Tuesday 25th October 2016

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 4:21 pm

Sad news for football fans - Carlos Alberto has died.

Captain of one of the most talented football teams in history and scorer of that goal in the 1970 WC final - a tournament I watched all the way through.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 4:50 pm

Happened to be abroad so not so easy to follow,but do remember getting WC programme,still about somewhere,filling in team names and watching official film of the event etc.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 4:58 pm

Tizme1 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Just saw this, JA and others discussing housing yesterday may be interested.

A new development of affordable housing low energy homes opens in Pembrokeshire next month.
It's the first solar powered 'village' in Wales.

Only six houses at present, and it's a private development but it's taking tenants from the council's housing list. Tenants will have access to an electric car share and the advantage of low energy bills.
80% of the heating comes from solar power. The man who started it seems frustrated that there's been little interest from social housing organisations to build similar projects.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/b ... n-12070684" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks for posting that yahyah. It was an interesting read. As you may recall, I'm seriously considering relocating to Wales. All these positive vibes make it seem all the more a good move. Only three things holding me back really.

1) Moving so far from my children.
2) Leaving a community I've lived in for 25 years and obviously have many friends here.
3) The rain in Wales.

Thank you, yahyah. I've only read it once but I've saved it. A couple of things I'm turning over in my mind. I love any endeavour seeking to promote safe, affordable and secure housing for people using environmentally sustainable construction and energy usage. I'm less thrilled relying on private sector implementing and funding the project. The project's creator is insecurely positioned. He doesn't have a statutory duty providing people with housing and energy services. Government does. Government should be making these developments happen all over the country in an organised, sustainable, efficient and democratically accountable way. Someone doing government's job of providing affordable, ethical and sustainable services threatens powerful people and industry unconcerned about people or country. Vested interests want cooperative endeavour feasibly working shut down. It threatens revenue streams a few are content with as is though it's unsustainable and unaffordable.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:06 pm

Nobody told me we were on page 3 already . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:08 pm

We are on page 3.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:41 pm

Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:42 pm

No idea but I'm assuming it's so that they can include their real name, which is otherwise taken by someone else.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:47 pm

Womble44 wrote:Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?

It's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -at-a-time

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:48 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:No idea but I'm assuming it's so that they can include their real name, which is otherwise taken by someone else.

Maybe, but it seems to be specifically 3 parentheses. Just seemed odd to me. Dan Hodges uses it last I looked

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:49 pm

I've just received an e-mail informing me that my Labour Party membership is up for renewal.

Edited - tidy up

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:50 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Womble44 wrote:Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?
It's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -at-a-time

Ah, I see. Were I on Twitter I would do the same

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:50 pm

PorFavor wrote:I've just received an e-mail informing me that my Labour Party membership is up for renewa.l

I hope you corrected them

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:54 pm

Radioactive leak reported at Norwegian nuclear reactor - The Independent
https://apple.news/A16476PD3SSyK6MexANRSmw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Iodine leak (potentially Iodine-125, because it's radioactive). Particularly nasty as it accumulates in the thyroid gland and is a strong gamma emitter. Easily treated with iodine flushes *if* you know it's the contaminant you've been exposed to. Aerosols very easily.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 5:57 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Womble44 wrote:Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?
It's this.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... -at-a-time

Thanking you.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:04 pm

Just walked past a charity shop selling what I hope were Halloween costumes, which appeared to simply be blood soaked clothes. Am I right to find that worrying?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:06 pm

Earlier, Goldsmith told the House of Commons that Heathrow was “doomed” and would be a “millstone around the neck of the government” after the decision to proceed was hailed as “momentous” by Chris Grayling, the transport secretary. (Guardian)

That made me laugh.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -expansion

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:10 pm

Womble44 wrote:Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?

Could be especially keen fans of that very, very loud, yet partially-bracketed, band Sunn O))). Maybe one for PF?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:22 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Why the Lib Dems winning Richmond Park is bad news for Labour.

Give it time, give it time.

Logged on to thank you specially. Am worried about scaring people away.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:22 pm

Hobiejoe wrote:
Womble44 wrote:Random question, does anyone know what the deal with people using ((())) around their username on Twitter is?
Could be especially keen fans of that very, very loud, yet partially-bracketed, band Sunn O))). Maybe one for PF?

I saw them at the Royal Festival hall last year and can confirm their loudness.

An unrelenting wall of noise. Amazing experience - not one that I would have liked to experience in a place with lesser acoustics though.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:23 pm

Anatoly. Thanks.
And.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:27 pm

I need the noises of destruction

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:32 pm

Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.

Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:33 pm

What do we make of this then ?

Tom Newton DunnVerified account
‏@tnewtondunn
I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:34 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.
Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.

Snap Oops .... lol

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:38 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.
Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.

Also removed the possibility of a humiliating last place finish. Which seems the likelier reason to me.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:45 pm

Hi all. Just wondering if it's certain Zac Goldsmith will stand for re-election. Has he said anything yet that indicates he will?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 6:54 pm

Michael Gove paves the way for a Cabinet comeback as he heaps praise on Theresa May - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/ALfqrmGFoTlGIRYnxUMXoBQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just in case anyone wanted to feel intensely nauseated.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:11 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.
Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.
Also removed the possibility of a humiliating last place finish. Which seems the likelier reason to me.

Yes - I'm with you. After all, Zac Goldsmith will, essentially, be the Conservative candidate and will (if he wins) vote with the Conservatives - except on the Heathrow question (should it ever arise which it may well not). And once Heathrow is settled one way or the other (my money's on the other) he can rejoin the happy throng with the full blessing of his Conservative constituents.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:15 pm

The entire continent of Australia sways (a little) with the weather - Ars Technica
https://apple.news/AmDhoP7CPRgmSA4KI4arQ5g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quite remarkable... to add a political tilt to this, the GRACE satellites involved in determining this are the ones used to estimate the mass of ice at the poles, etc. So you can probably kiss this type of discovery goodbye if Trump and the Republicans prevail, because they sure as hell won't let them be replaced when it's needed.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:30 pm

Willow904 wrote:Hi all. Just wondering if it's certain Zac Goldsmith will stand for re-election. Has he said anything yet that indicates he will?

The Conservatives will not fight the by-election triggered by former Tory MP Zac Goldsmith, who has quit in protest over Heathrow expansion, a party spokesman said.

Mr Goldsmith said the decision to push ahead with a third runway was "catastrophic" and announced he will stand as an independent.

http://home.bt.com/news/uk-news/mp-zac- ... 4107995709" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:41 pm

But surely Goldsmith has to campaign on the airport issue, otherwise voters will rightly be completely baffled by the whole thing.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:54 pm

Brits who didn't vote in the EU referendum now wish they voted against Brexit

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-eu ... ers-2016-9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:56 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:But surely Goldsmith has to campaign on the airport issue, otherwise voters will rightly be completely baffled by the whole thing.

Yes he will campaign on the airport issue, that's his whole point.
LibDems will campaign on the airport issue AND remaining in the EU, Richmond vote something like 70% to stay in.....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:57 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tom Newton Dunn Verified account
‏@tnewtondunn

I understand PM will give Zac Goldsmith a free run in Richmond by-election, Tories will not field a candidate. Straight fight with Libs.
Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.
Also removed the possibility of a humiliating last place finish. Which seems the likelier reason to me.

(my bold)

Political party above all else, Tories.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:57 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:But surely Goldsmith has to campaign on the airport issue, otherwise voters will rightly be completely baffled by the whole thing.

As in he could resign and disappear from politics. Fine. But if he's going to stand as an Independent surely he has to almost be a single issue anti-Heathrow candidate. For the time being he's still a Tory I believe?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 7:59 pm

PorFavor wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Takes out the possibility of a loss to LibDems with a split Tory vote.
Also removed the possibility of a humiliating last place finish. Which seems the likelier reason to me.
Yes - I'm with you. After all, Zac Goldsmith will, essentially, be the Conservative candidate and will (if he wins) vote with the Conservatives - except on the Heathrow question (should it ever arise which it may well not). And once Heathrow is settled one way or the other (my money's on the other) he can rejoin the happy throng with the full blessing of his Conservative constituents.

Yes! I hadn't read your post before responding to JonnyT1234's.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:01 pm

I guess the other thing to think is that a massive media storm over Heathrow may do a little damage in London where the Tories are in real trouble anyway and keep the rest of us distracted from Brexit, NHS etc.

I'm not belittling the importance of the Heathrow decision btw, but I can't believe it will have any electoral impact in Colne Valley!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:04 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:But surely Goldsmith has to campaign on the airport issue, otherwise voters will rightly be completely baffled by the whole thing.
Yes he will campaign on the airport issue, that's his whole point.
LibDems will campaign on the airport issue AND remaining in the EU, Richmond vote something like 70% to stay in.....

He'll take a second electoral drubbing so his biography improves a bit. Environmental crusader yeah, a hero.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:14 pm

Currently giggling after discovering there's a player called Trippier in the Pool - Spurs match. Just a shame that Walkes and Can are both on the benches, "Can. Winks... Walkes to Trippier. Dier..."

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:14 pm

If the LibDems have a good candidate they might actually win it

Steve Osborne ‏@eduosborne 15m15 minutes ago
@Rosiecat2
Opportunity to send pro-EU message at Richmond by-election (voted 69% remain) Lib Dems won it in 2005 & narrowly lost it in 2010.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:15 pm

@Willow904

Bit late in replying, I know - but all reports indicate that Zac Goldsmith intends standing as an Independent. The closest to a definite I've been able to find so far is over at the BBC News website which says "he says he intends to stand as an Independent" but I can find no direct quote from the man himself to that effect.

(Hope all's well with you.)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:19 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:The entire continent of Australia sways (a little) with the weather - Ars Technica
https://apple.news/AmDhoP7CPRgmSA4KI4arQ5g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Quite remarkable... to add a political tilt to this, the GRACE satellites involved in determining this are the ones used to estimate the mass of ice at the poles, etc. So you can probably kiss this type of discovery goodbye if Trump and the Republicans prevail, because they sure as hell won't let them be replaced when it's needed.

Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment (GRACE)
Mission duration: Five-year primary mission extended

The starship Enterprise was originally just a five-year mission too.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:21 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Currently giggling after discovering there's a player called Trippier in the Pool - Spurs match. Just a shame that Walkes and Can are both on the benches, "Can. Winks... Walkes to Trippier. Dier..."

I thought "Trippier in the Pool" was his name and that he was playing in the Spurs match (which he is - but I've now worked out the finer points).

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:23 pm

Unfortunately, the Enterprise would be able to correct for orbital decay. A satellite can't. They'll need replacing at some point and the Republicans will undoubtedly nix that if they can. If they can't dispute the science, the next step is to stop the science from happening in the first place (the Aussies are playing at this game with CSIRO).

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:24 pm

PorFavor wrote:@Willow904

Bit late in replying, I know - but all reports indicate that Zac Goldsmith intends standing as an Independent. The closest to a definite I've been able to find so far is over at the BBC News website which says "he says he intends to stand as an Independent" but I can find no direct quote from the man himself to that effect.

(Hope all's well with you.)

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-10-25/zac- ... s-tory-mp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Currently giggling after discovering there's a player called Trippier in the Pool - Spurs match. Just a shame that Walkes and Can are both on the benches, "Can. Winks... Walkes to Trippier. Dier..."
I thought "Trippier in the Pool" was his name and that he was playing in the Spurs match (which he is - but I've now worked out the finer points).

Ha. It would have made some sense if I'd linked to the team sheets, but... lazy.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:27 pm

@HindleA

Thank you.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:32 pm

Who'll win the Richmond Park by-election?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/el ... k-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sarah Olney - A fresh new voice for Richmond Park & North Kingston

http://www.rplibdems.org.uk/sarah_olney" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As our PPC Sarah will take the fight to the Tories in Richmond Park & North Kingston and be a powerful counterpoint to Zac Goldsmith’s negative, divisive campaigning and pro-Leave stance.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:32 pm

Excellent

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 25 Oct, 2016 8:40 pm

Please turn the page.