Thursday 6th October 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:27 am

Morning.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:30 am

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ery-flight" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Replacement Samsung Note 7 ignites on US flight after smartphone recall

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:32 am

Worth a repost from last night (thank you HindleA). Prepare to see the Tories ride roughshod over local people and ignore all scientific sense later today:

UK fracking ruling due to be announced by government - BBC News
https://apple.news/AkWqUJaM0Q0GiUTIvqDuwFw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:33 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37551633" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Johnson & Johnson says insulin pump 'could be hacked'

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:40 am

On a theme this morning... as preparation for a bonfire of all those pesky regulations in the glorious post-Brexit world:

Whirlpool told to do more to ensure safety after tumble dryer blaze
Manufacturer faces calls to take faulty machines out of use after report finds one caused serious tower block fire
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/o ... ryer-blaze" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Advice from Whirlpool up to now has been, 'you can keep using these potential death traps we manufactured, if you don't leave the room while using them just in case they burst into flames'. I may be paraphrasing a touch there, but it seemed to me to be the gist of it.

Edit: the tower block fire is not the first to have been caused (allegedly) by this model of device. It has a known fault that can cause the devices to catch fire. Whirlpool are not doing a recall, they're doing a retrospective fault correction of devices in situ. It seems that all the fire brigade can do is ask them to do something more and cross their fingers in the hope that they will.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:40 am

FWIW Tony Newton RIP brought in prescriptions for disposable needles for diabetics in 1987.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:47 am

Incidentally, the main take home message from that Whirlpool article is that the UK doesn't appear to have in place any national product recall mechanism. So companies can risk your life with their faulty goods if they're willing to risk their bottom line by taking a chance on some bad publicity should things go wrong (hello Samsung) being less bad than the losses from having to pull their product and initiate their own full recall.

But, you know, pesky, bureaucratic red tape from evil Brussels/lefties (delete as applicable). Holding back British businesses. Blah, blah, blah.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:48 am

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... 0-11983540" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The man has no shame. None.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:50 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:Worth a repost from last night (thank you HindleA). Prepare to see the Tories ride roughshod over local people and ignore all scientific sense later today:

UK fracking ruling due to be announced by government - BBC News
https://apple.news/AkWqUJaM0Q0GiUTIvqDuwFw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Localism!
Is this still the greenest government ever, I've forgotten.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:53 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ery-flight

Replacement Samsung Note 7 ignites on US flight after smartphone recall

TBF there's a risk of any phone battery igniting on a plane (phone slips into the seat, seat is tilted back and crushes the battery) but it's not looking good for Samsung.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 6:57 am

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37551633

Johnson & Johnson says insulin pump 'could be hacked'

The Internet of things. Without decent security it's stupid, stupid stupid. Imagine having to give security patch updates to your fridge, lights, thermostat, TV, car?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 7:00 am

StephenDolan wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ery-flight

Replacement Samsung Note 7 ignites on US flight after smartphone recall
TBF there's a risk of any phone battery igniting on a plane (phone slips into the seat, seat is tilted back and crushes the battery) but it's not looking good for Samsung.

True. But this one was apparently in the man's shirt pocket. And, if the leaks regarding this product's development (if I remember right, production schedule accelerated with corners cut to beat the iPhone 7 to market) are true, then most definitely not looking good for Samsung.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 7:01 am

Amber Rudd says 'don't call me a racist' amid foreign workers row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 7:03 am

StephenDolan wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37551633

Johnson & Johnson says insulin pump 'could be hacked'

The Internet of things. Without decent security it's stupid, stupid stupid. Imagine having to give security patch updates to your fridge, lights, thermostat, TV, car?

This is far worse than you can possibly imagine. I wasn't going to post this here because it it's not really linked to politics, but there is a shitstorm of epic proportions brewing for the internet because of this. Have a look for recent news about Krebs On Security to find out why:

Brace yourselves—source code powering potent IoT DDoSes just went public
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10 ... nt-public/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit: even Akamai couldn't keep Krebs' site online due to the astronomical cost of defending against the attack launched on his site. Akamai are one of the spinal cords of the internet.

Post by **adam** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 8:12 am

StephenDolan wrote:Amber Rudd says 'don't call me a racist' amid foreign workers row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

Because calling somebody a racist has become a serious social faux pas, whereas expressing racist views is not 'being a racist' but just 'identifying with the just concerns of people who feel left out of political society.'

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 8:15 am

Shocking, I know, to learn that the Daily Hate has been publishing evidence-free bollocks on its front page about one of the few, truly positive developments in British transport since the invention of the Pelican crossing, but...

Cycle lanes don’t cause traffic jams: they’re part of the solution - the guardian
https://apple.news/AukFx_E1dSYGR6stVXuUCkw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 8:23 am

adam wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Amber Rudd says 'don't call me a racist' amid foreign workers row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
Because calling somebody a racist has become a serious social faux pas, whereas expressing racist views is not 'being a racist' but just 'identifying with the just concerns of people who feel left out of political society.'

I can't help seeing that quote in the headline without feeling it's missing a 'but...'

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 8:30 am

Joan Smith being a comedian in the Guardian:

Surely such allegations, indeed all issues raised by the case, demonstrate the urgent need for ministers to set up the second part of the Leveson inquiry, specifically to examine relationships between the police and the press and whether they work towards the public good. It appears to have been parked. The very public fall of Mazher Mahmood tells us it must now be set up without delay.

What? And draw unwanted attention to the fact that the first part has been deliberately swept under the carpet at the price of good coverage for the Tories and bad for Labour et al.? Crazy talk, Joan. Crazy talk. Even your own paper can barely bring itself to mention Leveson these days.

The Fake Sheikh is overthrown: but the matter can’t rest there - the guardian
https://apple.news/A_wAlNOYESMivQo3xOMY5ag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 10:10 am

Summed up nicely...

...the ones cheering it on will all be right wingers living in London far away from the action I expect.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 10:20 am

The Press Association has just snapped this.

The government has given the go-ahead to one fracking scheme in Lancashire, but has refused permission for a second project in the county, Friends of the Earth said.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 10:24 am

Localism.

It's a thing. Except when it isn't.

is the Big Society still a thing or has that now gone too?

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 10:33 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:Joan Smith being a comedian in the Guardian:

Surely such allegations, indeed all issues raised by the case, demonstrate the urgent need for ministers to set up the second part of the Leveson inquiry, specifically to examine relationships between the police and the press and whether they work towards the public good. It appears to have been parked. The very public fall of Mazher Mahmood tells us it must now be set up without delay.
What? And draw unwanted attention to the fact that the first part has been deliberately swept under the carpet at the price of good coverage for the Tories and bad for Labour et al.? Crazy talk, Joan. Crazy talk. Even your own paper can barely bring itself to mention Leveson these days.

The Fake Sheikh is overthrown: but the matter can’t rest there - the guardian
https://apple.news/A_wAlNOYESMivQo3xOMY5ag" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Morfterbubble all...

I couldn't quite believe the result (as most here know, I have a particular dislike and distrust of anything Murkydochian)....on circumstancial evidence as well....however, if the prosecution are saying 'we reckon you deleted emails, had lots of conversations following the giving of statements and didn't 'accidentally' break the phone involved', the least they (Mahmood/Smith) could've done would've been to take the witness stand to plead their case...but no...so there's now a very large and smelly can on the floor and the putrid Murkydochian worms are everywhere.

....there was then this from Peter Jukes/Byline...

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...so that's a Daniel Morgan connection and....

It was announced after the verdict that 18 civil claims were being launched against Mahmood which could total some £800 million - a figure that would "dwarf" those brought following the phone-hacking scandal, according to media lawyer Mark Lewis.

http://www.aol.co.uk/news/2016/10/05/th ... -his-face/

...and also, we might finally see some justice for John Alford...

Indeed, it wrecked it so badly that it effectively ended his television and singing career at the age of just 25.
Alford's case in 1997, a classic example of a Mahmood sting, was one of the first fake sheikh entrapments to catch my attention.
In almost every detail the subterfuge involved mirrors what happened in 2013 to Tulisa Contostavlos, whose trial on a drugs charge was abandoned after the judge ruled that Mahmood may have been guilty of lying and manipulating evidence.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/green ... -thepeople

....and, of course, more may now be made of the connections to Orgreave, Hillsborough etc etc (maybe not Mahmood per se, but Murkydochia/police/politicians)...it is, however, all spiffingly fantabulous...that wonderful Mrs May(not) has only had one meeting through the back door with James Murdoch and one (very special) meeting with the great wrinkly old goat itself...after which, Mrs May(not) out-UKIPs UKIP at the Tory Conference...very much quelle fracking surprise

Efforts really should be made to implement Leveson 1 immediately....as, of course, The Clouncy Funt in all his pomp 'promised' he would do, if it wasn't 'bonkers'...and we all know about The Clouncy Funt and his promises, don't we

...and by way of an aside, the publisher of Shameless Bettinsons book? MD is ex-Tory candidate Iain Dale (of LBC/Conservativehome fame) and company owned by Ashcroft (I researched it, as I was convinced (with my tin-foil hat well settled in place) I'd see the ice-cold tendrils of Murkydochian putrefaction all over it...but it wasn't...it was a different nest of Tory Hegemony)

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 10:57 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Summed up nicely...

...the ones cheering it on will all be right wingers living in London far away from the action I expect.

...and all those in charge of selling the site-licensing, members of the boards of the security companies (to stop the unwashed crusties getting in the way, using staff on Zero-hours contracts) and the energy companies involved...lots and lots of Friends of Dave (the Clouncy Funt)...

The coalition may be promoting the controversial practice of fracking for gas because senior figures from that industry sit in the heart of Government, campaigners have warned.
The former BP boss Lord Browne, Centrica chief executive Sam Laidlaw and BG Group director Baroness Hogg have all been accused of the potential for conflicts of interest, as they hold senior advisory roles at a time when the Government is heavily promoting fracking.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 07589.html

The Tory peer who said parts of the “desolate” north were suitable for fracking chairs a shadowy organisation that helps energy companies network with politicians, ambassadors and civil servants, an investigation by Corporate Watch, revealed in the Mirror, has found. Lord Howell, the father-in-law of George Osborne, chairs the Windsor Energy Group (WEG), whose sponsors and supporters include BP, Shell and British Gas.

https://corporatewatch.org/news/2013/au ... or-dungeon

...and there's still no logic or a shred of evidence to say that 'fracking' is OK...indeed the polar opposite is true....masses of public money has already been sprayed at it though...but that's OK, of course (unless they're foreigners or they employ foreigners)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 11:34 am

StephenDolan wrote:Amber Rudd says 'don't call me a racist' amid foreign workers row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

The thing is, she probably genuinely believes she's not.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 11:35 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Amber Rudd says 'don't call me a racist' amid foreign workers row - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37561035" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
The thing is, she probably genuinely believes she's not.

As long as the majority of the public have this pointed out to them and have the penny drop that's fine by me.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 11:51 am

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Little Englanders

Mainlymacro

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 11:53 am

He is right that the press bear a large share of the blame, certainly.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:10 pm

Who said it - Theresa May or Ed Miliband? Can you tell the difference between their strangely similar conference speeches? - Mirror Online - http://www.mirror.co.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wh ... apple_news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I scored 7 out of 8. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Probably suggests I pay a bit too much attention to politics than is good for me.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:17 pm

According to reports Steven Woolfe has collapsed in the European Parliament. ITV say he is being tended to by medics. Everyone at Guido wishes him a speedy recovery.
http://order-order.com/2016/10/06/steve ... arliament/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Sorry for link...)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:27 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:According to reports Steven Woolfe has collapsed in the European Parliament. ITV say he is being tended to by medics. Everyone at Guido wishes him a speedy recovery.
http://order-order.com/2016/10/06/steve ... arliament/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Sorry for link...)

It's now in the Telegraph, too.

Don't get this, unless it's more serious than we're hearing -

Raheem Kassam, another contender for the leadership role, has cancelled his appearance on the BBC this afternoon in respect to Mr Woolfe. (Telegraph)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... e-europea/

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:27 pm

Good morfternoon.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:28 pm

Hope it's not serious. He may be a kipper but he's still human and has loved ones.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:29 pm

UK Foreign-Born Workers And What Britain Would Look Like Without Them

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:32 pm

yahyah wrote:Hope it's not serious. He may be a kipper but he's still human and has loved ones.

Yeah, and by all accounts he is one of the more likeable kippers on a human level as well.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:38 pm

9m ago 12:27

Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, was in the European parliament at the time Steven Woolfe fell ill. Farage is due to be issuing a statement about what happened shortly. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Steven Woolfe has been taken to hospital.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:39 pm

The Mail's European correspondent says it is serious, and followed an altercation.

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:42 pm

Sparrow confirming Farage saying it is serious and happened after an altercation between Ukip MEPs.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:51 pm

Blimey, puts what has happened recently within Labour into a bit of perspective

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 12:55 pm

Speculation from a Times journalist that he was punched - on BBC tv news just now.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 1:00 pm

Lucy Fisher ‏@LOS_Fisher 7m7 minutes ago
Ukip sources claim a party MEP punched Steven Woolfe several times following a charged meeting, as MEPs angry he was considering defection
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This seems really bad on so many counts (not least for Steven who seems quite poorly)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 1:08 pm

Sky about to go live with the news that he has bleeding on the brain.
Doesn't sound good.

Our politics seems to have been poisoned, on all sides.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 1:14 pm

UN envoy is predicting that Aleppo will be completely destroyed by Christmas. (BBC TV news)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 1:17 pm

Oh dear, that is not good news at all. Not least, it seems a sitting UKIP parliamentarian could be facing serious charges soon.

We need cheering up right now in more ways than one, so a genuine headline from CNN recently - "Pence Denies That Trump Said Things That He Actually Said"

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 1:58 pm

Peter Jukes has retweeted that Byline will reveal more about Mazher Mahmood and phone hacking.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:03 pm

New low for pound today. Lowest since 1985. Not a peep on WATO. Don't you just love the way their correspondents sneer when it's suggested they're less than even-handed though.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:03 pm

Did anyone see Neil Hamilton on the news ?
Said to have been smirking and blaming Woolfe.

People of Wales, what did you do last May ?

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:04 pm

Not to worry; we've got Chuka batting for Labour on QT tonight. Why?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:09 pm

Robert Nisbet
✔
@RobNisbetSky

I am now told by a senior UKIP source that @Steven_Woolfe condition in a Strasbourg hospital "is life threatening"
1:40 PM - 6 Oct 2016 (Politics Live, Guardian)

Why no news of police involvement?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:12 pm

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Ukip spokesperson not denying who it was that was involved in the 'row'.

It is going to get nastier. Hamilton already trying to spin what happened.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 06 Oct, 2016 2:14 pm

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