Sat 12 and Sun 13 November 2016

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:14 pm

It was missing something.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:17 pm

chilling

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:17 pm

not in a chillaxing way

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:20 pm

Apparently Le Pen is on Andrew Marr tomorrow. On Remembrance Sunday.

Did no-one at the BBC think "Wait. That's maybe not such a great idea..."?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:28 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:It was missing something.

I didn't like to bring that scenario up. It makes you (me\one) feel a bit hysterical. But I'm worried that if we let up on the "whinge-o-rama" (which description is itself an attempt to belittle the people who are awake to the dangers) things will simply escalate. We've been too slow to react to such threats before. Both here, recently, and in Europe further back in the past. It all starts somewhere, after all. And it usually follows our ridiculing (and I'm as guilty of that as the next person) the root of the danger.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:29 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently Le Pen is on Andrew Marr tomorrow. On Remembrance Sunday.

Did no-one at the BBC think "Wait. That's maybe not such a great idea..."?

It's alright. She'll be wearing a poppy.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:30 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 13506.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
sorry but many people are idiots.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:32 pm

(have amended signature accordingly)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:33 pm

PorFavor wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:It was missing something.
I didn't like to bring that scenario up. It makes you (me\one) feel a bit hysterical. But I'm worried that if we let up on the "whinge-o-rama" (which description is itself an attempt to belittle the people who are awake to the dangers) things will simply escalate. We've been too slow to react to such threats before. Both here, recently, and in Europe further back in the past. It all starts somewhere, after all. And it usually follows our ridiculing (and I'm as guilty of that as the next person) the root of the danger.

totally agree

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:It was missing something.
I didn't like to bring that scenario up. It makes you (me\one) feel a bit hysterical. But I'm worried that if we let up on the "whinge-o-rama" (which description is itself an attempt to belittle the people who are awake to the dangers) things will simply escalate. We've been too slow to react to such threats before. Both here, recently, and in Europe further back in the past. It all starts somewhere, after all. And it usually follows our ridiculing (and I'm as guilty of that as the next person) the root of the danger.
totally agree

I'd go back to seethin', if I were you. You know you want to . . .

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:42 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Apparently Le Pen is on Andrew Marr tomorrow. On Remembrance Sunday.

Did no-one at the BBC think "Wait. That's maybe not such a great idea..."?

I posted that earlier, I've put a complaint in about it. (Not that it will do any good but....)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 8:46 pm

Prime Minister Theresa May set to go to war with the Queen as she axes 7 of Her Majesty's royal charters

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pr ... go-9249312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:01 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Prime Minister Theresa May set to go to war with the Queen as she axes 7 of Her Majesty's royal charters

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pr ... go-9249312" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“All individual research councils will retain their autonomy, with individual funding streams and will continue to have authority on decisions within their discipline.”

So if the intention is to keep things the same, why change it in the first place? These kind of statements are so insulting.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:05 pm

Two days after Donald Trump was elected president, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, an ardent Trump supporter, admitted the president-elect's promise to get Mexico to fund his proposed border wall may have just been "a campaign device." "He may not spend much time trying to get Mexico to pay for it," Gingrich said of a hypothetical border structure. "But it was a great campaign device."

Yep - a bit like Turkey joining EU and £350k for the NHS....

http://theweek.com/speedreads/661335/ne ... ign-device" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:10 pm

Goodnight.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:19 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight.

Goodnight, PorFavor

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:24 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... hye-resign" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tens of thousands march demanding South Korean president Park Geun-Hye resign

South Korea also showing Brits a thing or two

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:25 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Britian First, BNP And EDL Among Far-Right Groups To March With Nigel Farage On Supreme Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... e24ab0ec18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
none of them racist. obviously

Today's Times Crossword

Bigoted traitor repressing one hundred lives (6)

RA( C IS)T

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:26 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 13556.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jeremy Corbyn accuses Theresa May of pursuing the same divisive immigration tactics as Donald Trump

In a speech, Mr Corbyn said both Mr Trump in the US and Ms May in the UK had blamed foreign scapegoats for their own country’s problems without offering real solutions.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:28 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 12361.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Environmentalists launch 'emergency' campaign to persuade Trump climate change is real amid fears of 'planetary disaster'

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 9:51 pm

Ed MilibandVerified account
‏@Ed_Miliband Ed Miliband Retweeted Boris Johnson
And then I'll refuse to attend an EU foreign ministers meeting in order to build on my success....#NewBritishdiplomacy

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:07 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... hye-resign
Tens of thousands march demanding South Korean president Park Geun-Hye resign

South Korea also showing Brits a thing or two

Those who aren't aware of it already should look up recent S Korean political developments. Proper barmy

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:17 pm

Fordington Field
‏@FordingtonField
#marr Just asked Liz Truss what she thinks about the decision to invite her on Remembrance Sunday of all days -

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Post by **adam** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:18 pm

A letter to America from Leslie Knope, regarding Donald Trump

Post by **adam** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 10:53 pm

Putting in the link rather than using the YouTube tag because this is in four parts on YT and it's easier to go there to make it work than to embed it here, but just in case anybody has an hour or so to kill, can I just thoroughly recommend...

Tony Harrison - V

Content warning - very sweary. One of the things that earned Michael Grade and Channel 4 in its early years their Daily Heil label of 'The Nations Pornographers In Chief.

But V is completely wonderful, and Harrison's reading of his own poem even more so.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 12 Nov, 2016 11:02 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:10 am

Sacked ministers warn Theresa May: Promote us in a year or there will be 'trouble' - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AqvNGzKRpSCyy4Qw7bwgACQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Miliband set to return to the UK sparking rumours of Corbyn challenge - Mirror Online
https://apple.news/AgSiVMscDQjKQHlqYXeQj2g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sigh.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:18 am

Red Triangle Remembrance Day

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:20 am

I see your sigh and raise you a bollox.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:23 am

Not literally.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:25 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... l-and-ukip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Marine Le Pen: 'Not a hair's breadth' separates Front National and Ukip
French far-right leader tells The Andrew Marr Show that the two parties share the same anti-EU and immigration stance

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:30 am

Thanks for link Adam ,remember it at the time.I took far more from it from seeing again.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 12:58 am

We can have a pop at Fatima Manji without fear of reprisal, and while we're at it we'll get some clicks from baby snuff movies:

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 1:00 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-a ... ws_central" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Colombia peace deal: Government and Farc reach new agreement

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 4:14 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 13756.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Poll: Majority of British public believe Donald Trump makes the world a more dangerous place

at the same time as:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 13271.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Police tell Brexit legal challenger Gina Miller it is unsafe for her to go outside amid abuse

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 7:39 am

PorFavor wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Wow.

Marion Le Pen Verified account
‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen

I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of @realDonaldTrump presidential campaign, to work together.

How aware is the US electorate of what the Le Pens represent? Well aware, or soon will become so, I hope.

Morning all.

Marion Le Pen isn't the leader of far right French politician. Marine Le Pen is.

Trump may well invite Marine Le Pen into his inner circle. He may already have done so.

But Marion Le Pen is a relative of hers, not her, although she is also a right wing member of the French Parliament.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourcei ... 5.2587j0j7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 7:57 am

That wasn't posted grumpily, before anyone bothers to crawl out from under their bridge to accuse me of malice.

Haven't had a cup of coffee and breakfast yet so barely functioning.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 7:59 am

Hope this is true.

Dominic Chappell allegedly arrested over £500,000 unpaid tax.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-13/form ... -tax-raid/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:26 am

The media didn’t see Trump coming. And even now, it doesn’t know why - the guardian
https://apple.news/ApvQfHjtjSt6NrAx0aOLRiw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Still, I wish that my old friend and former White House correspondent Pat Sloyan hadn’t just sent me the oldest, most chilling thesis of the lot – from America’s greatest journalist, HL Mencken, in 1920. “As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:26 am

Do I need an excuse? Nah...

Womble44 · Post by **Womble44** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:36 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Britian First, BNP And EDL Among Far-Right Groups To March With Nigel Farage On Supreme Court

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/s ... e24ab0ec18" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
none of them racist. obviously
Indeed, calling such people racist is the real racism these days

Racists can be rehabilitated, it's just a lot of work. I reckon a good chunk of the EDL's membership would pass a lie detector test by saying they weren't racist. Not saying they aren't, but that they don't perceive themselves as such. Those are the ones that can be talked out of it.

daydreamer · Post by **daydreamer** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 9:53 am

Hi all,

Long time no post. It's all so depressing. If you're not depressed enough read this. It's from the summer before Trump's election and gives a broader historical perspective. But, be warned it's quite fatalistic. It show's how with each step society takes you don't realise where you're heading. Sorry if it's been posted before.

https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/history ... 4#.l7zn816

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:07 am

Yes it's very worrying. I like stop funding hate because it's doing something. Am looking for something positive in which to engage so am open to suggestions. It does feel like it's time to get a grip.

daydreamer · Post by **daydreamer** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:14 am

@tinyclanger2

Yeah, sorry to post something with so little hope, but I agree it definitely feels like it's time to get a grip and do something. Not sure what. But, stop funding hate and the safety pin initiative give me a flicker of hope.

But anyway

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:25 am

Milliband against a second referendum, and against freedom of movement.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:42 am

Good morfternoon.

Harking back to last night - just to make it clear that I'm well aware that Marion Le Pen is not Marine Le Pen (hence my use of the words "the Le Pens"). And - did anyone see the interview (I didn't)?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:43 am

Temulkar wrote:Milliband against a second referendum, and against freedom of movement.

He has a good case on the second referendum, at least.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:45 am

Dominic Chappell allegedly arrested over £500,000 unpaid tax

The former bankrupt who bought BHS from Sir Philip Green for a pound has reportedly been arrested over unpaid tax.

Dominic Chappell, 49, is alleged to have been arrested by HM Revenue & Customs for failing to pay more than £500,000 in tax on money from the department store chain, according to the Sunday Times. (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... unpaid-tax

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:50 am

Trump’s election reinforces the need for Britain to turn against Brexit
William Keegan

The consequences of US isolationism, or an alliance with Putin, are so ominous that leaving the EU is the last thing the UK needs (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nst-brexit

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 13 Nov, 2016 10:56 am

Some people across the back from us are letting off fireworks... in daylight on Remembrance Sunday.
????? Lost plot