Tuesday 8th November

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:20 pm

One thought, how would the voting work? Wouldn't that annoy the Norwegians?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:26 pm

Willow904 wrote:...but I thought Labour were more principled than that...

Am beginning to think I live in a parallel universe. The % of Labour MPs with principles is in the low tens, not the high.

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:38 pm

Remember everyone, if you are worried about Trump winning tonight, the guy is all talk. He has no consistency on his views so he is unlikely to push through anything too heinous.

Just my personal view, I reserve the right to be wrong

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:46 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
The Government is steering us off a cliff with Brexit – but that’s fine, because it’s ‘the will of the people’
Labour, too, has no problem with this view of 'the will of the British people'. Tom Watson loves the phrase. So does Hilary Benn. When the opposition party’s safest seats are the most Brexity in the country, don’t imagine anything that looks like actual opposition to last for very long
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 03186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I see I'm not alone

' the will off the British people'.... 17.4 million voted leave.

So the Uk ( all 65,111,145 of them ) is forming an orderly queue.

They will have to prise my fingers from the door frame.
I'd be delighted to hear from anyone in any party sharing my views.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:49 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
The Government is steering us off a cliff with Brexit – but that’s fine, because it’s ‘the will of the people’
Labour, too, has no problem with this view of 'the will of the British people'. Tom Watson loves the phrase. So does Hilary Benn. When the opposition party’s safest seats are the most Brexity in the country, don’t imagine anything that looks like actual opposition to last for very long
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 03186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I see I'm not alone
' the will off the British people'.... 17.4 million voted leave.

So the Uk ( all 65,111,145 of them ) is forming an orderly queue.

They will have to prise my fingers from the door frame.
I'd be delighted to hear from anyone in any party sharing my views.

Indeed 37.5 percent of potential voters and 27% of the actual population. And the other 73% of us aren't allowed to say anything because people are "bored" of us "moaning".

hmm.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 7:56 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... il-servant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The UK’s global diplomatic and security influence is at risk if it cuts itself off from the single market and continues to denigrate foreigners, a former civil servant has warned.

Sir Simon Fraser, who was permanent under-secretary at the Foreign Office until last year, said Britain’s position near or at the top diplomatic table was at stake after the vote to leave the European Union.

He said: “There is already evidence of potential self-harm in our behaviour to foreign people: the reported spike in hate crime, the insensitive comments of some British politicians, and the shocking press coverage of the legal judgment on article 50.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
EU leaders plan to meet next month to discuss Brexit without UK

Surely not? I mean Theresa told them they couldn't.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:02 pm

Not material I'd ordinarily read but...

Prince Harry lambasts press over coverage of girlfriend Meghan Markle
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... e-coverage" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One comment piece in last weekend’s Mail on Sunday, by Rachel Johnson, said: “Genetically, she is blessed. If there is issue from her alleged union with Prince Harry...

Writing of parallel universes... The what of her what?

...the Windsors will thicken their watery, thin blue blood and Spencer pale skin and ginger hair with some rich and exotic DNA.”

I think she means 'black'.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:05 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Not material I'd ordinarily read but...

I'll bet

(winking emoticon)

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:11 pm

Well, it's got the word Prince and girlfriend in the title* so I would ordinarily glaze over. The lambasted the press bit hooked me in though. Turned out to be worth it for the, "Who, us? Never us cos we's honest guv, swear on my poor ol' ma's grave." excuses of the Sun and Mail at the end of the article alone.

* Plus no 'woman wears dress', so obvs not worth it.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:13 pm

Womble44 wrote:Remember everyone, if you are worried about Trump winning tonight, the guy is all talk. He has no consistency on his views so he is unlikely to push through anything too heinous.

Just my personal view, I reserve the right to be wrong

'His' hair on the other hand... outright dangerous. We're doomed if it gets anywhere near the launch codes.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:16 pm

yahyah wrote:Did whoever invented the American political system deliberately make it as confusing as possible ?

Leading light for democracy, doncha know. Leader of the free world and envy of the oppressed everywhere.

Post by **adam** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:17 pm

yahyah wrote:We used to have FTN playlists for elections.

[youtube]2-Abd5eSqCg[/youtube]

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:19 pm

Lords defeat government over child protection proposals - the guardian
https://apple.news/AlUN-I7jBQxe3q0Xyclwomw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I can think of several better ways of writing that headline. Ones that don't make it sound like the government were the good guys would be a good place to start. Bloody Guardian.

Post by **adam** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:22 pm

1980

[youtube]XBu2Dz9NZMI[/youtube]

1984

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JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:23 pm

We may need this tomorrow morning...

[youtube]HuO3wwLuF0w[/youtube]

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:24 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lords defeat government over child protection proposals
Plan to deregulate council social workers is a bad idea that has not been properly evaluated, says Lord Ramsbotham

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:30 pm

For HindleA, should the worst come to the worst...

[youtube]yFtgByRvHiI[/youtube]

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:42 pm

Even if they did rip off John Martyn and all Britons:

[youtube]W773ZPJhcVw[/youtube]

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:44 pm

One for Americans everywhere... though not Obama, obviously...

[youtube]lZD4ezDbbu4[/youtube]

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:49 pm

High Court judges launch unprecedented legal action against embattled Justice Secretary Liz Truss - The Independent
https://apple.news/AtWJOHwPqT0Wvw0bxr9k4aw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

LOL.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:51 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
The Government is steering us off a cliff with Brexit – but that’s fine, because it’s ‘the will of the people’
Labour, too, has no problem with this view of 'the will of the British people'. Tom Watson loves the phrase. So does Hilary Benn. When the opposition party’s safest seats are the most Brexity in the country, don’t imagine anything that looks like actual opposition to last for very long
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 03186.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I see I'm not alone
' the will off the British people'.... 17.4 million voted leave.

So the Uk ( all 65,111,145 of them ) is forming an orderly queue.

They will have to prise my fingers from the door frame.
I'd be delighted to hear from anyone in any party sharing my views.

Hear, hear!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:52 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Well, it's got the word Prince and girlfriend in the title* so I would ordinarily glaze over. The lambasted the press bit hooked me in though. Turned out to be worth it for the, "Who, us? Never us cos we's honest guv, swear on my poor ol' ma's grave." excuses of the Sun and Mail at the end of the article alone.

* Plus no 'woman wears dress', so obvs not worth it.

I was always a bit disappointed they didn't call the first kid Wayne. I wouldn't have minded a King Wayne.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 8:54 pm

The last from me... maybe.

[youtube]83KA_kFfBSw[/youtube]

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:01 pm

King Wayne Windsor
Ging gang goolie wotcha
Ging gang goo
Saxe Coburg Gotha
Ging gang goo
Heil a Heil a Saxe
Ging gang goo.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radi ... r-15-years" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Planet Earth II most watched natural history show for 15 years
With 9.2m viewers, David Attenborough’s BBC1 documentary is already one of the most popular TV shows of the year

Filmed on location across Britain by Dan Hannan.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:03 pm

Tc2 wins the internet today. Very well played.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:14 pm

(uncharacteristically modest emoticon)

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:19 pm

Brexit court ruling appeal date set for 5 December - BBC News
https://apple.news/A0HFwjVgcShGlHqEnE_banA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

BNP And EDL To March With Nigel Farage In Supreme Court Protest - The Huffington Post - UK
https://apple.news/AgeWygprjTSKbphLezlbUbw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Remember: not racist. Oh no. Not racist.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:25 pm

What I was looking for before: The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy - Language of Violence

The first day of school was always the hardest
The first day of school, the hallways the darkest

Like a gauntlet
The voices haunted
Walking in with his thin skin lowered chin
He knew the names that they would taunt him with

Fagot sissy punk queen queer
Although he'd never had sex in his 15 years
And when they harassed him, it was for a reason
And when they provoked him, it became open season

For the fox and the hunter, the sparks and the thunder
That pushed the boy under, then pillage and plunder
It kind of makes you wonder
How one can hurt another

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
And calculating violator

Words can reduce a person to an object
Something more easy to hate
An inanimate entity, completely disposable
No problem to obliterate

But death is the silence
In this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
In this cycle of violence
Death is the silence

It's tough to be young, the young long to be tougher
When we pick on someone else it might make us feel rougher
Abused by their fathers but was at home though
So to prove to each other that they were not homos

The exclamation of the phobic fury
Executioner, a judge and jury
The mob mentality, individuality was nowhere
Dignity forgotten at the bottom of a dumb
Old dare and a numb cold stare

On the way home it was back to name calling
Ten against one they had his back up against the wall and
They reveled in their laughter as they surrounded him
But it wasn't a game when they up jumped and grounded him

They picked up their bats with their muscles straining
And they decided they were gonna beat this fella's brain in
With an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance

They didn't hear him screaming, they didn't hear him pleading
They ran like cowards and left the boy bleeding
In a pool of red 'til all tears were shed
And his eyes quietly slid into the back of his head
Dead

But death is the silence
In this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
In this cycle of violence
Death is the silence

But death is the silence
In this language of violence
Death is the silence

But death is the silence
In this cycle of violence
Death is the silence

You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops
The boy's parents were gone and his grandmother had raised him
She was mad, she had no form of retaliation

The pack didn't have to worry about being on a hit list
But the thing they never thought about was that there was a witness
To this senseless crime, right place wrong time
Tried as an adult one of them was gonna do hard time

The first day of prison was always the hardest
The first day of prison, the hallways the darkest

Like a gauntlet
The voices haunted
Fagot, sissy, punk, queen, queer
Words he used before had a new meaning in here

As a group of men in front of him came near
For the first time in his life the young bully felt fear
He'd never been on this side of the name calling
Five against one they had his back up against the wall and

He had never questioned his own sexuality
But this group of men didn't hesitate in their reality
With an awful, powerful, showerful, an hour full of violence
Inflict the strictest brutality and dominance

They didn't hear him screaming
They didn't hear him pleading
They took what they wanted and then left him bleeding in the corner
The giant reduced to Jack Horner

But dehumanizing the victim makes things simpler
It's like breathing with a respirator
It eases the conscience of even the most conscious
And calculating violator

The power of words, don't take it for granted
When you hear a man ranting
Don't just read the lips, be more sublime than this
Put everything in context

Is this a tale of rough justice
In a land where there's no justice at all?
Who is really the victim
Or are we all the cause and victim of it all?

But death is the silence
In this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
In this cycle of violence
Death is the silence

But death is the silence
In this language of violence
Death is the silence
But death is the silence
In this cycle of violence
Death is the silence

You won't see the face 'til the eyelids drop
You won't hear the screaming until it stops

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:52 pm

The DfE started tweeting from the Edu select committee this morning. Only bits of Gibb naturally. This one isn't going down terribly well with certain HTs...

DfE Verified account
‏@educationgovuk

NG: We want to bring the DNA of a grammar school to other schools, to ensure they're delivering a similarly high quality education.

Patronising much?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:52 pm

OK. So not my last one. This seemed apt (it is not This Land Is My Land)

[youtube]VwcKwGS7OSQ[/youtube]

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 9:55 pm

Here's Charles Goerens Amendment- page 99
Amendment 882
Charles Goerens
Motion for a resolution
Paragraph 37 a (new)
Motion for a resolution Amendment
37a. Advocates to insert in the Treaties
a European associate citizenship for those
who feel and wish to be part of the
European project but are nationals of a
former Member State; offers these
associate citizens the rights of freedom of
movement and to reside on its territory as
well as being represented in the
Parliament through a vote in the
European elections on the European lists;

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/get ... V0%2f%2fEN" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 10:01 pm

First polls close one hour.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 10:15 pm

Robbie CollinVerified account
‏@robbiereviews
"Brexit day"

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 10:20 pm

(to @piersmorgan )
User Actions
Following

Gary LinekerVerified account
‏@GaryLineker Gary Lineker Retweeted Piers Morgan
I must say your ability to continually tweet from deep inside Trump's bowels is rather impressive.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 10:31 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 10:32 pm

The NS 2016 Presidential Election Liveblog
Stephen Bush

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/el ... n-liveblog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 11:27 pm

If only the left hadn't turned in on itself Trump wouldn't have won.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 11:29 pm

HindleA wrote:The NS 2016 Presidential Election Liveblog
Stephen Bush

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/el ... n-liveblog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not an overly impressive start....

23:05: For those of you just joining us, welcome. Here's where we are.

Polls will start closing at midnight, when we'll get our first results.

Whereas according to the Graun....

23:00
Polls close in Indiana, Kentucky

We will frequently be referring you tonight to our comprehensive results page, and we do so now, with the first poll closings. Which just happened.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 08 Nov, 2016 11:31 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:If only the left hadn't turned in on itself Trump wouldn't have won.

And if only the BBC didn't have Jeremy Vine pillocking about, I wouldn't have changed TV channels.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:03 am

Projection Kentucky,Indiana -Trump-19,Vermont-HC-3.

Post by **adam** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:09 am

Neither Georgia nor South Carolina have been called on closing - both easy Romney wins last time - good sign for HRC.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:12 am

HindleA wrote:Projection Kentucky,Indiana -Trump-19,Vermont-HC-3.

Shhh, don't tell the NS, they're still glugging beer with an impressive insouciance.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:21 am

adam wrote:Neither Georgia nor South Carolina have been called on closing - both easy Romney wins last time - good sign for HRC.

Having been brought up to hold Returning (or Deputy Returning) Officers in a stolid, pedantic oracular (I think I just made that word up, but you know what I mean, and if you don't I know who to ask) awe, I'm bemused by the way any old media organisation can "call" a result as soon as the polls close, seemingly on the basis of nothing more than some polling, gut instinct and the political persuasions of their proprietors, and that is pretty much taken as gospel.

Particularly as voting is still taking place to the west.

*edit* An exclamation mark. Whatever was I thinking.

Post by **adam** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:27 am

Hobiejoe wrote:
adam wrote:Neither Georgia nor South Carolina have been called on closing - both easy Romney wins last time - good sign for HRC.
Having been brought up to hold Returning (or Deputy Returning) Officers in a stolid, pedantic oracular (I think I just made that word up, but you know what I mean, and if you don't I know who to ask) awe, I'm bemused by the way any old media organisation can "call" a result as soon as the polls close, seemingly on the basis of nothing more than some polling, gut instinct and the political persuasions of their proprietors, and that is pretty much taken as gospel.

Particularly as voting is still taking place to the west.

*edit* An exclamation mark. Whatever was I thinking.

It is a strange system, I agree. I always feel like tutting if the candidates in UK elections seem to be giving the game away by the facial expressions before the result is announced.

Post by **adam** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:29 am

I've got half an eye on the graun live blog but more than one and a half on the 538 live blog.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:32 am

adam wrote:I've got half an eye on the graun live blog but more than one and a half on the 538 live blog.

Of course. D'oh.

I'll leave the NS to their snack based coverage.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:36 am

Emily Maitlis in NY talking about voter suppression. Lets hope she holds on to that thought on the flight home.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 09 Nov, 2016 12:54 am

Clinton ahead 2.8% in Florida after 71% ,even or slightly ahead in areas compared to 2012,so far.