Tuesday 6th December 2016
Posted: Tue 06 Dec, 2016 7:11 am
Morning all.
Well those bits of the country that Westminster still governs anyway..Rail commuters will be able to use a pay-as-you-go smart card to travel anywhere in the country by 2018, under the railway reforms unveiled today.
And those bits that Grayling hasn't completely buggered up.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Oh and where the staff aren't on strike.
There is no value or benefit to travellers in a pay-as-you-go smart card - it's just another way of buying a ticket, and of blaming travellers for the lack of facilities to buy tickets outside of main stations.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Morning!
Rail reforms
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-38182886" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Well those bits of the country that Westminster still governs anyway..Rail commuters will be able to use a pay-as-you-go smart card to travel anywhere in the country by 2018, under the railway reforms unveiled today.
An article that reflects my own doubts as to whether or not Labour will ultimately defend our membership of the single market or not. The jury remains out as it is clear that there are major differences of opinion within the party with no clear indication of which view will win out. I have little confidence in either the Corbyn left or the 'Blairite' right of the party on this issue, as many of you have probably gathered by now. But I am a little reassured that the inscrutable Keir Starmer is probably at least trying to pull the party in the right direction (from my own perspective, I appreciate for many Labour supporters remaining in the single market would involve unacceptable compromises, but I find the economic costs of leaving too great to ignore).You need powers of clairvoyance to work out Labour’s Brexit policy. There is no consistency of purpose or language, leaving a mess of competing conversations. As things stand, Labour has no voice on the main political issue of the day.
There are at least four camps: The leadership, the shadow Brexit department, the reformers and the abolitionists.
Barnier says he has been preparing for the Brexit negotiations. He has visited 18 member states already, and will have visited them all by the end of January.
He is building a team of 30 officials, with solid experience in all areas.
I quite like him from that article - he posed for a picture outside the 'museum of broken relationships' and tweeted about enjoying a glass of Prosecco at lunchtime after that one of Johnson's silly interjections.gilsey wrote:Be afraid. Be very afraid.Barnier says he has been preparing for the Brexit negotiations. He has visited 18 member states already, and will have visited them all by the end of January.
He is building a team of 30 officials, with solid experience in all areas.
Michel Barnier, the European commission’s chief Brexit negotiator, is staring[sic] his press conference.
Barnier says the European commission is ready to receive notification from the UK.
He says at the start of the process (after article 50 has been triggered) the commission will have to set guidelines.
And, at the end of the negotiation, the deal will have to be agreed.
That means there will be less than 18 months for the actual talks, he says. (Politics Live, Guardian - my emphasis)
gilsey wrote:Be afraid. Be very afraid.Barnier says he has been preparing for the Brexit negotiations. He has visited 18 member states already, and will have visited them all by the end of January.
He is building a team of 30 officials, with solid experience in all areas.
He must be very certain of his popularity.Len McCluskey is expected to resign this week as head of Britain’s biggest union in an effort to seek a third term in office.
The Unite general secretary told members of the union on Monday that he plans to stand down on Wednesday, union sources have claimed, sparking an election with rivals.
The decision on whether the Government or Parliament should have the power to trigger Article 50 could rest on what happened to a London hotel.
The Supreme Court is very interested in a 1920 case between the Attorney General and the De Keyser’s Royal Hotel.
In the First World War the Government used the Royal Prerogative to requisition this 300-bed hotel on the Victoria Embankment to house hundreds of troops. Crucially, they refused to pay any compensation. The hotel then took the Government to court demanding it cough up. The court ruled that the Government had abused its prerogative powers.
“If the whole ground of something which could be done by the prerogative is covered by the statute it is the statute that rules,” it judged.
The question the judges have to decide is if this sets a legal precedent.
I've read it twice but I'm still unclear as to what it means, tbhPaulfromYorkshire wrote:Presumably this means you can't use the Prerogative simply to avoid doing something you don't want to do.
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I found this very helpful, from the Mirror!The decision on whether the Government or Parliament should have the power to trigger Article 50 could rest on what happened to a London hotel.
The Supreme Court is very interested in a 1920 case between the Attorney General and the De Keyser’s Royal Hotel.
In the First World War the Government used the Royal Prerogative to requisition this 300-bed hotel on the Victoria Embankment to house hundreds of troops. Crucially, they refused to pay any compensation. The hotel then took the Government to court demanding it cough up. The court ruled that the Government had abused its prerogative powers.
“If the whole ground of something which could be done by the prerogative is covered by the statute it is the statute that rules,” it judged.
The question the judges have to decide is if this sets a legal precedent.
The compensation claim was based on an 1842 act of parliament. The judgement seems to be saying that the Royal Prerogative can't reverse or overturn something passed by parliament, in this case to override a previous provision for payment of compensation.On the Attorney-General's appeal in 1920, the House of Lords unanimously affirmed the Court of Appeal's decision, rejecting the government's claim to rely on prerogative power, and holding that once the statute had been enacted the prerogative powers fell into abeyance, for the duration of the life of its provisions should the statute be replaced or amended or modified.
Given this is part of Labour First's latest little wheeze to undermine Corbyn and start Coup 2:Revenge of the Scabs, I would say Len is likely to increase his mandate.Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tay-longerHe must be very certain of his popularity.Len McCluskey is expected to resign this week as head of Britain’s biggest union in an effort to seek a third term in office.
The Unite general secretary told members of the union on Monday that he plans to stand down on Wednesday, union sources have claimed, sparking an election with rivals.
Yes, the advisory nature of the referendum is significant in this, I think. Parliament passed an act to hold the referendum, but it didn't pass an act to put the result into practice and this is suggesting that as such the government essentially has to prove it has the right to leave the EU without a referendum or parliamentary approval in order to win its case.AngryAsWell wrote:Martin Porter QC
@MartinPorter6
If, in a parallel universe, I were a Supreme Court Judge I would start with these questions
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I don't really follow. If McCluskey wanted to undermine Corbyn, why has he been supporting him?Temulkar wrote:Given this is part of Labour First's latest little wheeze to undermine Corbyn and start Coup 2:Revenge of the Scabs, I would say Len is likely to increase his mandate.Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tay-longerHe must be very certain of his popularity.Len McCluskey is expected to resign this week as head of Britain’s biggest union in an effort to seek a third term in office.
The Unite general secretary told members of the union on Monday that he plans to stand down on Wednesday, union sources have claimed, sparking an election with rivals.
McClusky doesnt, it is Akehurst and co trying to unseat McClusky with procedural nonsense that has made Len press the nuclear option of resignation and re-election. As always with the scabs they underestimated their opponent and have been wrong footed.Willow904 wrote:I don't really follow. If McCluskey wanted to undermine Corbyn, why has he been supporting him?Temulkar wrote:Given this is part of Labour First's latest little wheeze to undermine Corbyn and start Coup 2:Revenge of the Scabs, I would say Len is likely to increase his mandate.Willow904 wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tay-longer He must be very certain of his popularity.
Only McCluskey can choose to resign, so I don't see how this has been forced on him. Resigning early specifically to run for an extra term is risky, so he must be very confident, is all I can say.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I think what is being implied is that anti-Corbyn/McCluskey elements have basically forced this upon him. I personally don't claim to know enough about events to comment on that.
He wouldnt have such dire ratings if it wasnt forthe scabs. Do you honestly think the labour membership are going to meekly vote against corbyn after they have seen the constant undermining of the leadership and deliberate failure to hold the tories to account? Coup 2: Revenge of the Scabs will end up as humilatingly for the Scabs as Coup 1: The Snivelling Lying Shit.Tubby Isaacs wrote:McCluskey will back whoever gives the best offer to his members, as is his job. It wasn't a coincidence that after his backing last time, Clive Lewis came out and backed defence policies that will keep Unite members in jobs. I think it's a mistake to see McCluskey as Jez''s bosom pal.
And even if he were he can't keep backing someone with such dire ratings.
I don't think they've been forgotten - they're being ignored, which is rather more deliberate and calculated.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... are_btn_tw
The forgotten people in the grammar school debate? Disabled children
Mike Lambert
The Labour Membership can do what they want.Temulkar wrote:He wouldnt have such dire ratings if it wasnt forthe scabs. Do you honestly think the labour membership are going to meekly vote against corbyn after they have seen the constant undermining of the leadership and deliberate failure to hold the tories to account? Coup 2: Revenge of the Scabs will end up as humilatingly for the Scabs as Coup 1: The Snivelling Lying Shit.Tubby Isaacs wrote:McCluskey will back whoever gives the best offer to his members, as is his job. It wasn't a coincidence that after his backing last time, Clive Lewis came out and backed defence policies that will keep Unite members in jobs. I think it's a mistake to see McCluskey as Jez''s bosom pal.
And even if he were he can't keep backing someone with such dire ratings.
That'll help things along . . .13:19
The BBC’s Norman Smith says a government source has accused Michel Barnier of “posturing”. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Tubby Isaacs wrote:I've moved to Wales since I last used to post. Pro Single Market Plaid are looking attractive.
I'm sure Plaid, just like Jez, would like to dole out subsidies. But unlike him, they can see the price of that is hard Brexit and not worth it.
Yeah cos you're political predictions have been so accurate in the last year or so.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Do you think Labour voters are going to meekly vote for Corbyn when they repeatedly say they don't want him? Why should they? Why should Corbyn want to stay?
I think he'll stand down before 2018. McCluskey needn't worry.
PorFavor wrote:PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I found this very helpful, from the Mirror!The decision on whether the Government or Parliament should have the power to trigger Article 50 could rest on what happened to a London hotel.
The Supreme Court is very interested in a 1920 case between the Attorney General and the De Keyser’s Royal Hotel.
In the First World War the Government used the Royal Prerogative to requisition this 300-bed hotel on the Victoria Embankment to house hundreds of troops. Crucially, they refused to pay any compensation. The hotel then took the Government to court demanding it cough up. The court ruled that the Government had abused its prerogative powers.
“If the whole ground of something which could be done by the prerogative is covered by the statute it is the statute that rules,” it judged.
The question the judges have to decide is if this sets a legal precedent.
Which reminds me -
Has anyone here been watching the latest Stephen Poliakoff offering (Close to the Enemy - different war, different hotel)?
As ever, I'm entranced. Stephen Poliakoff is so good at effortlessly making me (and my not being conscious of it) suspend reality - even on re-watches. It's a sort of magic spell.
Edited to add -
Suspend disbelief, even.
Vote Plaid, but make sure you can speak Welsh, and want the union broken up. There is a reason they came 4th last year in Wales, there's a reason why they have never broken out of the prinicipality into the march. They may welcome your vote but they won't welcome you. I doubt it will take you too long to figure it out, but then again you haven't understood why Corbyn won twice, or why brexit happened, or even Trump in the US, so....Tubby Isaacs wrote:I've moved to Wales since I last used to post. Pro Single Market Plaid are looking attractive.
I'm sure Plaid, just like Jez, would like to dole out subsidies. But unlike him, they can see the price of that is hard Brexit and not worth it.