]Morning all.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning All!
Is there any news item that doesn't now get interpreted through Brexit? Thereby allowing the writer to put their own slant on everything.
Following Brexit, news agent across the road closes down.
Despite Brexit, news agent across the road closes down.
Ho hum. Our news agent hasn't closed yet btw
Two troubled academy schools in South Gloucestershire are set to be taken over, after the trust which runs them racked up debts of more than £1m.
They took over both of them back in September 2009 and they have no other schools. Could be a sign of smaller MATs feeling the squeeze...this will happen a lot over the next few years IMO. All of those converter acads will have to bite the bullet and combine. What an utter waste of money.Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-37979111
Two troubled academy schools in South Gloucestershire are set to be taken over, after the trust which runs them racked up debts of more than £1m.
And the problem...To test the effects of political polarization on Facebook we asked ten US voters – five conservative and five liberal – to agree to take a scroll on the other side during the final month of the campaign.
It's hate speech to point out that racist, misogynist Trump is racist and misogynist? Different countries, different worlds...“I’m seeing a lot more hate from the liberal side,” said Constantin. “It’s all about how much of a horrible, fascist, racist, misogynist Trump is. ... “Honestly, I hated it,” said Janalee Tobias, a longtime conservative activist and member of Mormons for Trump from South Jordan, Utah. “I’m seeing a psychiatrist trying to get over the shock and the hate from the left,” she joked. “I thought this would be easier for me to handle, because I’m considered pretty open minded.”
adam wrote:This is quite interesting, particularly in one very depressing way...
Bursting the Facebook bubble: we asked voters on the left and right to swap feeds
And the problem...To test the effects of political polarization on Facebook we asked ten US voters – five conservative and five liberal – to agree to take a scroll on the other side during the final month of the campaign.
It's hate speech to point out that racist, misogynist Trump is racist and misogynist? Different countries, different worlds...“I’m seeing a lot more hate from the liberal side,” said Constantin. “It’s all about how much of a horrible, fascist, racist, misogynist Trump is. ... “Honestly, I hated it,” said Janalee Tobias, a longtime conservative activist and member of Mormons for Trump from South Jordan, Utah. “I’m seeing a psychiatrist trying to get over the shock and the hate from the left,” she joked. “I thought this would be easier for me to handle, because I’m considered pretty open minded.”
Oh dear...Justine Greening MP: We urge you to stop the EFA from attacking Durand Academy
We call upon the Secretary of State for Education to stop Peter Lauener of the Education Funding Agency (EFA) and Lord Nash from attacking Durand Academy. We believe their actions are damaging the education of the children of Durand.
It is *really* important to seek out other views. I follow Brexiters and Corbynites on twitter to try and do so (though even then I end up unfollowing the more extreme. I am not going to have racism or anti-semitism to read).adam wrote:This is quite interesting, particularly in one very depressing way...
Bursting the Facebook bubble: we asked voters on the left and right to swap feeds
And the problem...To test the effects of political polarization on Facebook we asked ten US voters – five conservative and five liberal – to agree to take a scroll on the other side during the final month of the campaign.
It's hate speech to point out that racist, misogynist Trump is racist and misogynist? Different countries, different worlds...“I’m seeing a lot more hate from the liberal side,” said Constantin. “It’s all about how much of a horrible, fascist, racist, misogynist Trump is. ... “Honestly, I hated it,” said Janalee Tobias, a longtime conservative activist and member of Mormons for Trump from South Jordan, Utah. “I’m seeing a psychiatrist trying to get over the shock and the hate from the left,” she joked. “I thought this would be easier for me to handle, because I’m considered pretty open minded.”
It's not so different though, I remember the Leavers being shocked and 'upset' at the horrible things the Remainers were saying about them on Facebook the day after the EUref.adam wrote:This is quite interesting, particularly in one very depressing way...
Bursting the Facebook bubble: we asked voters on the left and right to swap feeds
And the problem...To test the effects of political polarization on Facebook we asked ten US voters – five conservative and five liberal – to agree to take a scroll on the other side during the final month of the campaign.
It's hate speech to point out that racist, misogynist Trump is racist and misogynist? Different countries, different worlds...“I’m seeing a lot more hate from the liberal side,” said Constantin. “It’s all about how much of a horrible, fascist, racist, misogynist Trump is. ... “Honestly, I hated it,” said Janalee Tobias, a longtime conservative activist and member of Mormons for Trump from South Jordan, Utah. “I’m seeing a psychiatrist trying to get over the shock and the hate from the left,” she joked. “I thought this would be easier for me to handle, because I’m considered pretty open minded.”
Yes, absolutely. I read the Telegraph regularly to see what they are saying - often just to see what stories they are highlighting and how they are headlining them is instructive enough.SpinningHugo wrote: It is *really* important to seek out other views.
I follow Brexiters and Corbynites on twitter to try and do so (though even then I end up unfollowing the more extreme. I am not going to have racism or anti-semitism to read).
My point is that there is a qualitative difference between, on the one hand, people being offended by Trump's misogyny and, on the other hand, people being offended at the offence people take at Trump's misogyny. The point comes where there is no worthwhile communication possible between different viewpoints. But I'm not being some kind of moral relativist here - they are not all just opinions, there are core values, and the core values of the extremism that Trump clearly embodies are about spite and hate. You might angrily react to that spite and hate but your anger is not the same.SpinningHugo wrote: /...
Put another way, I know it is nonsense to say that left and right are just the same, but those reading the Canary and Brietbart and thinking they reflect reality back at them are the problem.
Conservative home is one of my regular reads. RL is the only way I find to have detailed sensible discussions about contrasting political opinions.SpinningHugo wrote:It is *really* important to seek out other views. I follow Brexiters and Corbynites on twitter to try and do so (though even then I end up unfollowing the more extreme. I am not going to have racism of anti-semitism to read).adam wrote:This is quite interesting, particularly in one very depressing way...
Bursting the Facebook bubble: we asked voters on the left and right to swap feeds
And the problem...To test the effects of political polarization on Facebook we asked ten US voters – five conservative and five liberal – to agree to take a scroll on the other side during the final month of the campaign.
It's hate speech to point out that racist, misogynist Trump is racist and misogynist? Different countries, different worlds...“I’m seeing a lot more hate from the liberal side,” said Constantin. “It’s all about how much of a horrible, fascist, racist, misogynist Trump is. ... “Honestly, I hated it,” said Janalee Tobias, a longtime conservative activist and member of Mormons for Trump from South Jordan, Utah. “I’m seeing a psychiatrist trying to get over the shock and the hate from the left,” she joked. “I thought this would be easier for me to handle, because I’m considered pretty open minded.”
The Guardian used to be bad: it pushed one viewpoint with occasional dissents (from hopeless people like Simon Jenkins). But social media and messageboards have made the problem ten times worse, and it is accelerating as people stop using old MSM outlets for news. people look only at their facebook or applenews feeds because they just tell them what they feel comfortable reading..
That's him off the Christmas card list then...Ministers’ plans to expand the number of grammar schools could make the country’s deep social mobility problem “worse, not better”, the man charged with tackling the issue has warned.
Labour MP Alan Milburn, who is chair of the government's Social Mobility Commission has called for ministers to “rethink” its proposals for more selective schools and academies, if it is to tackle the issue.
In its annual 'state of the nation' report today, the commission states: “There is no evidence that reforming school structures, either by continuing the roll out of the academies programme or by introducing new grammar schools, by itself will provide an answer to England’s entrenched social mobility problem.
"Worse still, more selection in state schools could make the situation worse, not better.”
The findings are likely to go down badly with prime minister Theresa May who made the expansion of grammar schools her first major policy announcement after entering Downing Street.
McDonnell's position is also somewhat at odds with the rest of Labour's most recent statements regarding government's Article 50tinybgoat wrote:Morning,
Does anyone know what John McDonnell means by "moral pressure"?
Having discounted it being Rhyming Slang,
I thought it might be from political/social theory,
have got as far as:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... of-options which sounded possible, but scary.
Edited:- Sorry, following drinking of coffee, have removed two links which don't seem relevant.
But still intrigued what McDonnell meant, it just seems too silly to be taken at face value, unless he has reason to believe that there will be massive popular support for his stance, which again seems unlikely.
I think there was something in the article about surplus places in the area, so it could be a natural consequence of an unfit system, although my husband wondered if the Claire Emery who is a trustee of The Ridings Federation is the same Claire Emery of 'Emery Support Services' that is quoted as advising another local failing school, St Crispins in Street in this testimonial he found:RogerOThornhill wrote:They took over both of them back in September 2009 and they have no other schools. Could be a sign of smaller MATs feeling the squeeze...this will happen a lot over the next few years IMO. All of those converter acads will have to bite the bullet and combine. What an utter waste of money.Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-37979111
Two troubled academy schools in South Gloucestershire are set to be taken over, after the trust which runs them racked up debts of more than £1m.
Legal firms must be loving this though...
That is part of the issue with a multitude of different organisations in the same area which don't have the benefit of an upper tier trying to manage the situation for the good of all in the area.Willow904 wrote: I think there was something in the article about surplus places in the area, so it could be a natural consequence of an unfit system
McDonnell's position yesterday seems to have upset many (including several normally supportive of him) and satisfied precious few.citizenJA wrote:McDonnell's position is also somewhat at odds with the rest of Labour's most recent statements regarding government's Article 50tinybgoat wrote:Morning,
Does anyone know what John McDonnell means by "moral pressure"?
Having discounted it being Rhyming Slang,
I thought it might be from political/social theory,
have got as far as:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... of-options which sounded possible, but scary.
Edited:- Sorry, following drinking of coffee, have removed two links which don't seem relevant.
But still intrigued what McDonnell meant, it just seems too silly to be taken at face value, unless he has reason to believe that there will be massive popular support for his stance, which again seems unlikely.
and Brexit. Corbyn said Tory government will have to meet Labour's demands prior receiving yes vote on Article 50, for example.
I appreciate you letting me know my robust debate wasn't a factor in your not wanting to post here anymore. I always think it a shame when contributors leave, but also feel very strongly that life is way too short to waste any of it on anything that is making you unhappy. Your contributions added to the variety of opinion and as such were always welcome.Womble44 wrote:Hi all, this going to be my last post here. I'm afraid I don't find it pleasant to have discussions in a board where a handful of individuals are allowed to troll the board with snide and sarcastic comments aimed at views they know others here hold.
The only reason for making comments in that way is to annoy others, and I'm aware during the time I was lurking that others have left for the same reason. I'd rather spend my time talking to people that at least respect views, even if they disagree with them.
Just to be clear, even though we disagreed constantly, Willow904 that is not directed at you.
Best wishes to you all.
Still not great for Labour but the longer the Brexit farce goes on, the worse the Tory position will be. It's dawning on voters (IMO) that they really have no clue as to how to proceed with this.Britain Elects @britainelects 8m8 minutes ago
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-5)
LAB: 33% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
UKIP: 7% (+1)
(via Ipsos Mori)
Britain Elects @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
The government's handling of Britain's exit from the EU has been a...
Good job: 37%
Bad job: 48%
(via Ipsos Mori / 11 - 14 Nov)
Ignore the Cobyn ratings for a minute, you get the feeling that May is like Cameron in that although government handling of something is dire, she herself is somehow not to blame.Britain Elects @britainelects 2m2 minutes ago
Satisfaction ratings:
T. May:
Satisfied: 54%
Dissatisfied: 30%
J. Corbyn:
Satisfied: 28%
Dissatisfied: 57%
(via Ipsos Mori)
RogerOThornhill wrote:Interesting to read this...
Brexit Britain needs to know: is Emperor May naked?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... withdrawal
...in the light of this...
Still not great for Labour but the longer the Brexit farce goes on, the worse the Tory position will be. It's dawning on voters (IMO) that they really have no clue as to how to proceed with this.Britain Elects @britainelects 8m8 minutes ago
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-5)
LAB: 33% (+4)
LDEM: 10% (+3)
UKIP: 7% (+1)
(via Ipsos Mori)
USA is also not a signatory.HindleA wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 20676.html
Russia pulls out of International Criminal Court on Vladimir Putin's instructions because it 'is not independent'
I don't know why anybody pays any attention to polls any more, other than to allow pollsters to cherry pick the one reasonably accurate outcome from many false ones after the event.AnatolyKasparov wrote:The question is whether this poll is the start of a trend of the Tory lead narrowing. If so, then it surely changes calculations.
Of course, nobody sensible disputes that Labour "should" be doing better - much better. But as you know, my blame for that not being the case is quite widely spread
Last May? They've only had one so farAnatolyKasparov wrote:The interesting thing there is that the Tories aren't much better off than they were last May.
If polls confirm that in the coming weeks and months, it further reduces the chances of an early GE (which aren't as great as many excitable pundits imagine, anyway)
I agree. At least there's a semblance of unity at the moment.AnatolyKasparov wrote:The question is whether this poll is the start of a trend of the Tory lead narrowing. If so, then it surely changes calculations.
Of course, nobody sensible disputes that Labour "should" be doing better - much better. But as you know, my blame for that not being the case is quite widely spread
Until 2020. While we're still likely to be within the EU because article 50 isn't going to get triggered this year or next year, and the funding has already been guaranteed anyway. Post 2020, this government will wield its hatchets and chop our Research base to pieces.The SNP’s Stephen Gethins asks what guarantees will be given to universities over research funding and on free movement.
May says research funding has only [sic; presumably "already"] been guaranteed. And the government wants the brightest and the best to be able to continue to come to the UK.
Fixed.AngryAsWell wrote:May seems to be floundering aroundat PMQ's today.
Too true, but she was floundering around even more than usual at PMQs today and it seemed to be catching, with Corbyn asking two completely unconnected questions in a single sentence. There's a real sense of disintegration emanating from our political classes at the moment. Everything from local government, the NHS, adult social care, our education system, universities, transport infrastructure, energy strategy, industrial strategy, foreign policy - it's all just falling apart before our eyes and it seems to be infecting those charged with putting it all right. Our politicians seem to be falling apart too. I think it's all the denial. The opposition struggle to attack what the government denies and the media fail to expose.JonnyT1234 wrote:Fixed.AngryAsWell wrote:May seems to be floundering aroundat PMQ's today.
Negotiations over Britain's departure from the European Union are very complex and are going to take longer than the scheduled two years, Eurogroup President Jeroen Dijsselbloem said on Wednesday
Things going just as well as you'd think, then.Carlo Calenda, a former Italian envoy to Brussels, said that the Foreign Secretary had told him that Italy would sell less prosecco if the European Union did not allow Britain to remain in the single market.
"He basically said, 'I don’t want free movement of people but I want the single market'," Mr Calenda told Bloomberg Television.
"I said, 'no way.' He said, 'you’ll sell less prosecco'. I said, 'OK, you'll sell less fish and chips, but I'll sell less prosecco to one country and you'll sell less to 27 countries''
"Putting things on this level is a bit insulting."
<snip>
He accused Britain of "chaos" over its position ahead of Brexit negotiations and said it was unacceptable for the European Union to be held to ransom over "an internal UK debate".
He said: "Somebody needs to tell us something, and it needs to be something that makes sense.
"You can’t say that it’s sensible to say we want access to the single market but no free circulation of people. It’s obvious that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
Donald Trump’s policy advisors are discussing plans to establish a registry for Muslim immigrants in the US, a man believed to be a key member of the President-elect's transition team has revealed.
Kris Kobach, the secretary of state for Kansas, said the President-elect’s advisors were looking at how to implement a proposal suggested by the billionaire businessman that would force immigrants from Muslim countries to register on a database.
Perhaps this is getting close to describing what Theresa May and Donald Trump have in common?US President-elect Donald Trump has defended his handling of the transition to the White House, amid reports of disarray in his team. (BBC News website)
