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Trump Trial Versus Ex-Students May Feature Campaign Comments

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7 Times Ed Miliband Was Cooler That You Thought Ed Miliband Could Possibly Be - The Huffington Post - UK
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No. 3 is good. The Guardian probably wet its pants about it.
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https://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/ ... e-tuc-oecd" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Britain has suffered a bigger fall in real wages since the financial crisis than any other advanced country apart from Greece, research shows.

A report by the TUC, published on Wednesday, shows that real earnings have declined more than 10% since the credit crunch began in 2007, leaving the UK equal bottom in a league table of wages growth.
The government's response? Change the subject:

The Treasury said the TUC study did not fully reflect living standards, which were also affected by changes to taxes and benefits. It added that the number of people in work had been rising and was above the levels of early 2008, when the economy entered its longest and deepest postwar recession.
As the article goes on to point out, some countries have managed to raise both the employment rate and real wages.
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Donald Trump will have to defend himself in court over fraud claims before he becomes president
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Should anyone actually give a shit any more.
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Vandals destroy shop windows and graffiti anti-Semitic slurs in Philadelphia on 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht
On 8 November 1938, Nazis in Germany set fire and destroyed Jewish homes - today the vandalism in the US is an eerie reminder of the not so distant past
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Government student loans are “illegal” and “unenforceable”, a top lawyer has said, arguing that graduates must be reimbursed for signing misleading contracts at extortionate interest rates.

Students graduating from university this year face interest rates of 4.6 per cent on government loans, which cover tuition fees, living costs and repayable grants.

Concerns have been raised about the soaring cost of the loans, which could leave graduates paying out more than £100,000 – double the amount initially borrowed - according to independent analysts.
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Theresa May must repay Cameron’s illegal student loans
'Student loans are lining the pockets of third party 'fat cats'... if they ask to negotiate, they meet a brick wall'
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Nigel Farage Sparks Fierce Racism Row For Branding Barack Obama A ‘Creature’

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Theresa May's Nissan intervention was remarkable gesture, says ambassador
Japan’s Koji Tsuruoka tells Lords panel the firm will not necessarily stay in Sunderland if it is unable to make a profit

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Authors called David more likely to be on bestseller lists than BAME writers

First a new passport. Now a deed poll.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Theresa May's Nissan intervention was remarkable gesture, says ambassador
Japan’s Koji Tsuruoka tells Lords panel the firm will not necessarily stay in Sunderland if it is unable to make a profit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And who indeed could blame it.
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jesus people are naive. or are they just stupid.
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Donald Trump could still theoretically not be president because of ‘faithless electors’ and the electoral college
The electors could still change their mind before a meeting in December, and enough of them did then it would theoretically reverse the result of the election

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I recommend looking up @ShaunKing on Twitter. He's documenting reported incidents on Day 1 of Trump.

Just steel yourself first.
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Anti-Brexit traitors outed on twitter

Fifth column traitors have been working in Parliament to undermine our national will, and only a racist frog, a Ukip solicitor, and Louise Mensch can save us.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/788802086079201280" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:lol!:


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NonOxCol wrote:I recommend looking up @ShaunKing on Twitter. He's documenting reported incidents on Day 1 of Trump.

Just steel yourself first.
Scary stuff, similar things are happening here as well. It's all so sad.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Anti-Brexit traitors outed on twitter

Fifth column traitors have been working in Parliament to undermine our national will, and only a racist frog, a Ukip solicitor, and Louise Mensch can save us.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/788802086079201280" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:lol!:


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I did like it but someone added not to my mind and then I found I didn't.
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Finally (!) getting round to last weeks local council byelection roundup (as with many others recent events have been a tad distracting) Ten contests in all:

Lancashire CC - Labour hold with over two thirds of the vote, an increase of over 10 points since 2013. This division has not always been so safe for Labour - in 2005 they polled roughly half the vote but the LibDems polled strongly, and in 2009 they duly won; part of a disastrous election for Labour in Burnley as they lost all the county seats there - a precursor to their defeat in the parliamentary seat a year later. Even on that day, however, they managed to win this seat back in a previous by-election before making it safe three years ago. LibDems declined slightly further compared to then, but still moved from third to second as then runners up UKIP dropped by 6 per cent. Last place taken by the Greens on 4% - whilst the Tories have never been a significant player here (just 5% last time) for them to leave a CC division uncontested is a rare event and perhaps worth noting.

Gloucester DC - Tory hold with a 46% of the vote, a modest increase since May this year. Since this ward elected 3 Tories in the 2002 "all-outs" it has always been won by them with the sole exception of 2004 when the LibDems snatched it - and they came quite close this time, an increase of over 20 per cent taking them to within 10 points of the winner. As on some previous occasions when it has been close here (such as 2008 and 2012) this was partly achieved by squeezing a variable Labour vote - they came second (albeit very distantly) earlier this year but now dropped by 8 per cent. UKIP third last time, but now last with 7% (nearly halved)

Reigate and Banstead DC - Tory hold in a true blue stronghold, with close to three quarters of the vote - a swing of about 7% to them from UKIP since this May. This was actually an early testing ground for UKIP - they stood their first candidate here back in 2003 - and by 2014 they had reached the giddy heights of "only" being outpolled by the Tories by about 2 to 1, only to fall back significantly since. Labour a distant third with 8% (down a bit on earlier this year) and the Greens last (down on their previous outings here in 2014 and 2015) Though this council has significant LibDem activity, they last stood somebody here back in 2010.

Vale of Glamorgan - Labour hold in a ward that has safely returned two members in recent elections, though their share dropped from about 60% in 2012 to under half now (the somewhat unfortunate circumstances of this vacancy may not be unconnected, however) Last time round, the main opposition came from an Independent (who happened to be a former Labour councillor) but now their share dropped significantly and they were overtaken by Plaid Cymru - an increase of 13% regained the second place that they got here in 2008 and 2004. Tories not far behind in 4th (up 4%) UKIP 5th with 6% and lastly (and in this case, leastly) the LibDems with less than 1%, a grand total of seven votes in all.

Medway - a safe Tory hold (they have returned three members here without fail this millennium) with over 60% of the vote - an increase of over 10% on last year but a rather more modest increase in 2011, as in much of Kent that difference is explained by the rise of UKIP in the interim and they duly moved into a strongish second come GE day. Much of that advance was reversed now, however - though they still polled narrowly ahead of Labour who also experienced a small drop. LibDems came close here back in 2003 (the last time the Tories were in any danger) but had given up by GE day - they tried again now but could only manage 5%. Greens 6th (more than halved) English Democrats last with just 14 votes or 0.6%.

Eastleigh DC - LibDem hold scoring in the mid 40s with a modest swing to them from the Tories since May. This ward has always voted LibDem since three councillors were duly returned in 2002, but some elections have been closer than others on on their day of trauma (locally as well as nationally) last year the Tories were only a couple of points behind - but the LibDems made this safe again earlier this year and continued that process now (even though the Tory share also increased a little) UKIP won the Hants CC division covering this area in 2013 and polled a strong second here a year later, but here as elsewhere their recent decline has been marked and they dropped by a further 6% now to a fairly distant third. Labour last with 7%, down 4% on last time (though less so on the previous few years)

Cardiff - Plaid Cymru gain from Labour, a swing of about 5% since 2012 proving enough for a narrow win on a little over 40%. Prior to that election (when Labour had a clean sweep) the LibDems won all three seats in 2004 and 2008, though Labour were competitive both times - but last time their vote collapsed to a striking degree even by local standards, and Plaid as well as Labour benefited as the former moved into a strong second. In actual fact the Labour vote this time was down by a modest three points compared to four years ago, the Plaid advance was fuelled more by a continuing LibDem collapse as they dropped to less than 7%, behind even the Tories (who were up a bit on last time) and not far ahead of last placed UKIP, even though they fielded a distinctly non-local (English based!) candidate.

Hackney - Labour hold with close to 70% of the vote, a double figure increase since 2014. That was the first election here since boundary changes and three Labour councillors were duly returned, but this area had been safe for Labour for a while before that. Last time round the major opposition came from the Greens who polled roughly 20%, but they saw that more than halved now and they slipped from runners up spot to 4th and last. Tories (very) distantly second with a 1% increase, just ahead of the LibDems who used to be elected in these parts back in the 80s and 90s - but those times are long gone now and even their 3 point increase leaves the glory days here a distant dream for them.

Aberdeenshire - two vacancies here, and both were (even by recent Scottish standards) excellent results for the Tories who seem to have also benefited from the current unpopularity of the (SNP-led) coalition administration. The first was a Tory gain from SNP with an almost direct swing of 20% since 2012 in a division that split 2SNP/1Tory then (and 1SNP/1Ind/1LibDem in 2007) enabling the Tories to come top with 44% and win after preferences from the LibDems who regained some of their former strength with an increase of 8% since four years ago. The other contest was a Tory gain of what had been a LibDem seat in 2012 when this division split 2SNP/1LibDem/1Tory (it had been 2LibDem/1SNP/1Tory in 2007) though the councillor in question subsequently jumped ship to become an Independent. Again, the Tory increase of over 20 points was enough to put them top on first preferences though the swing was rather less direct on this occasion as the SNP fell only modestly and the LibDems actually went up by 5% themselves - the Tory increase was down to Independents and Greens not standing on this occasion plus a significant drop in support for Labour, whose 4% was less than a third of what they managed in 2012.

A quieter day today, with four contests. Hopefully I can report them tomorrow and get back on track :)
What is important is the overall swing looking at all the elections. At this stage of the cycle, Labour should be showing a big swing towards it since 2015.

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SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Finally (!) getting round to last weeks local council byelection roundup (as with many others recent events have been a tad distracting) Ten contests in all:

Lancashire CC - Labour hold with over two thirds of the vote, an increase of over 10 points since 2013. This division has not always been so safe for Labour - in 2005 they polled roughly half the vote but the LibDems polled strongly, and in 2009 they duly won; part of a disastrous election for Labour in Burnley as they lost all the county seats there - a precursor to their defeat in the parliamentary seat a year later. Even on that day, however, they managed to win this seat back in a previous by-election before making it safe three years ago. LibDems declined slightly further compared to then, but still moved from third to second as then runners up UKIP dropped by 6 per cent. Last place taken by the Greens on 4% - whilst the Tories have never been a significant player here (just 5% last time) for them to leave a CC division uncontested is a rare event and perhaps worth noting.

Gloucester DC - Tory hold with a 46% of the vote, a modest increase since May this year. Since this ward elected 3 Tories in the 2002 "all-outs" it has always been won by them with the sole exception of 2004 when the LibDems snatched it - and they came quite close this time, an increase of over 20 per cent taking them to within 10 points of the winner. As on some previous occasions when it has been close here (such as 2008 and 2012) this was partly achieved by squeezing a variable Labour vote - they came second (albeit very distantly) earlier this year but now dropped by 8 per cent. UKIP third last time, but now last with 7% (nearly halved)

Reigate and Banstead DC - Tory hold in a true blue stronghold, with close to three quarters of the vote - a swing of about 7% to them from UKIP since this May. This was actually an early testing ground for UKIP - they stood their first candidate here back in 2003 - and by 2014 they had reached the giddy heights of "only" being outpolled by the Tories by about 2 to 1, only to fall back significantly since. Labour a distant third with 8% (down a bit on earlier this year) and the Greens last (down on their previous outings here in 2014 and 2015) Though this council has significant LibDem activity, they last stood somebody here back in 2010.

Vale of Glamorgan - Labour hold in a ward that has safely returned two members in recent elections, though their share dropped from about 60% in 2012 to under half now (the somewhat unfortunate circumstances of this vacancy may not be unconnected, however) Last time round, the main opposition came from an Independent (who happened to be a former Labour councillor) but now their share dropped significantly and they were overtaken by Plaid Cymru - an increase of 13% regained the second place that they got here in 2008 and 2004. Tories not far behind in 4th (up 4%) UKIP 5th with 6% and lastly (and in this case, leastly) the LibDems with less than 1%, a grand total of seven votes in all.

Medway - a safe Tory hold (they have returned three members here without fail this millennium) with over 60% of the vote - an increase of over 10% on last year but a rather more modest increase in 2011, as in much of Kent that difference is explained by the rise of UKIP in the interim and they duly moved into a strongish second come GE day. Much of that advance was reversed now, however - though they still polled narrowly ahead of Labour who also experienced a small drop. LibDems came close here back in 2003 (the last time the Tories were in any danger) but had given up by GE day - they tried again now but could only manage 5%. Greens 6th (more than halved) English Democrats last with just 14 votes or 0.6%.

Eastleigh DC - LibDem hold scoring in the mid 40s with a modest swing to them from the Tories since May. This ward has always voted LibDem since three councillors were duly returned in 2002, but some elections have been closer than others on on their day of trauma (locally as well as nationally) last year the Tories were only a couple of points behind - but the LibDems made this safe again earlier this year and continued that process now (even though the Tory share also increased a little) UKIP won the Hants CC division covering this area in 2013 and polled a strong second here a year later, but here as elsewhere their recent decline has been marked and they dropped by a further 6% now to a fairly distant third. Labour last with 7%, down 4% on last time (though less so on the previous few years)

Cardiff - Plaid Cymru gain from Labour, a swing of about 5% since 2012 proving enough for a narrow win on a little over 40%. Prior to that election (when Labour had a clean sweep) the LibDems won all three seats in 2004 and 2008, though Labour were competitive both times - but last time their vote collapsed to a striking degree even by local standards, and Plaid as well as Labour benefited as the former moved into a strong second. In actual fact the Labour vote this time was down by a modest three points compared to four years ago, the Plaid advance was fuelled more by a continuing LibDem collapse as they dropped to less than 7%, behind even the Tories (who were up a bit on last time) and not far ahead of last placed UKIP, even though they fielded a distinctly non-local (English based!) candidate.

Hackney - Labour hold with close to 70% of the vote, a double figure increase since 2014. That was the first election here since boundary changes and three Labour councillors were duly returned, but this area had been safe for Labour for a while before that. Last time round the major opposition came from the Greens who polled roughly 20%, but they saw that more than halved now and they slipped from runners up spot to 4th and last. Tories (very) distantly second with a 1% increase, just ahead of the LibDems who used to be elected in these parts back in the 80s and 90s - but those times are long gone now and even their 3 point increase leaves the glory days here a distant dream for them.

Aberdeenshire - two vacancies here, and both were (even by recent Scottish standards) excellent results for the Tories who seem to have also benefited from the current unpopularity of the (SNP-led) coalition administration. The first was a Tory gain from SNP with an almost direct swing of 20% since 2012 in a division that split 2SNP/1Tory then (and 1SNP/1Ind/1LibDem in 2007) enabling the Tories to come top with 44% and win after preferences from the LibDems who regained some of their former strength with an increase of 8% since four years ago. The other contest was a Tory gain of what had been a LibDem seat in 2012 when this division split 2SNP/1LibDem/1Tory (it had been 2LibDem/1SNP/1Tory in 2007) though the councillor in question subsequently jumped ship to become an Independent. Again, the Tory increase of over 20 points was enough to put them top on first preferences though the swing was rather less direct on this occasion as the SNP fell only modestly and the LibDems actually went up by 5% themselves - the Tory increase was down to Independents and Greens not standing on this occasion plus a significant drop in support for Labour, whose 4% was less than a third of what they managed in 2012.

A quieter day today, with four contests. Hopefully I can report them tomorrow and get back on track :)
What is important is the overall swing looking at all the elections. At this stage of the cycle, Labour should be showing a big swing towards it since 2015.

Unfortunately...
....the Party has been disastrously and obviously divided and divided parties nearly always fare badly at elections.
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Finally (!) getting round to last weeks local council byelection roundup (as with many others recent events have been a tad distracting) Ten contests in all:

Lancashire CC - Labour hold with over two thirds of the vote, an increase of over 10 points since 2013. This division has not always been so safe for Labour - in 2005 they polled roughly half the vote but the LibDems polled strongly, and in 2009 they duly won; part of a disastrous election for Labour in Burnley as they lost all the county seats there - a precursor to their defeat in the parliamentary seat a year later. Even on that day, however, they managed to win this seat back in a previous by-election before making it safe three years ago. LibDems declined slightly further compared to then, but still moved from third to second as then runners up UKIP dropped by 6 per cent. Last place taken by the Greens on 4% - whilst the Tories have never been a significant player here (just 5% last time) for them to leave a CC division uncontested is a rare event and perhaps worth noting.

Gloucester DC - Tory hold with a 46% of the vote, a modest increase since May this year. Since this ward elected 3 Tories in the 2002 "all-outs" it has always been won by them with the sole exception of 2004 when the LibDems snatched it - and they came quite close this time, an increase of over 20 per cent taking them to within 10 points of the winner. As on some previous occasions when it has been close here (such as 2008 and 2012) this was partly achieved by squeezing a variable Labour vote - they came second (albeit very distantly) earlier this year but now dropped by 8 per cent. UKIP third last time, but now last with 7% (nearly halved)

Reigate and Banstead DC - Tory hold in a true blue stronghold, with close to three quarters of the vote - a swing of about 7% to them from UKIP since this May. This was actually an early testing ground for UKIP - they stood their first candidate here back in 2003 - and by 2014 they had reached the giddy heights of "only" being outpolled by the Tories by about 2 to 1, only to fall back significantly since. Labour a distant third with 8% (down a bit on earlier this year) and the Greens last (down on their previous outings here in 2014 and 2015) Though this council has significant LibDem activity, they last stood somebody here back in 2010.

Vale of Glamorgan - Labour hold in a ward that has safely returned two members in recent elections, though their share dropped from about 60% in 2012 to under half now (the somewhat unfortunate circumstances of this vacancy may not be unconnected, however) Last time round, the main opposition came from an Independent (who happened to be a former Labour councillor) but now their share dropped significantly and they were overtaken by Plaid Cymru - an increase of 13% regained the second place that they got here in 2008 and 2004. Tories not far behind in 4th (up 4%) UKIP 5th with 6% and lastly (and in this case, leastly) the LibDems with less than 1%, a grand total of seven votes in all.

Medway - a safe Tory hold (they have returned three members here without fail this millennium) with over 60% of the vote - an increase of over 10% on last year but a rather more modest increase in 2011, as in much of Kent that difference is explained by the rise of UKIP in the interim and they duly moved into a strongish second come GE day. Much of that advance was reversed now, however - though they still polled narrowly ahead of Labour who also experienced a small drop. LibDems came close here back in 2003 (the last time the Tories were in any danger) but had given up by GE day - they tried again now but could only manage 5%. Greens 6th (more than halved) English Democrats last with just 14 votes or 0.6%.

Eastleigh DC - LibDem hold scoring in the mid 40s with a modest swing to them from the Tories since May. This ward has always voted LibDem since three councillors were duly returned in 2002, but some elections have been closer than others on on their day of trauma (locally as well as nationally) last year the Tories were only a couple of points behind - but the LibDems made this safe again earlier this year and continued that process now (even though the Tory share also increased a little) UKIP won the Hants CC division covering this area in 2013 and polled a strong second here a year later, but here as elsewhere their recent decline has been marked and they dropped by a further 6% now to a fairly distant third. Labour last with 7%, down 4% on last time (though less so on the previous few years)

Cardiff - Plaid Cymru gain from Labour, a swing of about 5% since 2012 proving enough for a narrow win on a little over 40%. Prior to that election (when Labour had a clean sweep) the LibDems won all three seats in 2004 and 2008, though Labour were competitive both times - but last time their vote collapsed to a striking degree even by local standards, and Plaid as well as Labour benefited as the former moved into a strong second. In actual fact the Labour vote this time was down by a modest three points compared to four years ago, the Plaid advance was fuelled more by a continuing LibDem collapse as they dropped to less than 7%, behind even the Tories (who were up a bit on last time) and not far ahead of last placed UKIP, even though they fielded a distinctly non-local (English based!) candidate.

Hackney - Labour hold with close to 70% of the vote, a double figure increase since 2014. That was the first election here since boundary changes and three Labour councillors were duly returned, but this area had been safe for Labour for a while before that. Last time round the major opposition came from the Greens who polled roughly 20%, but they saw that more than halved now and they slipped from runners up spot to 4th and last. Tories (very) distantly second with a 1% increase, just ahead of the LibDems who used to be elected in these parts back in the 80s and 90s - but those times are long gone now and even their 3 point increase leaves the glory days here a distant dream for them.

Aberdeenshire - two vacancies here, and both were (even by recent Scottish standards) excellent results for the Tories who seem to have also benefited from the current unpopularity of the (SNP-led) coalition administration. The first was a Tory gain from SNP with an almost direct swing of 20% since 2012 in a division that split 2SNP/1Tory then (and 1SNP/1Ind/1LibDem in 2007) enabling the Tories to come top with 44% and win after preferences from the LibDems who regained some of their former strength with an increase of 8% since four years ago. The other contest was a Tory gain of what had been a LibDem seat in 2012 when this division split 2SNP/1LibDem/1Tory (it had been 2LibDem/1SNP/1Tory in 2007) though the councillor in question subsequently jumped ship to become an Independent. Again, the Tory increase of over 20 points was enough to put them top on first preferences though the swing was rather less direct on this occasion as the SNP fell only modestly and the LibDems actually went up by 5% themselves - the Tory increase was down to Independents and Greens not standing on this occasion plus a significant drop in support for Labour, whose 4% was less than a third of what they managed in 2012.

A quieter day today, with four contests. Hopefully I can report them tomorrow and get back on track :)
What is important is the overall swing looking at all the elections. At this stage of the cycle, Labour should be showing a big swing towards it since 2015.

Unfortunately...
....the Party has been disastrously and obviously divided and divided parties nearly always fare badly at elections.
Wholly predictably.

What did anyone who knew the PLP expect when you elect someone with Corbyn's background.

MPs, of course, knowing him and McDonnell much better than the rather naive members.

And it should be added that whatever happened, Corbyn supporters were always going to be predictably inventive in their excuses for failure.

The only reason Labour is doing as 'well' as it is in England is the absence of any viable alternative. if there were, support would collapse as in Scotland.
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With and without foundation – Bedroom tax in Supreme Court
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The architect of the most racist law in modern American history has been named to Trump's team
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Interesting result from a London seat.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 4m4 minutes ago
Eltham North (Greenwich) result:
CON: 42.2% (+10.6)
LAB: 40.4% (+9.3)
LDEM: 8.8% (+5.5)
UKIP: 5.1% (-14.5)
GRN: 3.5% (-6.0)
Look at the UKIP vote.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting result from a London seat.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 4m4 minutes ago
Eltham North (Greenwich) result:
CON: 42.2% (+10.6)
LAB: 40.4% (+9.3)
LDEM: 8.8% (+5.5)
UKIP: 5.1% (-14.5)
GRN: 3.5% (-6.0)
Look at the UKIP vote.
Overall, people going home from their protest votes perhaps?
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Canadian singer Leonard Cohen dies aged 82
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Like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free.
Like a worm on a hook,
like a knight from some old fashioned book
I have saved all my ribbons for thee.
If I, if I have been unkind,
I hope that you can just let it go by.
If I, if I have been untrue
I hope you know it was never to you.
Like a baby, stillborn,
like a beast with his horn
I have torn everyone who reached out for me.
But I swear by this song
and by all that I have done wrong
I will make it all up to thee.
I saw a beggar leaning on his wooden crutch,
he said to me, "You must not ask for so much."
And a pretty woman leaning in her darkened door,
she cried to me, "Hey, why not ask for more?"

Oh like a bird on the wire,
like a drunk in a midnight choir
I have tried in my way to be free.
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LEONARD COHEN MAKES IT DARKER

Final interview

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Donald Trump could be impeached within weeks, legal professor claims
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One of the best voices in the world. And poet extraordinaire.
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