Wednesday 12th October 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 5:28 am

Morning

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -fi-kettle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

English man spends 11 hours trying to make cup of tea with Wi-Fi kettle

"@markrittman why don't you just get normal fucking kettle"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 5:33 am

Samsung Galaxy Note 7: phone recall kit includes three boxes – and gloves
Extraordinary precautions taken by South Korean maker after both the original fire-prone phone and its replacement were withdrawn from global sale

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... and-gloves" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 5:34 am

Sometimes or more correctly most of the time I think it is me.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 5:36 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ked-clowns" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you see a killer clown, don’t run
Tim Dowling

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 5:39 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... sh-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Steve Bell on the horror of the sterling slump – cartoon

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 6:46 am

Brexit could knock almost £800 off annual wage of UK's poorest workers, report finds - The Independent
https://apple.news/AD6y5JHL9T82nXt6uV79t-A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government likely to miss £9 minimum wage target, thinktank warns - the guardian
https://apple.news/AN5pJDQ2mRy-8x0sUUghzGw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That sound you can hear is the one of promises being broken.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 6:54 am

That much needed period of silence from Liam Byrne? Yeah... it wasn't long enough.

Labour's Liam Byrne: I was at my lowest point after 'there's no money' note - the guardian
https://apple.news/AW_ZJa9jJS8G4Lb314-PVpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 6:59 am

Congressman apologizes for saying he might back Trump even if he condoned rape - the guardian
https://apple.news/AkNIYsZV7SSKkoC5I63_U0w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What to say? What to say.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 7:05 am

Ireland to set up 'rainy day fund' as buffer against Brexit shock - the guardian
https://apple.news/AHExxqWo9S0ObokEeaKAYXw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can I suggest that a rainy decade fund may be a safer bet?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 7:12 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:That much needed period of silence from Liam Byrne? Yeah... it wasn't long enough.

Labour's Liam Byrne: I was at my lowest point after 'there's no money' note - the guardian
https://apple.news/AW_ZJa9jJS8G4Lb314-PVpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just read it. Offensive? No, it was a silly joke. Stop apologising for it, you're legitimising TWPMIML and his stage act.

Morning all btw.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 7:51 am

Letter from Thornberry and Starmer to David Davis demanding answers to 170 questions about Brexit.

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberr ... vid-davis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:03 am

yahyah wrote:Letter from Thornberry and Starmer to David Davis demanding answers to 170 questions about Brexit.

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberr ... vid-davis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good idea. Top story on the news.

Publicises that it's a complicated issue. Thornberry's on a hot streak.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:13 am

yahyah wrote:Letter from Thornberry and Starmer to David Davis demanding answers to 170 questions about Brexit.

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberr ... vid-davis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder what Labours answers to any of them might be.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:32 am

Trump's told his supporters to go out and vote on November 28th.
Will it be the fault of the liberal elite political class that the election's on the 8th ?

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:41 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
yahyah wrote:Letter from Thornberry and Starmer to David Davis demanding answers to 170 questions about Brexit.

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberr ... vid-davis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder what Labours answers to any of them might be.

Irrelevant "whataboutery" as usual.
Labour aren't in government.
Labour didn't get us into this mess.
Cameron did & May is exascerbating it.
Stop making everything about Labour

Bye All

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:45 am

yahyah wrote:Trump's told his supporters to go out and vote on November 28th.
Will it be the fault of the liberal elite political class that the election's on the 8th ?

The thought was around a few months back that he doesn't actually want to win...

Morning all.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:53 am

Cameron's not going far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 8:59 am

yahyah wrote:Cameron's not going far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Give him his due that he is actually doing something on a voluntary basis.

But I still think that he could have made more of what was already going on and had been for decades rather than pretending that it was some great new idea he'd dreamt up.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:00 am

David Allen Green ‏@DavidAllenGreen 5m5 minutes ago

David Allen Green Retweeted Jonathan Ashworth MP

Not always seen eye-to-eye with @Keir_Starmer (#TwitterJokeTrial, if you recall it), but he is off to great start as shadow Brexit minister.

Not that you'd know it from what some people on here say.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:00 am

yahyah wrote:Cameron's not going far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It was pretty easy to predict that post politics Cameron's next career move would be wealthy posh person. Heading up his own charity seems about his level, tbh and hopefully the sum of his ambitions. God knows he's done enough damage already so it's quite a relief he has no desire to meddle with anything else that's actually important.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:02 am

yahyah wrote:Cameron's not going far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Cameron reveals what his first job will be after life in politics

Former PM to lead expansion of National Citizen Service, calling it 'the Big Society in action'

I think an extra space has crept in there, somewhere.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:02 am

Good morfternoon.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:05 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
David Allen Green ‏@DavidAllenGreen 5m5 minutes ago

David Allen Green Retweeted Jonathan Ashworth MP

Not always seen eye-to-eye with @Keir_Starmer (#TwitterJokeTrial, if you recall it), but he is off to great start as shadow Brexit minister.
Not that you'd know it from what some people on here say.

As I have said, I think the fact that Labour's position is one that inevitably leads to Hard Brexit is not something Starmer is personally responsible for.

I think Labour can never regain power, so I am much more exercises by whether anything can be done to avoid Hard Brexit than by party politics(the latter just being a harmless diversion).

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:15 am

I wonder how many of the political interviewers will reference the 170 questions when speaking to ministers?

Is this the fastest uturn / cave by a pm, fact fans?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:16 am

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:Cameron's not going far.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 56811.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Cameron reveals what his first job will be after life in politics

Former PM to lead expansion of National Citizen Service, calling it 'the Big Society in action'
I think an extra space has crept in there, somewhere.

I preferred thinking of it as a P for the B.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:16 am

A Labour figure who has been positively good on Brexit, because unlike Starmer able to argue for remaining in the single market, I'd highlight Sadiq Khan.

Starmer is hamstrung. Because it is Labour policy not to remain in the single market, all he can do is ask questions, without himself any answers to them. His brief is a hard one because of the shadow cabinet he finds himself in. Not his fault.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:23 am

From the G's business blog:

The Financial Times reports today that some senior Tories have admitted privately that the weak pound could create serious political headaches.

Mrs May said last week that the fundamentals in the British economy were strong and that the economy had grown more strongly than many had expected after the June 23 Brexit vote. “We see sterling moving in different ways at different times,” she said.

But some Tory MPs warn that “imported” inflation will erode living standards and undermine Mrs May’s attempts to help the “ordinary working-class” Britons who saw the Brexit vote as a cry for help.

The rising cost of fuel, food and foreign holidays are already being felt by families described by Mrs May as those who are “just getting by”. Labour has called for pro-Brexit ministers to apologise.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:24 am

Ice is inevitable. Water is for plants. Fact.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:26 am

SpinningHugo wrote:A Labour figure who has been positively good on Brexit, because unlike Starmer able to argue for remaining in the single market, I'd highlight Sadiq Khan.

Starmer is hamstrung. Because it is Labour policy not to remain in the single market, all he can do is ask questions, without himself any answers to them. His brief is a hard one because of the shadow cabinet he finds himself in. Not his fault.

It's an opposition's job to oppose, to critique, to question.

We're 4 years away from an election so the question of !"Well, what would you do?" doesn't arise. Labour are in no position to be able to implement anything right now.

It's up to the government to come up with what they are going to do and then put it to Parliament (if Labour get their way).

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:32 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:A Labour figure who has been positively good on Brexit, because unlike Starmer able to argue for remaining in the single market, I'd highlight Sadiq Khan.

Starmer is hamstrung. Because it is Labour policy not to remain in the single market, all he can do is ask questions, without himself any answers to them. His brief is a hard one because of the shadow cabinet he finds himself in. Not his fault.
It's an opposition's job to oppose, to critique, to question.

We're 4 years away from an election so the question of !"Well, what would you do?" doesn't arise. Labour are in no position to be able to implement anything right now.

It's up to the government to come up with what they are going to do and then put it to Parliament (if Labour get their way).

Indeed.

I thought Thornberry neutralised the 'well what would you do?' guff from Jenkin by saying that the Tories are in power, it's for them to do. If however they wanted to see what Labour would do then maybe the Tories should step aside.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:34 am

In other news, Labour managed to talk the pound up. Impressive. Put pressure on the government to have a debate, sending the pound up overnight.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:37 am

The Edu select committee proeceeding with three RSCs about MATs has just started if anyone is interested. #probablynot

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Inde ... 3cdd57dc08" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:45 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:A Labour figure who has been positively good on Brexit, because unlike Starmer able to argue for remaining in the single market, I'd highlight Sadiq Khan.

Starmer is hamstrung. Because it is Labour policy not to remain in the single market, all he can do is ask questions, without himself any answers to them. His brief is a hard one because of the shadow cabinet he finds himself in. Not his fault.
It's an opposition's job to oppose, to critique, to question.

We're 4 years away from an election so the question of !"Well, what would you do?" doesn't arise. Labour are in no position to be able to implement anything right now.

It's up to the government to come up with what they are going to do and then put it to Parliament (if Labour get their way).

The ability to oppose/critique is much stronger if you actually have an alternative to suggest.

But the big picture is that the one and only way of avoiding Hard Brexit is to stay in the single market. A Commons majority for that could be assembled if Labour backed it.

It isn't.

Why?

Corbyn.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:48 am

Hugo, it'd be good if just occasionally you'd agree that Labour has got something right instead of continually bringing everything back to your obsessiveness with Corbyn.

Otherwise all we seem to be doing is grinding to a standstill on here.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:56 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Hugo, it'd be good if just occasionally you'd agree that Labour has got something right instead of continually bringing everything back to your obsessiveness with Corbyn.

Otherwise all we seem to be doing is grinding to a standstill on here.

You've more chance of convincing my dog to ignore the squirrels when walking through the woods.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 9:58 am

Morning.

I know no-one here is inclined to look beyond the headlines of a 10p shit-sheet, but the fact remains that it and its ilk appear to have had more of an effect on public opinion than the enlightened among us might care to admit.

So, that in mind, here is what you will find today *after* "TIME TO SILENCE EU EXIT WHINGERS":

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:03 am

However, Redeker also questions whether MPs will really be given proper scrutiny.

"There is a fine line to walk as May’s Conservative Party wants a clean split from Europe.

In addition, giving in too much, even before Article 50 negotiations have started,shifts the negotiation advantage towards the EU. Hence, the pound’s rebound should be limited and followed by a decline.”

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... iness-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:07 am

NonOxCol wrote:Morning.

I know no-one here is inclined to look beyond the headlines of a 10p shit-sheet, but the fact remains that it and its ilk appear to have had more of an effect on public opinion than the enlightened among us might care to admit.

So, that in mind, here is what you will find today *after* "TIME TO SILENCE EU EXIT WHINGERS":

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Interesting that both the Express and mail have very similar message on their front pages today.

When I say interesting I mean 'almost certainly co-ordinated by No 10'

Post by **adam** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:10 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ked-clowns

If you see a killer clown, don’t run
Tim Dowling

At the moment I have to talk reassuringly about clowns to my Year 7 tutor group every morning.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:18 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Hugo, it'd be good if just occasionally you'd agree that Labour has got something right instead of continually bringing everything back to your obsessiveness with Corbyn.

Otherwise all we seem to be doing is grinding to a standstill on here.

I don't think Labour has got this right: at all.

Leaving the single market is a complete disaster for the UK.

it dwarfs all other current political issues.

For one of many pieces as to why, see Martin Wolf in today's FT

https://www.ft.com/content/939c7ed0-8e3 ... 28cb934b78" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Given that the government don't seem to want to stay in the single market, the only route left is the Commons to compel them.

The tragedy is a Commons majority for this *could* be assembled. I am pretty sure you could get Osborne and lots of other 'liberal' Tories to vote for it: their not being insane.

But instead of seeking a vote on that, and campaigning for it, what is Labour doing?

Silly party games.

Why?

Because Corbyn and McDonnell, unlike the bulk of the PLP don't want the UK to be part of the single market.

So, instead Labour's position is the meaningless one of seeking access to it.

Which is what Starmer said yesterday in questions, and what he says on Marr

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04bgp7m" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Notice how he corrects himself from 'in' to 'access to'. North Korea has 'acccess').

It is now up to the rest of the PLP. Miliband et al have to organise themselves independently of Corbyn. The problem then becomes, without the party whip there are probably insufficient numbers as you can't trust the Corbynites to vote for the single market,.

It is a disaster, a dsisater Labour is a subsidiary part of.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:22 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:A Labour figure who has been positively good on Brexit, because unlike Starmer able to argue for remaining in the single market, I'd highlight Sadiq Khan.

Starmer is hamstrung. Because it is Labour policy not to remain in the single market, all he can do is ask questions, without himself any answers to them. His brief is a hard one because of the shadow cabinet he finds himself in. Not his fault.
It's an opposition's job to oppose, to critique, to question.

We're 4 years away from an election so the question of !"Well, what would you do?" doesn't arise. Labour are in no position to be able to implement anything right now.

It's up to the government to come up with what they are going to do and then put it to Parliament (if Labour get their way).

The ability to oppose/critique is much stronger if you actually have an alternative to suggest.

But the big picture is that the one and only way of avoiding Hard Brexit is to stay in the single market. A Commons majority for that could be assembled if Labour backed it.

It isn't.

Why?

Corbyn.

Final ever response, I promise, then I'll piss off for good & leave SH to troll to his heart's content.

Who said, last Friday:

The problem with McDonnell is not his ability. He is very able indeed I think. Apart from the Red Book slip, he has performed his role as shadow Chancellor as well as he could. He has censored himself very ably.

He is, de facto, the leader of the Labour party.......McDonnell is far more dangerous individual than Corbyn.

SH Make you mind up - is it Corbyn or is it McDonnell who leads the Labour Party & is therefore driving that august institution to hell in a hand cart?

Seriously, goodbye to all. I haven't posted much of late, but I'm afraid that I can't cope with the ambience of the site any longer. Once upon a time we would have had a really good debate about Labour's 170 point letter, and their acting like an opposition, forcing a government U-turn, etc. etc. without it becoming "Corbyn, what a useless twat". In fairness there is more than one person on here who sees all the problems in Labour as being because of Corbyn, and all successes as being despite him.

Refitman/ PfY Many thanks for your efforts over the years to make this place what it is. Hopefully I'll still see you on Twitter etc.
For all contributors, have a good life, and thanks to most for your companionship.

Over & Out

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:34 am

Willow904 wrote:From the G's business blog:

The Financial Times reports today that some senior Tories have admitted privately that the weak pound could create serious political headaches.

Mrs May said last week that the fundamentals in the British economy were strong and that the economy had grown more strongly than many had expected after the June 23 Brexit vote. “We see sterling moving in different ways at different times,” she said.

But some Tory MPs warn that “imported” inflation will erode living standards and undermine Mrs May’s attempts to help the “ordinary working-class” Britons who saw the Brexit vote as a cry for help.

The rising cost of fuel, food and foreign holidays are already being felt by families described by Mrs May as those who are “just getting by”. Labour has called for pro-Brexit ministers to apologise.

Yep.

See also Martin Wolf today.

The market may provide the best opposition to the Tories.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:35 am

danesclose wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: It's an opposition's job to oppose, to critique, to question.

We're 4 years away from an election so the question of !"Well, what would you do?" doesn't arise. Labour are in no position to be able to implement anything right now.

It's up to the government to come up with what they are going to do and then put it to Parliament (if Labour get their way).

The ability to oppose/critique is much stronger if you actually have an alternative to suggest.

But the big picture is that the one and only way of avoiding Hard Brexit is to stay in the single market. A Commons majority for that could be assembled if Labour backed it.

It isn't.

Why?

Corbyn.
Final ever response, I promise, then I'll piss off for good & leave SH to troll to his heart's content.

Who said, last Friday:

The problem with McDonnell is not his ability. He is very able indeed I think. Apart from the Red Book slip, he has performed his role as shadow Chancellor as well as he could. He has censored himself very ably.

He is, de facto, the leader of the Labour party.......McDonnell is far more dangerous individual than Corbyn.
SH Make you mind up - is it Corbyn or is it McDonnell who leads the Labour Party & is therefore driving that august institution to hell in a hand cart?

Seriously, goodbye to all. I haven't posted much of late, but I'm afraid that I can't cope with the ambience of the site any longer. Once upon a time we would have had a really good debate about Labour's 170 point letter, and their acting like an opposition, forcing a government U-turn, etc. etc. without it becoming "Corbyn, what a useless twat". In fairness there is more than one person on here who sees all the problems in Labour as being because of Corbyn, and all successes as being despite him.

Refitman/ PfY Many thanks for your efforts over the years to make this place what it is. Hopefully I'll still see you on Twitter etc.
For all contributors, have a good life, and thanks to most for your companionship.

Over & Out

Stay around, use the ignore lists.

Unless you are already, and I'm on it, in which case you won't see this as

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:07 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:That much needed period of silence from Liam Byrne? Yeah... it wasn't long enough.

Labour's Liam Byrne: I was at my lowest point after 'there's no money' note - the guardian
https://apple.news/AW_ZJa9jJS8G4Lb314-PVpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am no fan of his, but tbf this is a reminder of the possible human consequences of political knockabout. He deserves some sympathy alongside the criticism IMO.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:19 am

Hello. A humble request that is difficult to phrase, so please bear with me.

If you've stopped posting here because of specific contributions you don't like (totally understood) it might be polite not to drop in to stir up more of the same. Dropping by for any other purpose would, obviously, be great.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:31 am

So. PMQs. What are we expecting? What are we hoping for?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:42 am

However much SH protests, events in the last 24 hours have somewhat contradicted his assertions here yesterday morning.

Another thing that has happened - a senior Labour figure tore into the "economic devastation" that a single market exit might cause.

Who was this? None other than a certain J McDonnell - who, we have repeatedly been told, wants only "North Korean" style "access" to said entity.

I was accused yesterday of endorsing "my party right or wrong". No, I just don't assume that the present Labour leadership is automatically wrong. Not the same thing

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:58 am

From the G business blog:

City jobs are more likely to move to New York than to Europe, if Britain loses access to the single market, Sir Jon Cunliffe argues.

The Bank of England’s deputy governor tells the House of Lords committee that it’s not plausible that London banks would move their operations to other European capitals.

Oh well, as long as the Yanks get all our City jobs rather than Europeans, that's all right then.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 11:59 am

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 12 Oct, 2016 12:01 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
yahyah wrote:Letter from Thornberry and Starmer to David Davis demanding answers to 170 questions about Brexit.

http://labourlist.org/2016/10/thornberr ... vid-davis/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder what Labours answers to any of them might be.

Why? I ask that gently, not demanding. Tory government wanted leadership, they've got it. Labour in opposition ask Tory government, 'What are you doing, why are you doing it and how will this impact people and country?'. Labour focused on holding Tory government responsible for their leadership is good. It's enough. You don't need to worry so much, that's all I'm saying.

My responses to everyone here are meaningful to me. I hope my contributions are helpful. I'm sincere and don't write to harm.