Monday 7th November 2016

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:38 pm

David Davis:

He says there was a good reason the government did not take the advice of some MPs (he is referring to Jeremy Corbyn) and invoke article 50 immediately. It needed to work out its stance, he says.

A competent government would have already had one, you fuckwit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:40 pm

http://news.trust.org/item/20161107160326-3any4/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

British welfare reforms trampled on disabled rights -UN inquiry

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/CRPD/P ... edure.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://dpac.uk.net/2016/11/the-united-n ... published/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:40 pm

Ironically, if they had actually had one, they could have forced it through much quicker and with less scrutiny

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:52 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:David Davis:
He says there was a good reason the government did not take the advice of some MPs (he is referring to Jeremy Corbyn) and invoke article 50 immediately. It needed to work out its stance, he says.
A competent government would have already had one, you fuckwit.

A competent government wouldn't call a referendum on changing from the status quo to something they didn't want or expect to happen.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:52 pm

HindleA wrote:http://news.trust.org/item/20161107160326-3any4/

British welfare reforms trampled on disabled rights -UN inquiry

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/CRPD/P ... edure.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"As a strong parliamentary democracy, where the voices and opinions of disabled people are represented and listened to, the UK is a place where disabled people's rights are respected, promoted and upheld," the British government's response said.

Oh, so now it's a parliamentary democracy again, is it?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:56 pm

Two prisoners escape from London's HMP Pentonville - the guardian
https://apple.news/AfGz2x5mbTL28KZ9YlZi0Ig" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I wonder if they went to the Break Out cafe across the road to celebrate the success of their ruse? Good greasy spoon. Terrible tea though.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:58 pm

Willow904 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:David Davis:
He says there was a good reason the government did not take the advice of some MPs (he is referring to Jeremy Corbyn) and invoke article 50 immediately. It needed to work out its stance, he says.
A competent government would have already had one, you fuckwit.
A competent government wouldn't call a referendum on changing from the status quo to something they didn't want or expect to happen.

Of course.

Worth pointing out that he could equally have been referring to Cameron, Osborne and countless other Tory MPs with that comment?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 5:59 pm

'the threshold of grave or systematic violations of the rights of persons with disabilities has been met'

Just to be clear.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:02 pm

"I don't recognise that."

Thought I'd just get the government's reply to every question about this in early for you.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:03 pm

+453.8K Latinos voted early in Florida, that's an increase of 86.9% compared to 2012

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Latinos (not) for Trump?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:05 pm

Anyone staying up tomorrow night ?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:06 pm

I curse every election I do it for. So, no, you'll be glad to hear.

School night, anyway.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:07 pm

Did I really just hear a Trump supporter on Radio 4 say that America needs someone who doesn't lie ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:10 pm

I'll have my mini radio and headphones on for Radio 4 coverage as I snooze.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:10 pm

For those interested in hearing some of the Lexit views, first letter in the Indy:

Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan is sensible – we need a People's Brexit - The Independent
https://apple.news/A5U1g35iCT3WnPH3l0Qk1aQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Some good letters there today, too.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:13 pm

yahyah wrote:Anyone staying up tomorrow night ?

I wish I could, but have work. Will probably call it a night at midnight, anyone know where things will be at that time?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:16 pm

Did the writer of the first letter not realise that the Tories were in government when he voted ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:23 pm

CNN for me,Wolf Blitzer,Anderson Cooper,brother of Mini.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:26 pm

Womble44 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Anyone staying up tomorrow night ?
I wish I could, but have work. Will probably call it a night at midnight, anyone know where things will be at that time?

I did see something that said it depends on how things go. If Clinton does well, and takes Florida it'll pretty much be called for her early on. If not it would be about 4 or 5am.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:27 pm

Sports Direct accused of recording MPs during surprise warehouse visit
http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... -warehouse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Features a hilariously inept attempt to secretly record them while having sandwiches.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:37 pm

US election: Donald Trump could still win vote by significant margin, according to latest LA Times poll - The Independent
https://apple.news/A6kwh6yCaSHanLTzIpTJesQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Never, ever trust polling.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:42 pm

May says 'citizen of the world' criticism was aimed at firms - Reuters
https://apple.news/A-RNtO0CyQ_esHIcLYTmf-w" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enemy of business / Stalinist. Take your pick.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 6:43 pm

Looks at possibility in going to Mars.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 7:17 pm

HindleA wrote:Looks at possibility in going to Mars.

I'm not entirely convinced that'll be far enough away.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 7:21 pm

Labour won’t block article 50 – but don’t expect a blank cheque - the guardian
https://apple.news/AQ_LNQS7QQmuQNZC0OVEsAw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keir Starmer

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 7:24 pm

FBI has gone from disgraceful to brave to disgraceful again.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 7:34 pm

An old but still relevant article/explanation on £50 billion and international comparisons

UK expenditure on disability in international perspective

http://lartsocial.org/disexpintrnl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 8:05 pm

Looks at possibilities of time travel.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 8:23 pm

Labour's candidate in Richmond by-election wants to ban loo roll and doesn't use it at home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... -loo-roll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a wholly bad idea, but not the snappiest campaign slogan I've heard.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 8:55 pm

Sadly,even the self proclaimed lefties spouting the "children didn't choose the parents line" on benefit cap.Presumably,a partners death,being not terminally ill enough etc is a choice.

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 8:56 pm

RIP Sir Jimmy Young.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 8:56 pm

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 9:00 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Labour's candidate in Richmond by-election wants to ban loo roll and doesn't use it at home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... -loo-roll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a wholly bad idea, but not the snappiest campaign slogan I've heard.

Highlighted by the Telegraph. You were expecting a nuanced reportage from those loons?

Still, I reckon a candidate well known for his transport expertise is, under the circs, a good choice of candidate. And the Green vote is up for grabs....

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 9:51 pm

Hobiejoe wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Labour's candidate in Richmond by-election wants to ban loo roll and doesn't use it at home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... -loo-roll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a wholly bad idea, but not the snappiest campaign slogan I've heard.
Highlighted by the Telegraph. You were expecting a nuanced reportage from those loons?

Still, I reckon a candidate well known for his transport expertise is, under the circs, a good choice of candidate. And the Green vote is up for grabs....

I just don't happen to think that Banning Loo Rolls is a catchy campaign line, it's quite a long(ish) article with lots of detail so I presume it's not all made up, although granted it maybe embellished.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 9:56 pm

Steve Bell on Theresa May's trip to India – cartoon

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 10:01 pm

HindleA wrote:Looks at possibilities of time travel.

I'd love to breathe countryside air our ancestors enjoyed a few hundred years ago. I understand the risk of getting dead by diseases
not successfully treatable during that time. But I'd love to see it and experience it, HindleA. The stars, structures lost to us now, the
wildlife... I'd love to hear the quiet. I'd love to talk with authors and artists I only know through their work.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 10:03 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:12 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37899305" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UN: 'Grave' disability rights violations under UK reforms

However, Work and Pensions Secretary Damian Green rejected the report's findings and said the document demonstrated "an outdated view of disability which is patronising and offensive".

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:12 pm

US election: Swing states hit by worries that Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump voters are getting locked out - The Independent
https://apple.news/AAu72EMaTRF6aE7YGGZeo0A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If there was one thing you'd think was solely regulated and enforced at a federal level... What a mess. Again.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:16 pm

Ugh, Anne coulter on newsnight

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:22 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Labour's candidate in Richmond by-election wants to ban loo roll and doesn't use it at home

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... -loo-roll/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not a wholly bad idea, but not the snappiest campaign slogan I've heard.

what's the closest we've to to a wtf emoticon?

cars or loo roll. oh I don't know.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:22 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... redictions" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US presidential election: five scenarios that could play out this week
With less than 24 hours before election day, Tom McCarthy predicts and considers five possible results – each named after an imaginary electoral cocktail

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:26 pm

Fu
king
hell

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:34 pm

Case argues Vote Leave and Leave.EU made ‘knowingly misleading’ assertions of fact, including claim EU cost UK £350m a week

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... led-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:35 pm

Case argues Vote Leave and Leave.EU made ‘knowingly misleading’ assertions of fact, including claim EU cost UK £350m a week

gsbus.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... led-voters" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 07 Nov, 2016 11:36 pm

The elected experts(pah) of the Committee.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/CRPD/P ... rship.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 12:39 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ver-before" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trussell Trust to deliver more emergency food parcels than ever before
UK’s biggest food bank highlighted delays with social security payments and benefit sanctions as factors behind record use

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 1:32 am

http://money.aol.co.uk/2016/11/07/steph ... e-reforms/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stephen Crabb urges more changes to welfare reforms

"I was totally against the changes I voted for",part 123to be continued.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 2:20 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-379020 ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Councils risk 'legal action over care cuts'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 2:23 am

The numbers getting help from their council with care had fallen by 26% to 850,000 in the four years to 2014
Spending on care by councils had fallen by 25% in real terms in the five years to 2015, to £5.1bn
Additional money from the NHS and increased contributions from individuals had topped this up to £7.2bn, but that still represented a cut of 9%
More than 40% of money paid to care homes came from people paying for themselves
One million people with care needs now receive no formal or informal help - a rise of 10% in a year
Once younger people with disabilities are included, the funding shortfall was likely to be in the region of £1.9bn next year