Saurday 8th & Sunday 9th October 2016

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:06 pm

yahyah wrote:But the seeing the words sexy and Clanger near each other is a bit unsettling. Even if Pet Shop Boys inspired.

I'm imagining tinyclanger2 sashayin' around in Star Trek stunt pants.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:12 pm

Just in time for baked goods JA.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:13 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:But the seeing the words sexy and Clanger near each other is a bit unsettling. Even if Pet Shop Boys inspired.
I'm imagining tinyclanger2 sashayin' around in Star Trek stunt pants.

Aren't we all?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:14 pm

Normal service has been resumed.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:21 pm

The Observer view on British politics after Brexit
Observer editorial
Theresa May has no mandate for her Little Britain. There are far greater issues at stake

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ost-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:29 pm

Willow904 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Oh dear. The guardian up to dirty tricks in trying to drive a wedge between Corbyn and Starmer where none exists. Read and spot the difference between Corbyn's prior statements and what Starmer is quoted as saying. Clue: there isn't one.

Keir Starmer calls for immigration to be reduced - the guardian
https://apple.news/AUq1jazqjQ9yfHt2Cm0jQPw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If Starmer is sticking to Corbyn's rejection of the single market unless it changes line (which it won't) then that is, indeed, disappointing.

Morfternoon afterbubble all..

Not sure about that, but what he says here is fairly clear (IMVHO) - Parliament must vote on starting point of negotiations...

Brexit: Starmer calls for Commons vote on terms

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37599792

'it's a question of accountability'...sounding as though he (and by extension, Labour and Corbyn) will be very much on the side of Eds' cross-party efforts...it's the Clouncy Funts mess and it's up to Smeary Hate (in the best traditions of political name anagrams) to try to sort it out....but of course, she is so far out of her depth that it is absolutely beyond her and them.

A week is a long time in politics (as someone once said) - I'm quite keen to see where it all is at the end of the first week back in Parliament (and the value of Sterling etc - on which - just for some clarification wrt its' effect on business - our IT hardware and software (from the US and the EU) costs 20% more than it did just 3 months ago - we are a very small business but that cost has to be passed on if we are to continue trading...making things quite difficult...I'm certain that is the case across the board for all importers)

Brexit = broke sh1t

...and Happy 76th Birthday to John Lennon

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

I continue to live in Hope (just north of Peterborough)

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... t-fairness" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Creating the single market was a painful process. Getting 28 countries to agree on everything from safety standards of hairdryers to banks’ capital levels was tough. A lot of politicians had to return home to their voters and admit that things would have to change.
Allowing one country today to dictate its own conditions while being part of this market would probably lead to the unravelling of the whole package of hard-won compromises. And that is not going to happen.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:44 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:But the seeing the words sexy and Clanger near each other is a bit unsettling. Even if Pet Shop Boys inspired.
I'm imagining tinyclanger2 sashayin' around in Star Trek stunt pants.

With or without Tribble patch?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:47 pm

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:47 pm

Lonewolfie wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Oh dear. The guardian up to dirty tricks in trying to drive a wedge between Corbyn and Starmer where none exists. Read and spot the difference between Corbyn's prior statements and what Starmer is quoted as saying. Clue: there isn't one.

Keir Starmer calls for immigration to be reduced - the guardian
https://apple.news/AUq1jazqjQ9yfHt2Cm0jQPw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If Starmer is sticking to Corbyn's rejection of the single market unless it changes line (which it won't) then that is, indeed, disappointing.
Morfternoon afterbubble all..

Not sure about that, but what he says here is fairly clear (IMVHO) - Parliament must vote on starting point of negotiations...

Brexit: Starmer calls for Commons vote on terms

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37599792

'it's a question of accountability'...sounding as though he (and by extension, Labour and Corbyn) will be very much on the side of Eds' cross-party efforts...it's the Clouncy Funts mess and it's up to Smeary Hate (in the best traditions of political name anagrams) to try to sort it out....but of course, she is so far out of her depth that it is absolutely beyond her and them.

A week is a long time in politics (as someone once said) - I'm quite keen to see where it all is at the end of the first week back in Parliament (and the value of Sterling etc - on which - just for some clarification wrt its' effect on business - our IT hardware and software (from the US and the EU) costs 20% more than it did just 3 months ago - we are a very small business but that cost has to be passed on if we are to continue trading...making things quite difficult...I'm certain that is the case across the board for all importers)

Brexit = broke sh1t

...and Happy 76th Birthday to John Lennon

You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one

I continue to live in Hope (just north of Peterborough)

Well that's more like it. Thank you. I'm much cheered. Time for some gardening, I think and less fretting over what I cannot control.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:48 pm

Just searched for Tribble images to remember what they were.

Who's going to tell Donald Trump he's got one on his head ?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:56 pm

Sophy RidgeVerified account
‏@SophyRidgeSky
Break: Labour whips @ConorMcGinn & @HollyLynch5 resign following Jeremy Corbyn's reshuffle.Unhappy w/ sacking of Chief Whip Rosie Winterton?

Here we go again.....

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 1:58 pm

Let's just get on with sort shit out and trouncing the Tories.
I for one can't be doing with any more bemoaning.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:00 pm

A sinister turn at the DfE

"It seems that the same governing party which felt it so important to defend the merits of a free press after the hacking scandals, has decided that such freedom to scrutinise things shouldn’t apply to those questioning the DfE. They have created new rules that insist that when organisations use DfE data, their findings must be sent to the department 48 hours before being published."

https://michaelt1979.wordpress.com/2016 ... t-the-dfe/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:02 pm

yahyah wrote:Just in time for baked goods JA.

Outstanding

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:03 pm

It was rumoured a couple of days ago that the Labour whips would resign.
Ah well. You can't just a patch a small plaster over a gaping wound.

Am off to get ready for an evening of champagne socialism for a friend's birthday.
It takes some time to get prepped and done for party mode these days.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:22 pm

Well, I would have thought a few whips can be replaced easily enough - isn't the idea of having a new CW to have some new personnel underneath well?

And of course, Nick Brown is hardly a confirmed Corbynista so I'm not sure what all the hysteria is about......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:27 pm

FWIW parents had option to sent their children to private/segregated schools,all paid for-wouldn't have crossed their minds to even contemplate it,so it is somewhat ironic they are denigrated/besmirched as being "Daily Mail" readers,what they aren't are arch hypocrites,ploughing the "it must change" route but in the meantime taking full advantage of what they supposedly bemoan.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:30 pm

yahyah wrote:Am off to get ready for an evening of champagne socialism for a friend's birthday.
It takes some time to get prepped and done for party mode these days.

Have a lovely time!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:33 pm

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 2m2 minutes ago

Labour MP Rosena Khan set to be named shadow sports minister in Tom Watson's new team.

Fairly meteoric rise given she's just been elected but her wiki biog says that she's an amateur boxer so at least she knows one end of a tennis bat from another...

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:36 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, I would have thought a few whips can be replaced easily enough - isn't the idea of having a new CW to have some new personnel underneath well?

And of course, Nick Brown is hardly a confirmed Corbynista so I'm not sure what all the hysteria is about......

Brown joined on the condition the other whips stayed.

Corbyn doesn't have the bodies

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:46 pm

I like a good moan but suggest we move on from whingemageddon to focus our displeasure on the people who displease us (Tories, UKIP, bastards) even more that we displease ourselves.

You can find this and other ignored suggestions at Clanger.ideas.co.eu

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:46 pm

Well, we shall see about that.

I think a lot of MPs in the "middle" of the PLP spectrum are tired of this endless whining and bitching.

Their instinct is now to give JC a couple of years relative free rein and see how it goes.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:48 pm

coat. spotted it.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 2:54 pm

Brexit is like King Lear
a Shakespearean tragedy
thoroughly unnecessary doom

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:02 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, we shall see about that.

I think a lot of MPs in the "middle" of the PLP spectrum are tired of this endless whining and bitching.

Their instinct is now to give JC a couple of years relative free rein and see how it goes.

All the difference in the world between giving him space to fail, and serving under him.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:21 pm

Is Johnson Goneril or Regan?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:25 pm

blinking polymath

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:33 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Is Johnson Goneril or Regan?

Goneril. Liam Fox will be Regan, with any luck.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:36 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:blinking polymath

I've watched Kurosawa's Ran a few times too many.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:47 pm

Thus will surprise absolutely no one:

The Pound is tanking because there is no plan for Brexit, former Tory cabinet minister Ken Clarke warns - The Independent
https://apple.news/AwMr9JgZRQUqskY3kATVzzQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 3:55 pm

It works though. All this making people graft all the time means they (ie: I) don't have the energy to rise up and take to the streets every time our "elected" "representatives" do something stupid.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 4:13 pm

@JohnnyT1234
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It's just occurred to me - are you Boris-ing or Alan-ing? I've been away from the computer, and just waded in without catching up on the latest posts.

Edited - bold. If I may make so bold.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 4:16 pm

I was making a Yorkshire pudding.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 4:19 pm

posting.php?mode=edit&f=4&p=131779

Oh - and what was that?

Post by **refitman** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 4:22 pm

PorFavor wrote:posting.php?mode=edit&f=4&p=131779

Oh - and what was that?

Impressive?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 4:30 pm

I am in favour of the making of Yorkshire pudding, and wish it was something that occasionally happened in the Clanger household.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 5:10 pm

PorFavor wrote:It's just occurred to me - are you Boris-ing or Alan-ing?

Shakespeare - he works on so many levels.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 5:22 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Is Johnson Goneril or Regan?

I usually know better than to throw in claims from a source imperfectly studied. I've no idea. I apologise to everyone on the thread, sincerely. I know Goneril and Regan are daughters of King Lear. Who the hell is Johnson?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 5:34 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I am in favour of the making of Yorkshire pudding, and wish it was something that occasionally happened in the Clanger household.

Has your household been declared a Yorkshire pudding-free zone?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 5:52 pm

Mr citizen is reading King Lear to me

KING LEAR
The bow is bent and drawn, make from the shaft.

KENT
Let it fall rather, though the fork invade
The region of my heart: be Kent unmannerly,
When Lear is mad. What wilt thou do, old man?
Think'st thou that duty shall have dread to speak,
When power to flattery bows? To plainness honour's bound,
When majesty stoops to folly. Reverse thy doom;
And, in thy best consideration, cheque
This hideous rashness: answer my life my judgment,
Thy youngest daughter does not love thee least;
Nor are those empty-hearted whose low sound
Reverbs no hollowness.

KING LEAR
Kent, on thy life, no more.

KENT
My life I never held but as a pawn
To wage against thy enemies; nor fear to lose it,
Thy safety being the motive.

KING LEAR
Out of my sight!

KENT
See better, Lear; and let me still remain
The true blank of thine eye.

KING LEAR
Now, by Apollo,--

KENT
Now, by Apollo, king,
Thou swear'st thy gods in vain.

KING LEAR
O, vassal! miscreant!

Laying his hand on his sword

http://shakespeare.mit.edu/lear/lear.1.1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 5:58 pm

"Now gods, stand up for bastards!"

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 6:16 pm

Or not, if you prefer . . .

I'm flexible on the point.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 6:28 pm

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 12m12 minutes ago

Corbyn announces 21 new shadow ministerial appointments, among them 14 women and four BME.
7 retweets 3 likes

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 8m8 minutes ago

10 have returned after resigning, including Jack Dromey, Pat Glass and Sharon Hodgson.

Excellent. I have a lot of time for Pat Glass - hope she's back in education.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 6:29 pm

How many coffees? teas? more pumpkin pie?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 7:45 pm

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1515685 ... pointments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour Press
Labour’s Shadow Frontbench appointments

FAO Roger,Glass-Transport.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 8:01 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fo ... bar_twitte" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Former head of David Cameron's local Tory branch defects to Labour

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 8:26 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ms-altmann" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Radical plan for old age as leak reveals care crisis

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 8:46 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ms-altmann

Radical plan for old age as leak reveals care crisis

Ros "Baroness" Altmann...

"...last May, [as] pensions minister, notes a failure by government to deal with demographic change.
“I’m afraid this really is a looming crisis which has been left far too long already,” she writes in a
memo to No 10 and Oliver Letwin, then a cabinet minister. “This really is an issue that has the
potential to cause significant social and economic distress. There has been no real planning
for these demographic realities. No money has been set aside in the public or private
sector to fund social care if or when the needs arise ”"

Altmann's career is in pension portfolio management, isn't it?

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Sun 09 Oct, 2016 9:11 pm

Feeling a tad more uplifted by the news emanating over today from Labour.

Haven't gone as far as popping the Taittinger but I have indulged in a pint of the Rev. James.