Friday 2nd December 2016

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 12:52 pm

The academic Rob Ford has been tweeting about the size of the swing in Richmond Park.[ (Politics Live, Guardian)

Yes - and you should see the banana slide!

Edited - to get the quote box right

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:03 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If austerity is over, why can’t Britain afford proper social care?
John Harris

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:09 pm

The SNP's Angus Robertson tweets:

Powerful speech by @MhairiBlack on benefits sanctions heckled by Tory MP saying claimants are terrified of work #shameful

Wonder who it was and what sort of jobs he (it's probably a he) has had to get on his high horse about the work ethic. I'd guess nothing along the lines of digging roads or cleaning toilets.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:25 pm

nickyinnorfolk wrote:The SNP's Angus Robertson tweets:

Powerful speech by @MhairiBlack on benefits sanctions heckled by Tory MP saying claimants are terrified of work #shameful
Wonder who it was and what sort of jobs he (it's probably a he) has had to get on his high horse about the work ethic. I'd guess nothing along the lines of digging roads or cleaning toilets.

It was David Nuttall (Bury North) so far as I can ascertain. He's a solicitor\notary public, apparently, which can involve back-breaking work.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:28 pm

7m ago 13:21

The Liberal Democrats’ newest MP walked out of a live radio interview after being given a grilling over her position on Brexit, the Press Association reports (Politics Live, Guardian)

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:31 pm

PorFavor wrote:
nickyinnorfolk wrote:The SNP's Angus Robertson tweets:

Powerful speech by @MhairiBlack on benefits sanctions heckled by Tory MP saying claimants are terrified of work #shameful
Wonder who it was and what sort of jobs he (it's probably a he) has had to get on his high horse about the work ethic. I'd guess nothing along the lines of digging roads or cleaning toilets.

It was David Nuttall (Bury North) so far as I can ascertain. He's a solicitor\notary public, apparently, which can involve back-breaking work.

Well, quite.

What a sanctimonious pr1ck.

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:44 pm

PorFavor wrote:
7m ago 13:21

The Liberal Democrats’ newest MP walked out of a live radio interview after being given a grilling over her position on Brexit, the Press Association reports (Politics Live, Guardian)

It was with Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio I understand. She should be used to people walking out on her by now. Probably the most sensible thing to do given how unpleasant she is both in public and I understand in private.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:45 pm

Jeez. What an utterly appalling creep, even by Tory standards.

This from Nuttall's Wikipedia page:

Nuttall made his maiden speech on 10 June 2010 during a debate on "Tackling Poverty in the UK".[5][6] In his speech Nuttall said: "I intend to be a strong and independent advocate for my constituents".

Nuttall's first question in the House of Commons attracted some local comment when, in the week that cuts in spending and public sector job cuts were announced, Nuttall chose to express regret over the freezing of the spending on the civil list and implications for the Queen's diamond jubilee.[7] The Bury Times carried several letters protesting his stance.[8][9][10][11]

Nuttall is rated as one of the Conservatives' most rebellious MPs.[12]

Nuttall handed PM David Cameron a petition for an in/out referendum on Britain's membership in the EU after he got 100,000 signatures calling for it. Afterwards, Cameron said he would not back such a referendum saying "it is in Britain's interest to remain in the EU". [13] On 5 February 2013 Nuttall voted against in the House of Commons Second Reading vote on same-sex marriage in Britain.[14]

In 2013 Nuttall was one of four MPs who camped outside Parliament in a move to facilitate parliamentary debate on what they called an "Alternative Queen's Speech"—an attempt to show what a future Conservative government might deliver.[15] Some 42 policies were listed including reintroduction of the death penalty and conscription, privatising the BBC, banning the burka in public places and preparation to leave the European Union.[15]

In 2014 Nuttall along with six other Conservative Party MPs voted against the Equal Pay (Transparency) Bill which would require all companies with more than 250 employees to declare the gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.[16]

In October 2015 Nuttall joined with Conservative MPs Philip Davies and Christopher Chope to "talk out" a private members' bill intended to limit hospital parking charges for carers.[17]

In March 2016 he joined three other Conservative backbench MPs in "talking out" a bill by Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, which aimed to reverse moves to privatise the NHS. By filibustering for three and a half hours, Caroline Lucas was left with just 17 minutes to present her bill, which was subsequently shelved without a vote.[18]

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:52 pm

ScarletGas wrote:Great article by Michael Mansfield on the current nature of our democracy and the reasons for its current sorry mess.

Just a couple of observations both of which have been elucidated well BTL.

Firstly the danger of creating another elite whilst removing another.

Secondly, he, surprisingly given his background,completely overlooks the role of the media and its owners in getting us to this point of crisis.

Not sure if the link will work. If not can some kind soul rectify and advise my error. Thanks in advance.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ople-state" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

The need is for a fresh approach, to redefine the meaning and ambit of democracy for an emergent and politically active movement of citizens. The concept of a national convention on the constitution is already supported by campaigning groups such as Compass, Open Democracy, Unlock Democracy and Assemblies for Democracy, as well as the Green party.

Um...and the Labour party under Ed Miliband. A constitutional convention was in the 2015 manifesto. The idea of replacing the House of Lords with a regional senate was one of the things up for debate. Perhaps if journalists had spent less time worrying about how Ed Miliband eats a bacon sandwich and a bit more communicating Labour manifesto proposals, voters wouldn't have ended up with the erroneous impression that Labour is the same as the Tories.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:54 pm

ScarletGas wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
7m ago 13:21

The Liberal Democrats’ newest MP walked out of a live radio interview after being given a grilling over her position on Brexit, the Press Association reports (Politics Live, Guardian)
It was with Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio I understand. She should be used to people walking out on her by now. Probably the most sensible thing to do given how unpleasant she is both in public and I understand in private.

She's been getting put right on something she is not clear about on this...

Julia Hartley-Brewer Verified account
‏@JuliaHB1

Looking forward to the new LibDem MP for Richmond calling a 2nd by-election. After all, we can't be *sure* voters knew what they voted for..

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 1:55 pm

nickyinnorfolk wrote:Jeez. What an utterly appalling creep, even by Tory standards.

This from Nuttall's Wikipedia page:

Nuttall made his maiden speech on 10 June 2010 during a debate on "Tackling Poverty in the UK".[5][6] In his speech Nuttall said: "I intend to be a strong and independent advocate for my constituents".

Nuttall's first question in the House of Commons attracted some local comment when, in the week that cuts in spending and public sector job cuts were announced, Nuttall chose to express regret over the freezing of the spending on the civil list and implications for the Queen's diamond jubilee.[7] The Bury Times carried several letters protesting his stance.[8][9][10][11]

Nuttall is rated as one of the Conservatives' most rebellious MPs.[12]

Nuttall handed PM David Cameron a petition for an in/out referendum on Britain's membership in the EU after he got 100,000 signatures calling for it. Afterwards, Cameron said he would not back such a referendum saying "it is in Britain's interest to remain in the EU". [13] On 5 February 2013 Nuttall voted against in the House of Commons Second Reading vote on same-sex marriage in Britain.[14]

In 2013 Nuttall was one of four MPs who camped outside Parliament in a move to facilitate parliamentary debate on what they called an "Alternative Queen's Speech"—an attempt to show what a future Conservative government might deliver.[15] Some 42 policies were listed including reintroduction of the death penalty and conscription, privatising the BBC, banning the burka in public places and preparation to leave the European Union.[15]

In 2014 Nuttall along with six other Conservative Party MPs voted against the Equal Pay (Transparency) Bill which would require all companies with more than 250 employees to declare the gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.[16]

In October 2015 Nuttall joined with Conservative MPs Philip Davies and Christopher Chope to "talk out" a private members' bill intended to limit hospital parking charges for carers.[17]

In March 2016 he joined three other Conservative backbench MPs in "talking out" a bill by Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, which aimed to reverse moves to privatise the NHS. By filibustering for three and a half hours, Caroline Lucas was left with just 17 minutes to present her bill, which was subsequently shelved without a vote.[18]

He has a majority of 378 and really should have lost in 2015, many locals were amazed that he won.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 2:02 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
nickyinnorfolk wrote:Jeez. What an utterly appalling creep, even by Tory standards.

This from Nuttall's Wikipedia page:

Nuttall made his maiden speech on 10 June 2010 during a debate on "Tackling Poverty in the UK".[5][6] In his speech Nuttall said: "I intend to be a strong and independent advocate for my constituents".

Nuttall's first question in the House of Commons attracted some local comment when, in the week that cuts in spending and public sector job cuts were announced, Nuttall chose to express regret over the freezing of the spending on the civil list and implications for the Queen's diamond jubilee.[7] The Bury Times carried several letters protesting his stance.[8][9][10][11]

Nuttall is rated as one of the Conservatives' most rebellious MPs.[12]

Nuttall handed PM David Cameron a petition for an in/out referendum on Britain's membership in the EU after he got 100,000 signatures calling for it. Afterwards, Cameron said he would not back such a referendum saying "it is in Britain's interest to remain in the EU". [13] On 5 February 2013 Nuttall voted against in the House of Commons Second Reading vote on same-sex marriage in Britain.[14]

In 2013 Nuttall was one of four MPs who camped outside Parliament in a move to facilitate parliamentary debate on what they called an "Alternative Queen's Speech"—an attempt to show what a future Conservative government might deliver.[15] Some 42 policies were listed including reintroduction of the death penalty and conscription, privatising the BBC, banning the burka in public places and preparation to leave the European Union.[15]

In 2014 Nuttall along with six other Conservative Party MPs voted against the Equal Pay (Transparency) Bill which would require all companies with more than 250 employees to declare the gap in pay between the average male and average female salaries.[16]

In October 2015 Nuttall joined with Conservative MPs Philip Davies and Christopher Chope to "talk out" a private members' bill intended to limit hospital parking charges for carers.[17]

In March 2016 he joined three other Conservative backbench MPs in "talking out" a bill by Green Party MP Caroline Lucas, which aimed to reverse moves to privatise the NHS. By filibustering for three and a half hours, Caroline Lucas was left with just 17 minutes to present her bill, which was subsequently shelved without a vote.[18]
He has a majority of 378 and really should have lost in 2015, many locals were amazed that he won.

Awful.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 2:38 pm

I wondered if someone would say that Labour would have done better with a pro-Corbyn candidate.

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 3:02 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
ScarletGas wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
It was with Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio I understand. She should be used to people walking out on her by now. Probably the most sensible thing to do given how unpleasant she is both in public and I understand in private.
She's been getting put right on something she is not clear about on this...
Julia Hartley-Brewer Verified account
‏@JuliaHB1

Looking forward to the new LibDem MP for Richmond calling a 2nd by-election. After all, we can't be *sure* voters knew what they voted for..

Has someone straightened Hartley-Brewer out yet? Another election in Richmond Park is scheduled in 2020.
A political news interviewer ought to know that information without being told, mind. Why is Talk Radio poorly staffed?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 3:50 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... dApp_Tweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ministers ditch anti-lobbying proposals for charities and universities

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 3:51 pm

Andrew Sachs, Manuel from Fawlty Towers, dies aged 86 (Guardian)

Good innings.

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 4:18 pm

I see Sarah Olney said that the Lib Dems would defend the "open,tolerent,united Britain we love"

This has been repeated several times today by Tim Farron.

Can I then ask how that squares with the actions of the same party between 2010 and 2015.

Recognising that neither were actually in government during this time the parties actions then spoke louder than the words utterered today.

I know a week is a very long time in politics but people have long memories (I hope)

One (admittedly stonking) victory in an atypical by election should not be overdone and seen as the second (or is it third or even forth) coming.

If this sort of result or anywhere close is repeated next week and over the next few months then is the time to (as I think it was YahYah that said) crow like a bunch of roosters on Viagra.

But not before.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 5:01 pm

Seriously?

Lucy Sweetman ‏@LucySweetman 8m8 minutes ago

I've complained to the BBC about #Farage's umpteenth appearance on #BBCQT next week. You can too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He's not even a party leader so why the hell is he on again?

I did see a nasty rumour that Mensch was on too -

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 5:01 pm

The Public Accounts Committee is holding a public hearing on the report on Monday 12 December and has invited written evidence submissions. They must be with the Committee by midday next Tuesday, 6 December.

http://dpac.uk.net/2016/11/dr-david-web ... sanctions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... ons-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 5:03 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Seriously?

Lucy Sweetman ‏@LucySweetman 8m8 minutes ago

I've complained to the BBC about #Farage's umpteenth appearance on #BBCQT next week. You can too. http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He's not even a party leader so why the hell is he on again?

I did see a nasty rumour that Mensch was on too -

He was on Any Questions last week too. Sick of the sound of him.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 6:32 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... f37fe3d8a9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

President-elect Donald Trump, who has claimed the election was riddled with fraud, has filed an objection to block what his lawyers called a “lawless, insulting” request for a recount in Michigan that had been scheduled to begin Friday.

A 36-page challenge filed by attorneys on behalf of Trump and the Michigan Republican Party argues that the “farce” recount called for by Green Party candidate Jill Stein “sows doubts regarding the legitimacy of the presidential election,” creates “constitutional chaos” and threatens to knock the Electoral College “off its hinges.”

Incoherent anger is the response to every problem in Trumpland, it seems.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 7:26 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syr ... 51656.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is a good piece on the inherent bias in all written material. Although knowing everyone is trying to unduly influence you isn't much help when trying to discern the truth. You just end up like Fox Mulder and trust no one.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 7:28 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ter-a-year" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Article on the scrapping of the "national teaching service"

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 7:40 pm

Philip Larkin didn’t need a place in Poets’ Corner – but he deserves it

Thirty-one years after his death, the most quotable British poet of the 20th century takes his rightful place in Westminster Abbey (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ster-abbey

For some reason, I always break out the Philip Larkin at this time of year.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:01 pm

New blow for Hinkley Point contractor EDF after French safety checks

Safety issues force many reactors offline prompting warnings of power cuts across France, higher energy prices and a rise in emissions

The problems stem back to a fault identified last year by the Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN) in the as-yet-unfinished reactor at north-western France’s Flamanville plant – the same design approved for Hinkley Point C in the UK

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ear-plants

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:12 pm

Film about nuns who fall in love to be shown in Welsh cathedral
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... osexuality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:23 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Film about nuns who fall in love to be shown in Welsh cathedral
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... osexuality" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think some people are going to be extremely disappointed that leaving the EU isn't going to be some sort of shortcut back to the 1950s after all.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:53 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 51641.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jill Stein 'handed Donald Trump the presidency' by splitting support for Hillary Clinton

Shock as left hand power to right on account of being too mutually judgmental to play nicely together.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:54 pm

And if anyone disagrees with me I'm off.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 8:58 pm

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More young people are watching Planet Earth 2 than The X Factor
Sir David Attenborough thinks children are learning that their future is linked to that of the environment

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:04 pm

Reject the establishment or watch the far-right take over, Corbyn tells Europe's centre-left leaders
Mr Corbyn says the populist right has identified the right problems but has 'toxic' solutions
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 53066.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:06 pm

Banking giant UBS chooses Frankfurt over London for its wealth management business
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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:07 pm

If "the British public" voted to leave Europe - does that mean I'm no longer considered British?
Or perhaps I'm no longer considered public?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:23 pm

Other flibustering Tories this time to stop taxi drivers having to be basically trained and not stopping guide dogs.

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:33 pm

EU Flag Mafia ‏@EUflagmafia 2h2 hours ago
Meanwhile in Brexit area of Chichester, the @LibDems win another councillor seat (23rd since May) in a huge swing. In a BREXIT area. Respect

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:44 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:EU Flag Mafia ‏@EUflagmafia 2h2 hours ago
Meanwhile in Brexit area of Chichester, the @LibDems win another councillor seat (23rd since May) in a huge swing. In a BREXIT area. Respect

Yes a shocker of a result for the Tories. Were there local issues?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:49 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:EU Flag Mafia ‏@EUflagmafia 2h2 hours ago
Meanwhile in Brexit area of Chichester, the @LibDems win another councillor seat (23rd since May) in a huge swing. In a BREXIT area. Respect
Yes a shocker of a result for the Tories. Were there local issues?

Not sure, maybe AK will know ?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:49 pm

Financial TimesVerified account
‏@FT
FT EXCLUSIVE: Donald Trump risks major diplomatic dispute with China after speaking on phone with Taiwan's president

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:54 pm

Christian Odendahl ‏@COdendahl 8h8 hours ago
The UK government's #Brexit negotiation strategy.

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:lol!:

- but true.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 9:59 pm

Guy VerhofstadtVerified account
‏@GuyVerhofstadt
Actually, Iain Duncan Smith, I was elected by my constituents with more than half a million votes

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 10:31 pm

DfE report proposes 'forced privatisation' of child protection services
Councils should be compelled to outsource children's services including child protection work as part of efforts to improve standards, a government-commissioned report has suggested.

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Or how about we just fund them properly ?

Edit to give this link that should work....
Now https://shar.es/18hdk9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; good grief...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 10:35 pm

alexmassie ‏@alexmassie 6m6 minutes ago
On #HIGNFY tonight UKIP's Suzanne Evans said UK will get everything it wants from Brexit because EU 27 are "totally" reliant on GB for trade

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 10:44 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 51641.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jill Stein 'handed Donald Trump the presidency' by splitting support for Hillary Clinton
Shock as left hand power to right on account of being too mutually judgmental to play nicely together.

Let's kill this one right away, Stein didn't "hand Trump the presidency" at all.

If she had not stood and every single one of her voters this time had chosen HRC, Trump would still have carried the EC narrowly.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 10:49 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 10:52 pm

Matthew Holehouse
‏@mattholehouse
Eurostar's submission to Parliamentary inquiry into Brexit, an extract.

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Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Fri 02 Dec, 2016 11:26 pm

Interesting suggestion:

...I write to suggest that the Liberal Democratic party should change its name to The European Party. We of the forgotten 48% are surely more numerous today, now that Brexit’s rudderless fiasco is becoming as obvious as the shameless lies earlier told by its advocates. Even the lead rat of the leavers has signalled his inclination to leave the sinking ship and become a migrant to America...
Richard Dawkins
Oxford

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ark-result

They've got nothing to lose!

Also a lot of good points about cooperation in the other letters.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Dec, 2016 12:37 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... s-services" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rough sleeping on rise in Birmingham after cuts to services for homeless

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 03 Dec, 2016 12:39 am

We had got it to manageable levels and made huge progress until 2009. Then the cuts started