Sat 5 and Sun 6 November 2016

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 4:42 pm

Womble44 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth
I follow Swindon, so don't have a whole lot positive on that front today

At least you've got a replay.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 5:04 pm

Men do not enjoy debauchery of stag dos, study finds - the guardian
https://apple.news/A7VYdpz7JRkGhfzH_829gNQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Translation: men really are very silly animals.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 5:58 pm

Watch out everyone, it's raining gays again...

Italian priest blames earthquakes on gay civil unions - the guardian
https://apple.news/AKdZCbrQES8yBNv_3yCHjvQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 6:17 pm

Christian Wolmar to stand for Labour in Richmond Park by-election (BBC News website)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37885035

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 6:23 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/201 ... rafinowicz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pop goes Trump! The artists, comedians and meme-makers deflating the Donald

http://www.30days30songs.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 6:25 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Watch out everyone, it's raining gays again...

Italian priest blames earthquakes on gay civil unions - the guardian
https://apple.news/AKdZCbrQES8yBNv_3yCHjvQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Halleluja it's ...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 6:38 pm

Teenager handed three-month suspended sentence for naming wifi network after Isis

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 99711.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 6:55 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/ ... l-services" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Leading authors join protest march against cuts to cultural services

Lots of things matter. How do we deal with it all.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:09 pm

For example:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.CDRT.IN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:15 pm

Not a fan of Murray to be honest but credit where it is due.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:19 pm

Not a big fan of Harris either but agree with him on this:

Bravo to the Greens of Richmond Park for showing progressives how to truly unite
John Harris
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -goldsmith" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

seems to get that solidarity is more a necessity than a naivite

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:28 pm

Cars for example.

1.25 million deaths globally in 2013
http://www.who.int/gho/road_safety/mortality/en/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:41 pm

What do the shapes actually mean?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:41 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:49 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:What do the shapes actually mean?

That the mushrooms you picked from the meadow for your breakfast were some of *those* mushrooms?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:27 pm

Back in 1983 this very evening I was sitting in a cinema with the girl who I'd asked out that afternoon.

And 33 years later...she's at work.

Every year we get to 5th November and struggle to recall how many years ago that was...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:31 pm

Hobiejoe wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:What do the shapes actually mean?
That the mushrooms you picked from the meadow for your breakfast were some of *those* mushrooms?

Amused me quite significantly. Reminds me of a sibling once: " 'kin 'ell. look at that sky. "
I'll say no more.

Sadly I was thinking of the shapes of the graphs. Eastern European deaths have gone up - is it over time and thus wars; or now and just that younger people are leaving.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:32 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Back in 1983 this very evening I was sitting in a cinema with the girl who I'd asked out that afternoon.

And 33 years later...she's at work.

Every year we get to 5th November and struggle to recall how many years ago that was...

that's very nice.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:35 pm

What was the film?

Edited,needless lowering of tone.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:37 pm

Nov 5 plus 2016 = Lewes Trump effigies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/l ... e24aafb4f7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:37 pm

HindleA wrote:What was the film(if you watched any of it?)

Steady on!

National Lampoon's Vacation. It had just come out.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:38 pm

Well remembered.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:40 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Back in 1983 this very evening I was sitting in a cinema with the girl who I'd asked out that afternoon.

And 33 years later...she's at work.

Every year we get to 5th November and struggle to recall how many years ago that was...

Happy anniversary Roger.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:41 pm

(and others)

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:46 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... ate-change" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
To deal with climate change we need a new financial system

As Peter Raven said (paraphrased): the only possible cosequence of constant growth is infinity.

And on a finite planet ...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 8:53 pm

Or. https://www.wired.com/2014/12/oneill-rpt-amr/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
currently around 700,000 deaths per annum (so, less than due to driving) but anticipating 10 million deaths per annum. AMR.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:01 pm

Apologies for the dark spell.
I quite liked this:

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 1104116577" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UKIP calls for ban on gay fencing
The party said that gay fencing was undermining British democracy and defying the will of the people.

very excellent image.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:02 pm

I see Rentoul has entered the fray over the 'enemies of the people' affair...

Brexit hysteria

Just back from New York, so I haven't written my usual "Sunday" column (which appears online on Saturday and in the Sunday Digital Edition of The Independent). I was at a conference on referendums at NYU, where Ed Miliband and others spoke, and it was interesting – I will write about it shortly.

But first I have returned to a huge fuss about yesterday's Daily Mail front page having a go at the judges in the Article 50 case as the "enemies of the people".

It is absurd tabloid hyperbole, but some of the scandalised headclutching about it is even more ridiculous. An attack on an independent judiciary, indeed. It is the vigorous expression of opinion.

If the Daily Mail simply said it didn't agree with the judges' ruling and that the case had been brought by people who patently want to obstruct the decision of the people in the referendum, I would agree with both points.

And, yes, it was obviously quite wrong for the online edition of the Mail to refer to one of the judges as "openly gay" – as it acknowledged by deleting the reference within hours.

But the print edition is entitled to express its opinion in colourful language. The hounding of Liz Truss, the Justice Secretary, for failing to rebuke the Mail for hounding the judges is just as silly as the original headline. An independent judiciary needs no protection from free speech.

No, John, it's based on a deliberate misreading of the implications of the judgement.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:04 pm

The campaign has been backed by the Daily Mail, the Daily Express, the Daily Telegraph and the Sun, who are all offering a free pork pie to readers who destroy any fence that looks gay

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:08 pm

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 1104116557" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Being 'reasonable' is for total f**king dickheads, agrees Britain

As Britain’s newspapers branded judges ‘enemies of the people’ for a legal ruling and compared the Brexit process to the horrors of the second world war, the public agreed that frothing at the mouth like a rabid dog is the best way forward.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:09 pm

He added: “If anyone even tries being reasonable around me, I’m punching first and asking questions never.”

Prime minister Theresa May said: “Loving this.”

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:16 pm

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/soci ... 5031796347
Sometimes I can't help myself.

Guardian fascinated by Wetherspoon's breakfasts.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:27 pm

Ooh...

Sky News Newsdesk Verified account
‏@SkyNewsBreak

Jeremy Corbyn says Labour will vote against Article 50 if the Prime Minister does not guarantee access to the single market

And don't forget that the Tory manifesto said this:

Life just just a bit more difficult for the government...although it could be argued that every country has access to the single market but I'd say that means within it.

Post by **adam** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:45 pm

Apologies if we've already had this (or, indeed if it's new but you simply don't give a fuck) but the Telegraph has gone a little bit more paywall, presumably finally coming to terms with the fact that people know how to delete cookies to avoid a limit on the number of articles they can read. Lots of their new content is now 'Premium' and without signing up (and paying) you can only read the opening.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:49 pm

adam wrote:Apologies if we've already had this (or, indeed if it's new but you simply don't give a fuck) but the Telegraph has gone a little bit more paywall, presumably finally coming to terms with the fact that people know how to delete cookies to avoid a limit on the number of articles they can read. Lots of their new content is now 'Premium' and without signing up (and paying) you can only read the opening.

Have they managed to get round the fact that you could use private windows on Firefox and the Chrome equivalent?

Post by **adam** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:53 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
adam wrote:Apologies if we've already had this (or, indeed if it's new but you simply don't give a fuck) but the Telegraph has gone a little bit more paywall, presumably finally coming to terms with the fact that people know how to delete cookies to avoid a limit on the number of articles they can read. Lots of their new content is now 'Premium' and without signing up (and paying) you can only read the opening.
Have they managed to get round the fact that you could use private windows on Firefox and the Chrome equivalent?

Doesn't work in private windows either (just checked). It just means that about half their content is now behind a 'proper' paywall rather than the pretend one they had before. I suspect it will mean that even more of their online readership with spend more time at the guardian making btl there even more unbearable.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:02 am

Not quite sure what to make of this one.

Controversial academy boss ‘on temporary leave’

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... an-cleland

However, a spokesman for ATT said that the incident was not linked to the current “situation”, adding: “Academy Transformation Trust’s chief executive officer, Ian Cleland, and managing director, Joyce Hodgetts, are currently on temporary leave. The trust’s executive team – Claire Pritchard, director of resources, Lisa Crausby, principal improvement director, and Mike Giddings, director of finance – continue to lead the organisation, reporting into the board.”

I;m pretty sure that back in the days, the top executive post in an org was called the MD. This changed into CEO when companies went all American. So why have both?

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:19 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Not quite sure what to make of this one.

Controversial academy boss ‘on temporary leave’

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... an-cleland

However, a spokesman for ATT said that the incident was not linked to the current “situation”, adding: “Academy Transformation Trust’s chief executive officer, Ian Cleland, and managing director, Joyce Hodgetts, are currently on temporary leave. The trust’s executive team – Claire Pritchard, director of resources, Lisa Crausby, principal improvement director, and Mike Giddings, director of finance – continue to lead the organisation, reporting into the board.”
I;m pretty sure that back in the days, the top executive post in an org was called the MD. This changed into CEO when companies went all American. So why have both?

Job title inflation. Those egos won't massage themselves you know.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:47 am

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7649" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

House of Commons Library

Abolition of the ESA Work-Related Activity Component

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:48 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... homes-tory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory ‘buy as you go’ plan to make renters homeowners

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 12:49 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/to ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories' childcare pledge in tatters as figures show drive to reform nursery system has been failure

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 1:02 am

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... al-britain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Observer view on the high court ruling on Brexit and parliament

"Yet castigating the judges and by extension, anybody who has the effrontery to agree with them, is exactly what the hard Tory Brexiters and their accomplices in the lie factories of Fleet Street have resorted to with a venom, vindictiveness and vituperation remarkable even by their standards. The will of the people has been thwarted by an “activist” judiciary. These bewigged, closet Remainers, members of the fabled “well-heeled liberal metropolitan elite”, are “enemies of the people”, they shriek. Some of these sleaze-peddlers even dipped into homophobia, highlighting the sexual orientation of one of the judges. Inexcusable. "

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 1:18 am

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... hed-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scrap the state pension triple-lock, says Committee

Saturday/Sunday seems to be the recent day of choice with these reports,can't think why.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... ed-minist/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 1:31 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -in-nevada" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Donald Trump rushed off stage by Secret Service agents at rally in Nevada
Republican nominee is shielded from crowd by two agents as a disturbance unfolds near the stage

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 2:09 am

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -in-nevada

Donald Trump rushed off stage by Secret Service agents at rally in Nevada
Republican nominee is shielded from crowd by two agents as a disturbance unfolds near the stage

Terrifying for him. The Clinton Loving Gunman almost missed his queue.

The Republican nominee shielded his eyes and looked into the crowd and was then suddenly rushed off the stage as an incident unfolded at the front of the crowd.

Witnesses said panic began when someone said: “He’s got a gun.”

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 6:28 am

I lack equanimity sometimes. And if I see the phrase "the will of the people" again I am going to tut.
Loudly.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 6:34 am

A number of politicians have said Theresa May must “make clear” that the independence of the judiciary was fundamental to democracy, describing the media tirade against the court decision as “chilling and outrageous” and "inciting hatred”.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 99176.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The incitement of hate
The Public Order Act 1986 made it an offence to use threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with intent to stir up racial hatred in the street or in a public speech. The Act also made it an offence to display, publish or distribute written material that is threatening, abusive or insulting with intent to stir up racial hatred. In both cases, it remains an offence without such intent if hatred is likely to be stirred up regardless.

The Public Order 1986 was amended by the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 which created a new offence; that of stirring up hatred against people on religious grounds.

The Public Order Act 1986 was further amended by the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 which created the offence of stirring up hatred on the grounds of sexual orientation with intent and such hatred was defined as towards persons of the same sex, the opposite sex or both.
http://www.inbrief.co.uk/discrimination ... ng-hatred/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We could do with an Ohso list of relevant headlines/stories in our marvellous press.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 7:44 am

Hobiejoe wrote:Witnesses said panic began when someone said: “He’s got a gun.”

There's something deeply ironic about an ardently pro-NRA, pro-no-regulation-of-weapons whatsoever group of people panicking about someone carrying a gun, don't you think? Surely all Donald would have to do is whip out his own gun and kill that person because, you know, having a gun stops other people with guns and will prevent other people with guns from killing people, blah, blah, blah. That is the warped logic these people believe, after all.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 7:51 am

Trump protester: I was beaten for holding a 'Republicans against Trump' sign - the guardian
https://apple.news/Am5JwxJ3qSf6yBhBL-N7vSw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The gun turns out to have been a piece of paper. Did it cut someone?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 06 Nov, 2016 7:58 am

Pensions triple lock and free TV licences must be ditched, ministers told - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/ADv2cv0knQKeHKtHWea9oqw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Frank Field being the Tories useful idiot as per.

Frank Field, the Labour chairman of the committee, said: “Homeownership, taken as a given by many in my generation, is out of reach for too many aspiring young people today.
“At the same time as tightening their belts, they are being asked to support a group that has fared relatively well in recent years.

Someone who is actually left wing would be arguing that the young should be elevated to the same level as the old, not that the old should be brought down to the level of the young.