Bank holiday weekend: 27th, 28th & 29th August
Posted: Sat 27 Aug, 2016 4:07 am
Morning all:)
All hail the weekend!
(Except those who don`t like weekends)
All hail the weekend!
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Morning extankie. I've changed your post title to be for the entire bank holiday.extankie wrote:Morning all:)
All hail the weekend!
(Except those who don`t like weekends)
Oh, my aching sides!Virgin Trains 'teams up' with Labour to offer discounts (and a seat)
Virgin said: “Labour’s annual conference is one of the high profile political events in Europe. Attracting over 10,000 people, it’s the ideal place to network, share great ideas and an opportunity to mingle with like-minded people.” (Guardian - my emphasis)
"Our"?? Tut tutSpinningHugo wrote: Why businesses our now turning on Labour
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I haven't read the Times piece, but heard O'Donnell on R4 this morning and he was clear that his expectation was that we would leave, the point being more about how he doesn't think any of our EU related laws will be repealed or changed, that it would be a technical exit, in word only, for some considerable time. There are also some hints in this article about the impact of UK exit on the EU, which lead me to return to my original suspicions that the Tory intent is not to simply leave, but in doing so to attempt to fracture the current EU structure and reform it in some way more acceptable to right wing capitalists. How realistic such a plan may be remains to be seen, but doubts over if and when the UK may invoke article 50 would certainly fit into such a scenario.Brexit is not inevitable and Britain could still remain a part of a changed European Union, the former head of the civil service has said.
Don't really know why, but that made me laugh - muchly.Max Whitlock fronts ITV switchoff as part of UK day of sport
Coronation Street fans can head to the soap’s set in Manchester, where the gold medal-winning cyclist Elinor Barker will be taking part in an event on the cobbles. (Guardian)
Well, I haven't seen any. Just the odd, lone cabbage white.Large blue butterfly thriving in UK since reintroduction
Numbers of the endangered butterfly, once pronounced extinct in the UK, have reached their highest level in 80 years, according to conservationists
Large blue butterflies (Guardian)
There are some in the Tories/on the right more generally who think that desirable, but I think that credits many Brexiters with more sophistication than they actually possess tbh.Willow904 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... vice-chief
I haven't read the Times piece, but heard O'Donnell on R4 this morning and he was clear that his expectation was that we would leave, the point being more about how he doesn't think any of our EU related laws will be repealed or changed, that it would be a technical exit, in word only, for some considerable time. There are also some hints in this article about the impact of UK exit on the EU, which lead me to return to my original suspicions that the Tory intent is not to simply leave, but in doing so to attempt to fracture the current EU structure and reform it in some way more acceptable to right wing capitalists. How realistic such a plan may be remains to be seen, but doubts over if and when the UK may invoke article 50 would certainly fit into such a scenario.Brexit is not inevitable and Britain could still remain a part of a changed European Union, the former head of the civil service has said.
tinyclanger2 wrote:Boo!
Tories’ failure to halt ivory trade ‘risks extinction of elephants’
Campaigners attack broken election pledge to shut down domestic market
NHS privatisation by the back door advancing rapidly under the new Tory majority BANES council as the not for profit Sirona Health and Care favoured by previous council leaders, the Libdems, is elbowed out of the way in favour of fat cat Virgin for this lucrative long term contract.Health bosses have made their choice in a bid for a multimillion contract to run community care services in Bath and north east Somerset.
Virgin Care has been chosen over a consortium led by Sirona care and health in a battle to win the publicly funded £500m contract.
I blame their pilots.Hobiejoe wrote:Well, that was noisy.
A Eurofighter just did a ten minute low level display over the town. Not sure aeroplanes should be able to do things like that.
The article doesn't live up to the headline, I was expecting a more specific comparison, she's done better than Lady Jane Grey so can't be her.The shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, also spoke out against May’s plans. “The logic of saying the prime minister can trigger article 50 without first setting out to parliament the terms and basis upon which her government seeks to negotiate – indeed, without even indicating the red lines she will seek to protect – would be to diminish parliament and assume the arrogant powers of a Tudor monarch.
“Parliament cannot be sidelined from the greatest constitutional change our country has debated in 40 years,” he added.
Aren't all Labour MPs supposed to be concentrating on the important stuff, the leadership contest?tinybgoat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ver-brexit
The article doesn't live up to the headline, I was expecting a more specific comparison, she's done better than Lady Jane Grey so can't be her.The shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, also spoke out against May’s plans. “The logic of saying the prime minister can trigger article 50 without first setting out to parliament the terms and basis upon which her government seeks to negotiate – indeed, without even indicating the red lines she will seek to protect – would be to diminish parliament and assume the arrogant powers of a Tudor monarch.
“Parliament cannot be sidelined from the greatest constitutional change our country has debated in 40 years,” he added.
The obvious analogy I suppose would be Henry VIII who unilaterally decided to extricate England from the Roman Catholic Church. Although comparing the disruption that will be caused by May acting on the result of an ill thought through referendum to the upheaval spawned by Henry VIII's personal desire* for a divorce is perhaps a bit harsh. Besides, parliament (in its infinite stupidity) passed the referendum act that precipitated current events, so saying parliament hasn't been consulted is, quite simply, factually wrong.tinybgoat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ver-brexit
The article doesn't live up to the headline, I was expecting a more specific comparison, she's done better than Lady Jane Grey so can't be her.The shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, also spoke out against May’s plans. “The logic of saying the prime minister can trigger article 50 without first setting out to parliament the terms and basis upon which her government seeks to negotiate – indeed, without even indicating the red lines she will seek to protect – would be to diminish parliament and assume the arrogant powers of a Tudor monarch.
“Parliament cannot be sidelined from the greatest constitutional change our country has debated in 40 years,” he added.
He can do both, besides, multitasking's a prerequisite of being in the shadow cabinet now.StephenDolan wrote:Aren't all Labour MPs supposed to be concentrating on the important stuff, the leadership contest?tinybgoat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ver-brexit
The article doesn't live up to the headline, I was expecting a more specific comparison, she's done better than Lady Jane Grey so can't be her.The shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, also spoke out against May’s plans. “The logic of saying the prime minister can trigger article 50 without first setting out to parliament the terms and basis upon which her government seeks to negotiate – indeed, without even indicating the red lines she will seek to protect – would be to diminish parliament and assume the arrogant powers of a Tudor monarch.
“Parliament cannot be sidelined from the greatest constitutional change our country has debated in 40 years,” he added.
Technically that casts Liz Truss in Thomas More's role, although suspect Johnson/Davies/Fox are better comparisons.Willow904 wrote:The obvious analogy I suppose would be Henry VIII who unilaterally decided to extricate England from the Roman Catholic Church. Although comparing the disruption that will be caused by May acting on the result of an ill thought through referendum to the upheaval spawned by Henry VIII's personal desire* for a divorce is perhaps a bit harsh. Besides, parliament (in its infinite stupidity) passed the referendum act that precipitated current events, so saying parliament hasn't been consulted is, quite simply, factually wrong.tinybgoat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ver-brexit
The article doesn't live up to the headline, I was expecting a more specific comparison, she's done better than Lady Jane Grey so can't be her.The shadow international trade secretary, Barry Gardiner, also spoke out against May’s plans. “The logic of saying the prime minister can trigger article 50 without first setting out to parliament the terms and basis upon which her government seeks to negotiate – indeed, without even indicating the red lines she will seek to protect – would be to diminish parliament and assume the arrogant powers of a Tudor monarch.
“Parliament cannot be sidelined from the greatest constitutional change our country has debated in 40 years,” he added.
*I'm well aware this is a gross simplification and has been put this way purely for facetious effect.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... s-rock-bhsDominic Chappell to wind up company involved in BHS acquisition
Swiss Rock will cease trading this week as controversial entrepreneur moves family assets out of reach of investigators
By putting Swiss Rock into administration, Chappell could walk away from its debts, which are thought to include a tax bill on his earnings from BHS. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/ ... tfall-cityBrexit will put 75% of workers at risk of pension shortfall
People will have to save more for pensions to have income they were on course for before Britain voted out, say City experts
Only 25% of people now have a good chance of meeting the level of retirement income regarded as appropriate by the DWP
The Brexit vote is having “terrifying” effects on the pension schemes of millions of British workers, with 75% of people now expected to have a retirement income below the government’s recommended level, City experts warn.
Leading pensions consultants Hymans Robertson say the combination of interest rates and weaker projections for growth post-Brexit mean people will have to save far more towards their pensions to receive the level of income they were on course for before Britain voted to leave the EU. (Observer)
refitman wrote:Morning extankie. I've changed your post title to be for the entire bank holiday.extankie wrote:Morning all:)
All hail the weekend!
(Except those who don`t like weekends)
BrexiteersPorFavor wrote:Brexit will put 75% of workers at risk of pension shortfall
People will have to save more for pensions to have income they were on course for before Britain voted out, say City experts
Only 25% of people now have a good chance of meeting the level of retirement income regarded as appropriate by the DWP
The Brexit vote is having “terrifying” effects on the pension schemes of millions of British workers, with 75% of people now expected to have a retirement income below the government’s recommended level, City experts warn.
Leading pensions consultants Hymans Robertson say the combination of interest rates and weaker projections for growth post-Brexit mean people will have to save far more towards their pensions to receive the level of income they were on course for before Britain voted to leave the EU. (Observer)
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/ ... tfall-city
TinyClanger: flicking the vs so you don't have toThe question of what is propaganda and what is truth has plagued politics since politics began. But the nature of information in the social media age means it keeps getting easier for politicians, partisans, computerized “bots” and foreign governments to manipulate news, and it keeps getting harder to correct this. Fact-checkers are, for the moment, one of the best solutions. But they work only for people who want them to work, and that number may be shrinking.
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Why not?AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't think he is that popular these days, tbh.
Branson may not be popular, but mentioning him against the backdrop of the Philip Green saga and questions about knighthoods undermines the broader argument about fat cats being inappropriately rewarded with honours, as it comes across as a petty personal vendetta rather than an objective argument. Branson isn't currently in the news for losing ordinary peoples pensions or anything like that, just for getting in a personal row with Corbyn, so it comes across as "he should lose his knighthood for disagreeing with the Labour leader", I'm afraid.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't think he is that popular these days, tbh.
Not necessarily disagreeing there, just saying he isn't now the "pop culture icon" that he was back in 1997 when all parties earnestly (and vainly) sought his endorsement.Willow904 wrote:Branson may not be popular, but mentioning him against the backdrop of the Philip Green saga and questions about knighthoods undermines the broader argument about fat cats being inappropriately rewarded with honours, as it comes across as a petty personal vendetta rather than an objective argument. Branson isn't currently in the news for losing ordinary peoples pensions or anything like that, just for getting in a personal row with Corbyn, so it comes across as "he should lose his knighthood for disagreeing with the Labour leader", I'm afraid.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't think he is that popular these days, tbh.
Willow904 wrote:Branson may not be popular, but mentioning him against the backdrop of the Philip Green saga and questions about knighthoods undermines the broader argument about fat cats being inappropriately rewarded with honours, as it comes across as a petty personal vendetta rather than an objective argument. Branson isn't currently in the news for losing ordinary peoples pensions or anything like that, just for getting in a personal row with Corbyn, so it comes across as "he should lose his knighthood for disagreeing with the Labour leader", I'm afraid.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I don't think he is that popular these days, tbh.
The comments btl suggest this article went down a treat with the "out" voters, but there are some major holes. If it's democratic to ask the nation whether or not they want to be in the EU, surely it's just as democratic to follow this up by asking them whether or not they want to be in the single market, whether or not they want to stop all immigration, whether or not they want to withdraw from the ECHR etc etc. Indeed, there are so many questions, perhaps it would be best if all the parties put together a list of their preferred options and people voted according to which they liked best. We could call it a general election and whoever won would have a mandate to implement their list according to the principles of representative democracy, which is the kind of democracy we have, however much some might prefer to override this with direct democracy when it suits them, and only when it suits them judging by the howls of "foul" when Smith suggests having a further referendum with a different question.tinyclanger2 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... referendum
Mary Dejevsky (discussed here https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... nane_mary/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; by Craig Murray ) in bid to out-Tudor May.
Your absence is a reason why it was so quiet here yesterday. You are always missed when you are not contributing.citizenJA wrote:I'm away from home and using a borrowed device. I've come to say hello and see the news.
Willow904 wrote:The comments btl suggest this article went down a treat with the "out" voters, but there are some major holes. If it's democratic to ask the nation whether or not they want to be in the EU, surely it's just as democratic to follow this up by asking them whether or not they want to be in the single market, whether or not they want to stop all immigration, whether or not they want to withdraw from the ECHR etc etc. Indeed, there are so many questions, perhaps it would be best if all the parties put together a list of their preferred options and people voted according to which they liked best. We could call it a general election and whoever won would have a mandate to implement their list according to the principles of representative democracy, which is the kind of democracy we have, however much some might prefer to override this with direct democracy when it suits them, and only when it suits them judging by the howls of "foul" when Smith suggests having a further referendum with a different question.tinyclanger2 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... referendum
Mary Dejevsky (discussed here https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... nane_mary/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; by Craig Murray ) in bid to out-Tudor May.
There's no mandate for either option, this is May's essential problem. People weren't asked if they wanted to curb immigration or if they want to remain in the single market. A vote to leave the EU gives us no insight into people's thoughts on these issues. There is far too much being tied to the EU vote which, although not unreasonable inferences are just that - inferences. Guesswork doesn't provide a sound basis for a mandate for such a huge decision. We need an election or further referendums in order to provide the democratic mandate on which to proceed. That's not to say we'll get one, but May does need to be challenged on the democratic basis for her decisions at every step.A number of senior figures, including the chancellor, Philip Hammond, according to the Sunday Times, are thought to believe that all options including staying part of the economic area should remain on the table.
But many Brexit campaigners, including cabinet members David Davis and Liam Fox who will lead negotiations, are thought to believe Britain may have to quit the single market in order to impose adequate border controls.