support, or support reluctantly, Corbyn

I wouldn't call you bullies, I would be far less polite

Instead of all this irrelevant nonsense you like to post and snidey comments, perhaps you can start discussing things of substance - something that is severely lacking in your posts

It is not often that I would like to see Spinning Hugo come along but his contribution would be far more value adding

All pk1 has done is come along on one of her infrequent visits, tell us the board is full of crap without actually saying anything of interest

And all you have done today is attack others for having their own opinions. I'm doing something I have never done on this site before & that's blocking you. You have nothing to say that is of any interest to me.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:23 pm

I am sure I can get Tizme to post pro- caroline lucas for leader stuff, and I can come up with anti Jonathan Bartley for leader stuff if it would add to board diversity?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:24 pm

Gosh with everybody blocking each other it will soon be like the scene in Billy Liar where everybody is talking but nobody is listening, oh, nevermind...

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:25 pm

pk1 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:lovely isn't it

People are leaving the board, and ohso is not the first, due to certain people. I wouldn't as I think there is an argument to be had

No all happy together slapping each other on the back and declaring others are wrong to call them bullies.....and seeming to base it all on opposing Corbyn

There are plenty on here who do not support, or support reluctantly, Corbyn

I wouldn't call you bullies, I would be far less polite

Instead of all this irrelevant nonsense you like to post and snidey comments, perhaps you can start discussing things of substance - something that is severely lacking in your posts

It is not often that I would like to see Spinning Hugo come along but his contribution would be far more value adding

All pk1 has done is come along on one of her infrequent visits, tell us the board is full of crap without actually saying anything of interest
And all you have done today is attack others for having their own opinions. I'm doing something I have never done on this site before & that's blocking you. You have nothing to say that is of any interest to me.

I think if you look through my history of posts today, I think you will find most of them have been discussing Khan's statement, I asked about a comment Jowell made on the Olympics and Brexit as well as numerous posts on the leadership campaign (perhaps not a wise subject but was challenging some, in my view, weak comments)

You though have just come on, accused the board of being full of crap and then with yahyah managed to avoid talking politics and making various snide comments

I have not been innocent and have childishly responded but I think you and some of your friends should seriously think about what benefit you get from being on here

It is not a Corbyn echo chamber by any means, and I think you will find many of us who will vote for him are also critical of him but try to explain why we support him

Others support Smith and that is okay by me and I will be happy to discuss with them, knowing it is unlikely we will change each others minds at the stage

I fail to understand though what some of you hope to gain by coming on here and just ranting the same things about Corbyn but then not wanting to engage with those that disagree - it is probably that most labour members will support Corbyn as will be shown in September which is why it must be frustrating to those who oppose him.

That is probably the same here

I don't really care if you block me as you have not written anything of interest today, or for a long time.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:26 pm

Temulkar wrote:I am sure I can get Tizme to post pro- caroline lucas for leader stuff, and I can come up with anti Jonathan Bartley for leader stuff if it would add to board diversity?

Brilliant.

Click here. You know you must. As should everyone. Just saying. Click. Click. Click.

It is directly related to THE most important discussion of this weekend.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:28 pm

Meh to Rick Astley. Whatever happened to The Fields of the Nephelim?

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:32 pm

Temulkar wrote:Meh to Rick Astley. Whatever happened to The Fields of the Nephelim?

Saw a guy from Napalm Death interviewed recently (was at an exhibition of rock in Walsall) - looked like a middle-aged school teacher with glasses

Wonder how he explains being in the epitome of a Thrash Metal band!

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:34 pm

You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

You'll seek it, it'll take a while
You'll seek this, if it's a thousand miles
Take what fate brings, eternal and desire
I'll change those faces, then I take their smile

We're getting close to you, I can see the door
Closer and closer, or is it there at all

Forever remain, forever remain

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:34 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

You'll seek it, it'll take a while
You'll seek this, if it's a thousand miles
Take what fate brings, eternal and desire
I'll change those faces, then I take their smile

We're getting close to you, I can see the door
Closer and closer, or is it there at all

Forever remain, forever remain

no need for that

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:35 pm

oh no by replying to it, it is there twice!

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:37 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

You'll seek it, it'll take a while
You'll seek this, if it's a thousand miles
Take what fate brings, eternal and desire
I'll change those faces, then I take their smile

We're getting close to you, I can see the door
Closer and closer, or is it there at all

Forever remain, forever remain

no need for that

It's infectious.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:37 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

You'll seek it, it'll take a while
You'll seek this, if it's a thousand miles
Take what fate brings, eternal and desire
I'll change those faces, then I take their smile

We're getting close to you, I can see the door
Closer and closer, or is it there at all

Forever remain, forever remain

That happened, and we let it happen! Never forget the bastards responsible, or let them close to popular culture again! Stock, bloody Aitken and Waterman!!! Although I have always had a bit of a crush on Kylie and Bananarama.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:38 pm

Temulkar wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

You'll seek it, it'll take a while
You'll seek this, if it's a thousand miles
Take what fate brings, eternal and desire
I'll change those faces, then I take their smile

We're getting close to you, I can see the door
Closer and closer, or is it there at all

Forever remain, forever remain
That happened, and we let it happen! Never forget the bastards responsible, or let them close to popular culture again! Stock, bloody Aitken and Waterman!!! Although I have always had a bit of a crush on Kylie and Bananarama.

Oh god. Someone make it stop...

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:40 pm

OK. I'll stop now.

For any who were curious: animated GIF. That's what one is.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:42 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
You'll just have to imagine this being sung as you watch:

That happened, and we let it happen! Never forget the bastards responsible, or let them close to popular culture again! Stock, bloody Aitken and Waterman!!! Although I have always had a bit of a crush on Kylie and Bananarama.
Oh god. Someone make it stop...

O

JonnyT1234 wrote:OK. I'll stop now.

For any who were curious: animated GIF. That's what one is.

Cheers.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:42 pm

Well done.

Bloody well done.

All of you.

In 1936, Dale Carnegie published "How to win friends and influence people".

Perhaps some of you should read it.

howsillyofme - sending you a PM.

The rest - I'm taking another break. Just for once, it's not SH's shenanigans that have led to it. pk1 and yahyah - very disappointing.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:45 pm

ephemerid wrote:Well done.

Bloody well done.

All of you.

In 1936, Dale Carnegie published "How to win friends and influence people".

Perhaps some of you should read it.

howsillyofme - sending you a PM.

The rest - I'm taking another break. Just for once, it's not SH's shenanigans that have led to it. pk1 and yahyah - very disappointing.

ok - not sure if messages are getting through at moment though, or being sent

I am now stopping this non-value adding debate with other posters and apologise to all others on here.....I would have preferred to continue the interesting debates from this morning!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 3:47 pm

Sorry I don't need lectures as to how to behave from anyone.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:04 pm

HindleA wrote:Sorry I don't need lectures as to how to behave from anyone.

No, you don't.

But some could look at how they have been lately and have a little think about it.

It seems to me that what's going on out there in the big bad world is affecting us all, and on this board at times there seems to be a collective madness - people accusing each other of insulting them, other people being so sensitive to the slightest perceived criticism that they're blocking this person or putting another on their foes list.....it's ridiculous.

There are those who appear to feel they're "more labour" than others; those who see any question or comment as a personal slight; and I can understand why someone saying that what is posted here is crap caused offence. I've had my issues with one particular poster here as you all know - but I didn't think I'd be taking a break due to the comments I've seen today from people I had respect for.

When people like Ohso feel the need to leave because they are no longer among friends, it's a sad day for this forum. She's not alone.

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:10 pm

yahyah wrote:
55DegreesNorth wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Okay. YahYah, PK, Angryaswell. CJA. You win. I'll leave the site. I'm sick to death of your sanctimonious, spiteful, snide remarks. I've tried blocking you but I can't stomach you any longer.

If the future of Labour depends on voters such as yourself you're welcome to it. And God help the country.
That would be a shame, Ohso. Can't you just tune out or ignore posts you find offensive? After 33 years teaching in inner city secondary schools, I'm immune to critical comments and irritating people. In truth, I think everyone who posts on this site has something to say, even the tinkers who are trying to stir things up.
Which 'tinkers' are those ? People you disagree with by any chance.?
Who is a 'tinker' will depend on how you see things.
One person's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.
But hats off to you - a lifetime in teaching deserves respect.

Actually, I was primarily thinking of Old Rusty and Wor Hugo. A pair of teasers, but often thought provoking an sometimes funny. And thanks for the congrats - thank god I'm out of the game now, the last few years have been awful in teaching.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:22 pm

HindleA wrote:Sorry I don't need lectures as to how to behave from anyone.

Well you (and others) are about to get one. If you or anyone else quote replies my Astley ever again, you are all going onto the naughty step. It's for the good of everyone.

Edit: mixed up my metaphors.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:26 pm

P.S. I just thought it'd help to be reminded of who is the real enemy in this world. And he's Scottish and ginger. Bloody pop-pixies of the 80s and their infectious ear worm melodies. Down with them.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:28 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Saw a guy from Napalm Death interviewed recently (was at an exhibition of rock in Walsall) - looked like a middle-aged school teacher with glasses

Wonder how he explains being in the epitome of a Thrash Metal band!

He grunts it down a microphone to them at ear-bleeding volume. Being teenagers, they understand.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:29 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Saw a guy from Napalm Death interviewed recently (was at an exhibition of rock in Walsall) - looked like a middle-aged school teacher with glasses

Wonder how he explains being in the epitome of a Thrash Metal band!
He grunts it down a microphone to them at era bleeding volume. Being teenagers, they understand.

I thought it was quite musical........ :lol!:

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:31 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:I thought it was quite musical........

Confused. I thought that was exactly what I just said.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:35 pm

My dad is bigger than your dad.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:36 pm

Eph.You are seeing it one way I do not,equally cja,the most undeserving person imagineable was treated appallingly,my judgement is based on my code of decency and nothing else,no better or worse than anybody elses.You clearly took one side and apportioned blame publically.Needless to say I do think that helpful,just the opposite.Behind the scenes is surely the.way.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:36 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:My dad is bigger than your dad.

Separate Toby's dad and My dad threads NOW. Or Rick gets it.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:50 pm

HindleA wrote:Eph.You are seeing it one way I do not,equally cja,the most undeserving person imagineable was treated appallingly,my judgement is based on my code of decency and nothing else,no better or worse than anybody elses.You clearly took one side and apportioned blame publically.Needless to say I do think that helpful,just the opposite.Behind the scenes is surely the.way.

I see the self-appointed judges of decency are in town!

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:51 pm

Hi all,

I've just got back from holiday where I had no wi-fi (expected) and appalling mobile reception (not expected), so I've had a complete break from politics which has been rather nice. Caught some of the Olympics on a tiny telly, but next to no news and it's been very restful I have to say (apart from seeing some lions at a zoo, which was a little bit close for comfort tbh!). Just dropping in to say hi, really, as I have nothing interesting to add on the politics front at the moment. What with parliament being on recess and all, it's dead quiet, isn't it? Not sure that's a good thing with the Tories in charge. What are they up to, I wonder......

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:55 pm

If the answer is actually "nothing" then that is a good thing with the Tories in charge. But your suspicions are more than likely merited.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:55 pm

Willow904 wrote:Hi all,

I've just got back from holiday where I had no wi-fi (expected) and appalling mobile reception (not expected), so I've had a complete break from politics which has been rather nice. Caught some of the Olympics on a tiny telly, but next to no news and it's been very restful I have to say (apart from seeing some lions at a zoo, which was a little bit close for comfort tbh!). Just dropping in to say hi, really, as I have nothing interesting to add on the politics front at the moment. What with parliament being on recess and all, it's dead quiet, isn't it? Not sure that's a good thing with the Tories in charge. What are they up to, I wonder......

Nothing good that is for certain!

This time is difficult to fill...and as you will have seen we have mainly been arguing amongst ourselves

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 4:59 pm

PS. Hope you had a good holiday. I don't think you missed much in the world of politics. Divorce still imminent in the Labour movement, irrespective of who wins. Boris Johnson is currently in charge of the country. Yes. WTF indeed. And some amazingly honest athletes/drug-taking cheats (delete as applicable in 5 years time) are currently being hailed as heroes by everyone trying to fall within the glow of their success.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:03 pm

should also have asked you if you had a nice time......hope you did

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:05 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:... we have mainly been arguing amongst ourselves

And my word, what fun that has been...

P.S. Be warned, Willow, some flouncing has also occurred.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:06 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:... we have mainly been arguing amongst ourselves
And my word, what fun that has been...

P.S. Be warned, Willow, some flouncing has also occurred.

I must admit that I do like a good row sometimes but this one went a bit far I think..........naughty step for me

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:10 pm

@55DN

"Old Rusty" is neither thought provoking nor funny - just a tiresome right wing WUM who delights in seeing divisions on here and taking screenshots for his and his equally rabid chum's amusement.

Don't believe me? This is from this very afternoon...

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howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:12 pm

By the way 'rhythmic gymnastics' - what is all that about?

It is dancing surely.........if this is a sport then I am back calling for darts to be included!

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:15 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:PS. Hope you had a good holiday. I don't think you missed much in the world of politics. Divorce still imminent in the Labour movement, irrespective of who wins. Boris Johnson is currently in charge of the country. Yes. WTF indeed. And some amazingly honest athletes/drug-taking cheats (delete as applicable in 5 years time) are currently being hailed as heroes by everyone trying to fall within the glow of their success.

Boris is in charge? [Gulp]

That's up there with the lions.

As for the sports people "heroes" thing, not really been following, but isn't it rather American to venerate sports dudes. Or am I just being hyper paranoid about the Tories wanting to turn us into a mini-America free-market-free-for-all-dog-eat-dog-dystopian-nightmare of a country.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:16 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:By the way 'rhythmic gymnastics' - what is all that about?

It is dancing surely.........if this is a sport then I am back calling for darts to be included!

Aka 'rhythmic drinking'.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:16 pm

@Willow904

I hope you had an enjoyable time. I expect my postcard is still in transit?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:18 pm

PorFavor wrote:@Willow904

I hope you had an enjoyable time. I expect my postcard is still in transit?

Postcard? So last century. Virtual fudge for all. Enjoy.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:18 pm

HindleA wrote:Eph.You are seeing it one way I do not,equally cja,the most undeserving person imagineable was treated appallingly,my judgement is based on my code of decency and nothing else,no better or worse than anybody elses.You clearly took one side and apportioned blame publically.Needless to say I do think that helpful,just the opposite.Behind the scenes is surely the.way.

Indeed. Which is why cja and I had a personal chat about similar things the other day.

I stand by my view that there is seems to be a collective madness going on and some people are being hurt by it.

In my posts, no names, no packdrill. Life's too short to fight - which is why I'm having some time away.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:19 pm

Willow904 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:PS. Hope you had a good holiday. I don't think you missed much in the world of politics. Divorce still imminent in the Labour movement, irrespective of who wins. Boris Johnson is currently in charge of the country. Yes. WTF indeed. And some amazingly honest athletes/drug-taking cheats (delete as applicable in 5 years time) are currently being hailed as heroes by everyone trying to fall within the glow of their success.
Boris is in charge? [Gulp]

That's up there with the lions.

As for the sports people "heroes" thing, not really been following, but isn't it rather American to venerate sports dudes. Or am I just being hyper paranoid about the Tories wanting to turn us into a mini-America free-market-free-for-all-dog-eat-dog-dystopian-nightmare of a country.

I am glad for those who win, the obviously work hard to get to the peak but the 'hero worship' is a bit off putting I think but it is definitely not acceptable to say that in public

I also think we do well because of the focus on elite sport....those who will not win a medal or in sports that do not meet the criteria are treated really poorly - and at the same time we see record medals we also see poorer grass roots participation

The medal winning is the result of ruthless targetting

Simon Jenkins wrote a rather provocative article on this very subject

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:20 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:By the way 'rhythmic gymnastics' - what is all that about?

It is dancing surely.........if this is a sport then I am back calling for darts to be included!
Aka 'rhythmic drinking'.

not so much now unfortunately.......

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:25 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
I am glad for those who win, the obviously work hard to get to the peak but the 'hero worship' is a bit off putting I think but it is definitely not acceptable to say that in public

I find it all ineffably boring - although I admire sportspeople's determination and I don't begrudge them their moment in the sun. I just don't watch it or, until now when it's near enough over, comment on it.

Edited to add -

Although I could go on about how the money could be better spent, why it's even necessary to spend so much, the immorality of a lot of the surrounding stuff etc etc

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:29 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:By the way 'rhythmic gymnastics' - what is all that about?

It is dancing surely.........if this is a sport then I am back calling for darts to be included!
Aka 'rhythmic drinking'.

not so much now unfortunately.......

Given that shooting and archery are included, you do have to ask, why not darts?

Personally, I may start getting excited once the Paralympics begin. I've only really found Fiji winning at the sevens, Japan beating New Zealand in the same sport, and the gymnastics (which is difficult to cheat at beyond strength building and stamina, but they're only one component of the skill) have caught me this time around. I just can't get beyond a sense of, "drug-cheat or not?" when watching.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:32 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote: I also think we do well because of the focus on elite sport....those who will not win a medal or in sports that do not meet the criteria are treated really poorly - and at the same time we see record medals we also see poorer grass roots participation

Well up to a point - I wouldn't say that track and field, swimming or even cycling are 'elite sports' exactly - certainly there are elite sportsmen and women who as you say have to perform otherwise they lose their funding. That happened to gymnastics some years back but now look.

The problem is that funding for school sports etc has been squeezed as well as the time available for them. That's where the Olympic legacy bit falls down. Schools are being asked to do more and more but with less time and less money. gte it right in schools and slowly over time participation rates increase.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 21 Aug, 2016 5:33 pm

yahyah wrote:Maybe two threads tomorrow ?

''Corbyn is wonderful'' and ''Red Tory traitors, bullies and running dogs post here''

Only joking.

Husband wants attention now. He thinks I'm mad to interact with people about politics on the net.
He may be right.

I think we're all a bit crackers tbh.