Sat 5 and Sun 6 November 2016

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:19 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 99086.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
‘Unforgivable’ David Cameron put Tory interests first with referendum, says Jeremy Paxman
Prime Minister ‘put the country's identity up for grabs, and made no case for staying in Europe’, says former Newsnight presenter

hell. handbasket.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 7:30 am

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit- ... paign=i100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You could argue the chart shows MPs are out of touch (which in respect to our daily lives I think they are). But in respect to how leaving the EU could have devastating consequences for the country (and already has) one could argue that this simply shows the disconnect between people with knowledge (=power) and those who are denied knowledge through unequal education and a toxic press (as well as will).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:23 am

Good morfternoon.

Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'

In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)

I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:25 am

The Telegraph claim the Cabinet has discussed 'preparing for a snap election'.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any good news ?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:30 am

yahyah wrote:The Telegraph claim the Cabinet has discussed 'preparing for a snap election'.

http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index. ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Any good news ?

Not so's you'd notice (apart from the news on the ohsocynical front).

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 9:40 am

Why are the Cabinet bothering to discuss it ? Don't they know it's just a tiresome canard ?

Seriously though, the Telegraph doesn't even mention the fixed term Parliament act.
75% of their website poll respondents want a snap election, so presumably the Telegraph is trying to drum up public support for one.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:04 am

Its quite possible that "discuss" in this context actually means "it was mentioned in passing and the swift conclusion was it wasn't a viable proposition".

IMO it might only become a real possibility if the Commons voted down A50. But that isn't (for better or worse) at all likely.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:13 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'

In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)
I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process

I don't. They've run rough-shod over parliamentary procedure for the last 6 years and not a peep from him.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:22 am

Apologies for being off-topic, but this one is just so weird:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/37875609" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Canadian military has investigated a mysterious pinging sound coming from the sea floor in a remote region of the Arctic, officials have told the BBC.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 10:36 am

#wheresLizTruss is trending on Twitter

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:00 am

I seriously never thought I would be pleased to hear Anna Soubry say anything. Shows how bad things are getting....

“I think we have to call this out and say ‘not in my name’.” [some of the media is] “inciting hatred … It needs somebody like Boris Johnson to step up and speak out. He’s our foreign secretary and he knows what the reaction of the rest of the world is as they look at our great country and are horrified. What message are we sending out to the rest of the world? Probably that this nation is in grave danger of losing the plot – and I think we might have done.”

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:01 am

refitman wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Stephen Phillips MP: 'I can no longer live with being labelled a Tory'

In a letter to George Clark, chairman of the Sleaford and North Hykeham Conservative Association, Phillips said: “Some will label me a quitter or, no doubt, worse. Those are labels with which I can live. The label Conservative no longer is.” (Guardian)
I genuinely feel rather sorry for the man.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... it-process
I don't. They've run rough-shod over parliamentary procedure for the last 6 years and not a peep from him.

Fair comment, but its maybe understandable that he feels particularly betrayed by what has just happened.

Perhaps he held out the hope it would be better post-Cameron (rather than, if anything, worse)?

Everybody has their own "tipping point".

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:02 am

Government has gone into exactly the same kind of paralysis that happened after the referendum result.

It's "Wow, we didn't expect that! Now what do we do...er...um...crikey!"

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:40 am

Scots broadcaster shuts down Tory minister's aide after awkward interview - Daily Record
https://apple.news/Au5msk-tvQwi8lmaaAtbILQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'Do you want to do the interview instead?' Veteran STV broadcaster Bernard Ponsonby slaps down press officer

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:47 am

Plaid won a Labour seat in Cardiff on Thursday. Labour took it in 2012 when the Lib Dems were on their way down.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/polit ... l-12125231" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:49 am

I should have forewarned people about that last link. The politician being interviewed is the odious turd Fallon, not giving a 'straightforward answer' to a very straightforward couple of questions.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:49 am

Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:51 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:I should have forewarned people about that last link. The politician being interviewed is the odious turd Fallon, not giving a 'straightforward answer' to a very straightforward couple of questions.

Too late!

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:52 am

Jeremy Corbyn Wants To Hear Theresa May's Brexit Plans 'Without Delay' - The Huffington Post - UK
https://apple.news/AJnnKEXG9SWCm-Tto71m7zg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Front foot. Attack, attack, attack.

And he insisted that all UK businesses should be given “assurances” over the impact of Brexit to match those made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan before its announcement of new investment in Sunderland.
“We can’t have secret deals on Brexit, company by company,” Corbyn said.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:54 am

JonnyT1234 wrote:Jeremy Corbyn Wants To Hear Theresa May's Brexit Plans 'Without Delay' - The Huffington Post - UK
https://apple.news/AJnnKEXG9SWCm-Tto71m7zg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Front foot. Attack, attack, attack.

And he insisted that all UK businesses should be given “assurances” over the impact of Brexit to match those made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan before its announcement of new investment in Sunderland.
“We can’t have secret deals on Brexit, company by company,” Corbyn said.

It's good stuff.

“I suspect the Government opposes democratic scrutiny of its plans because - frankly - there aren’t any plans, beyond the hollow rhetoric of ‘Brexit means Brexit’.”

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:55 am

yahyah wrote:Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.

And I thought you were having a dig at Anatoly for not doing his round up

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 11:58 am

Labour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.

From the BBC

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:02 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Labour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
From the BBC

Also on the BBC was an interview with Dominic Grieve. He's not happy,

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Labour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
From the BBC
Also on the BBC was an interview with Dominic Grieve. He's not happy,

Indeed.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:10 pm

Idle thought: could Grieve be the next Tory to go? His views seems to be completely unrepresented by the Tory hierarchy these days. Even more so under May than Cameron.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:11 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/yvette- ... 1478335287&" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yvette Cooper

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:12 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Labour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
From the BBC

And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.

Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.

What more do people want?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:12 pm

Tony Blair.

Joke.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:14 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After ordering a beer, the barmaid told her off for failing to acknowledge traditional English pleasantries. She was bluntly told: “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” For Janz it was indicative of a changed atmosphere after the referendum. “Maybe I didn’t order in the most friendly way, but things like this never ever happened to me before,” she recalls. “I am more often reminded of the fact that I am a foreigner.”

Saying “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” in some snotty fashion is so polite and pleasant and friendly isn't it.

Proud to be British? My. Arse.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:16 pm

Farage: 'I'll be back in 2019 — and probably with a pitchfork' - The Local - Sweden
https://apple.news/ATh5dT5V6Mt-O01LHIpxMCg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At an awards ceremony for racists.

Presumably after his TrumpTV contract gets cancelled.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:16 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Labour has urged the government to come out and defend the three judges behind the controversial High Court ruling on the process of leaving the EU.
"The first duty of the Lord Chancellor, Liz Truss, is to protect the independence of the judiciary, and to be frank her silence on this is embarrassing, and she's letting down the British judiciary and the British legal system. Giving judges a roasting isn't part and parcel of any healthy democracy."
Ms Truss has made no comment yet.
From the BBC
And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.

Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.

What more do people want?

Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:

[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.

Yes. Exactly.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:19 pm

So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?

Anyone know?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:19 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99356.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bar Council calls on Liz Truss to condemn 'serious and unjustified attacks on the judiciary' after Brexit ruling
'A strong independent judiciary is essential to a functioning democracy and to upholding the rule of law'

Yes but they're unelected. Like policemen and doctors and teachers and spouses and children and parents and jugglers and TV presenters and fishermen and life boat volunteers and charity workers and care workers and .....

We don't want any of these unelected people in Britain. Or foreigners. Or experts. Or humanitarians.

We're ####s and we're BRITISH ####s!!!!!. AND WE'RE PROUD OF IT.

Now. Where's me flag ...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:21 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?

Anyone know?

Mr Christ (Jesus to his friends) passed away some time ago I'm afraid.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:22 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: From the BBC
And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.

Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.

What more do people want?
Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:
[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.
Yes. Exactly.

Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:22 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?

Anyone know?

He was giving a speech (rousing some say) at the CLASS think tank this morning.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:24 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:So what has JC been up to during this week of high drama?

Anyone know?

According to Sky

In a speech to the Class think-tank, he called for the Government's negotiating terms be transparent and accountable to Parliament.

Mr Corbyn also insisted all UK businesses should be given "assurances" over the impact of Brexit to match those apparently made by the Government to Japanese car-maker Nissan.

He said: "We accept and respect the decision of the British people to leave the European Union. But there must be transparency and accountability to Parliament about the Government's plans."

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:24 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: And yet people still keep insisting there is no opposition right now.

Lead story right now on the BBC is the one you've just posted from.

What more do people want?
Indeed. The opposition is being effective at the moment. And reasonably united. Here's Cooper:
[May] should avoid demonising Parliament or judges or whichever half of the population she disagrees with.
Yes. Exactly.

Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.

Or, more accurately 51.9% of 72.2 % being 37.5%. What I would call "less than 40%". But I'm no expert ...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:28 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Cleverly pointing out that it is half (or very nearly) of the population.

Or, more accurately 51.9% of 72.2 % being 37.5%. What I would call "less than 40%". But I'm no expert ...[/quote]

It's good not to be an expert. Apparently.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:28 pm

Bumboils. You get the drift.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:33 pm

Apart from the experts the TPA,Casey,Policy Exhange,Centre For Social Justice,Immigration Watch,barmaids trained in British pleasantries.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:34 pm

yahyah wrote:Before anyone manufactures a motive for my posting that, I did it because I've just seen in on the Western Mail website when checking Welsh news and that's the headline reporting of it. Labour also held a seat in Wales this week.

And in actual fact, Labour's vote share held up pretty well in the seat they lost - and dropped quite a bit more in the one they held

(though the latter may be partly explainable by the circumstances of the byelection - noncing issues)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:36 pm

Not forgetting the doyen,Toby Young.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:39 pm

JonnyT -your links keep proclaiming apple news,yet no information about apples.Am I missing something?Rhetorical question.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:44 pm

Wail continuing another British pleasanty of having knives out for well known communist agitator Gary Lineker.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 12:58 pm

mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:03 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rexit-vote" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
After ordering a beer, the barmaid told her off for failing to acknowledge traditional English pleasantries. She was bluntly told: “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” For Janz it was indicative of a changed atmosphere after the referendum. “Maybe I didn’t order in the most friendly way, but things like this never ever happened to me before,” she recalls. “I am more often reminded of the fact that I am a foreigner.”
Saying “We say please and thank you here in Great Britain.” in some snotty fashion is so polite and pleasant and friendly isn't it.

Proud to be British? My. Arse.

Yeah, pretty pathetic isn't it?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:04 pm

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sat 05 Nov, 2016 1:05 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

He voted against this. What did Saving Labour do?