Monday 12th December 2016

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 4:24 pm

Surely there's a conflict of interest there ?

edited to add: re the author sponsored police force cars.

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 4:48 pm

Hmm Sigh ......post truth politics?

Israel is a thriving democracy, a beacon of tolerance an engine of enterprise so sayeth Margo Ledbetter,sorry Teresa May.

Of course all this anti Semitism stuff is a left wing issue. No right wingers are in any way anti Semitic ........

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 4:52 pm

yahyah wrote:Surely there's a conflict of interest there ?

edited to add: re the author sponsored police force cars.

I always enjoy Peter James's novels because they are based around Brighton & Hove so the landmarks he writes of are known to me.

Not quite seeing any conflict of interest though, until such time as James breaks the law that is.....

Haven't seen any police cars bearing his advertising either, apart from at his book signing sessions whenever he has a new book to promote.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 4:58 pm

pk1 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Surely there's a conflict of interest there ?

edited to add: re the author sponsored police force cars.
I always enjoy Peter James's novels because they are based around Brighton & Hove so the landmarks he writes of are known to me.

Not quite seeing any conflict of interest though, until such time as James breaks the law that is.....

Haven't seen any police cars bearing his advertising either, apart from at his book signing sessions whenever he has a new book to promote.

It can be sufficient with conflicts of interest for them to be known. If he was ever arrested, it would hardly be a secret that he had this relationship!

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 5:14 pm

ScarletGas wrote:Hmm Sigh ......post truth politics?

Israel is a thriving democracy, a beacon of tolerance an engine of enterprise so sayeth Margo Ledbetter,sorry Teresa May.

Of course all this anti Semitism stuff is a left wing issue. No right wingers are in any way anti Semitic ........

Luciana Berger may have a few observations to make on the latter claim.

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 5:29 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
ScarletGas wrote:Hmm Sigh ......post truth politics?

Israel is a thriving democracy, a beacon of tolerance an engine of enterprise so sayeth Margo Ledbetter,sorry Teresa May.

Of course all this anti Semitism stuff is a left wing issue. No right wingers are in any way anti Semitic ........
Luciana Berger may have a few observations to make on the latter claim.

Exactly my thoughts.

Our Prime minister playing petty party politics (for that is what it is) over such a serious issue is indicative of the level of political discourse to which we have descended.

Without wanting to open up an interminable and frankly, tedious debate on his merits or otherwise, can you imagine the furore from the usual suspects if Corbyn had claimed something in a similar vein?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 5:33 pm

RIP Jim Prior.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 5:47 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... footer-nav" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:03 pm

Where've they gone?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:05 pm

Where have what/who gone?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:06 pm

am taking a rare moment off from talking about Theresa May's trousers to bring you this:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/ ... n-is-taken" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A further 340 public libraries could close in the next five years if the government does not act urgently to halt drastic funding cuts, the head of a leading library organisation has warned, which would equal the number of closures witnessed by the sector over the past eight years.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:06 pm

My mum in law would suggest a prayer to Saint Anthony for retrieval.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:09 pm

Willow904 wrote:Where have what/who gone?

tinyclanger2's posts. Unless I imagined them . . .

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:15 pm

Am working on the right tone and narrative to combine my thoughts on:

1) mouse shops
2) people
3) solidarity
4) Shirley Williams
5) Sea Shepherd
6) self-righteousness
7) Tories
8) the planet
9) terror
10) xmas

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:16 pm

PS - the mouse shops were brilliant.

I trust that liking them doesn't somehow suggest that I 'm not interested in anything else

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 6:16 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:am taking a rare moment off from talking about Theresa May's trousers to bring you this:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/ ... n-is-taken" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A further 340 public libraries could close in the next five years if the government does not act urgently to halt drastic funding cuts, the head of a leading library organisation has warned, which would equal the number of closures witnessed by the sector over the past eight years.

I volunteer at a local library. It's mostly what you would expect, pensioners borrowing books, parents with toddlers attending story time for something to do. What a lot of people might not realise is just how many people pop in to use the computers to print something out. While many people have smartphones, the expense of a printer simply isn't worth it for the very rare occasions they need one. Libraries will be missed and by more people than you might think. It really is strange how people are just accepting the closure of so many public services. We've been able to afford all these things in the past, yet it is being passively accepted we can't afford them now. I think the Tory right must have picked up some tips from the US right which for so long has persuaded Americans that not having universal healthcare like Canada and much of Europe makes them sonehow superior. I mean seriously, how are they getting away with this crap?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 7:15 pm

Ho ho ho!

Post Office workers to stage five days of strikes next week

Industrial action, which will include strike on Christmas Eve, is over job losses, pension changes and franchising of crown post offices

Can't say as I really blame them - but it won't endear them to the public.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -next-week

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 7:24 pm

Re the Post Office strike - I forgot to say that there are no details as yet so I don't know what the strike actually involves with regard to how seriously services are likely to be affected.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 7:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... es-weather" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UK heading for warmest Christmas Day ever, according to bookies
Ladbrokes slashes odds of previous high being beaten after cold start to December is followed by mild weather

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 7:58 pm

Guardian quote various EU faces saying Brexit UK EU citizenship is not going to happen.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:05 pm

Any chance of a link?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:07 pm

Interesting item on supply teachers on R4 now

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:07 pm

Guess how many stately homes (roughly) there are in Cheshire.
(I insist)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:15 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Guess how many stately homes (roughly) there are in Cheshire.
(I insist)

4 all owned by Osborne ?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:15 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:22 pm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:22 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... n-families" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why the Tories’ so-called free childcare will punish children and families
Neil Leitch

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:24 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 70046.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Donald Trump wipes $3.5bn off Lockheed Martin market value with single tweet
Last week, Trump took a shot at Boeing via Twitter threatening to cancel its 747 Air Force One program, with the company taking a $1.4bn hit to its market value

the 3.5 billion dollar tweet.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:24 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:212

212 ? .....big place Cheshire.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:28 pm

Oh God! Hilary Ben jumping on the UKIP bandwagon now.
Hilary Benn, the chair of the Brexit Select Committee and former frontbencher, argued the 52% who voted to leave the EU “sent a message” about ending the free movement of people.

It comes amid a brewing Labour war on the issue, with leader Jeremy Corbyn and Shadow Home Secretary Diane Abbott opposed to curbing immigration from the EU.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... n-row-call" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:32 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Any chance of a link?

EU citizenship deal for British nationals has 'no chance', say experts
Britons getting special rights in Europe – as supported by EU’s Brexit negotiator Guy Verhofstadt – seen as very unlikely

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ay-experts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:36 pm

RIP Ian McCaskill

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:38 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Am working on the right tone and narrative to combine my thoughts on:

1) mouse shops
2) people
3) solidarity
4) Shirley Williams
5) Sea Shepherd
6) self-righteousness
7) Tories
8) the planet
9) terror
10) xmas

As a chap who likes bobbing about on the briney, and has a great deal of admiration for our cetacean brethren, somewhat higher than that for a lot of my fellow Homo "sapiens", I have ruthlessly parsed your list down to things that I like right now.

So that'll be Sea Shepherd then. I must say that they seem to be getting an awful lot of chunky support, having just had a very spouncy new high speed craft built from new, the Ocean Warrior.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:45 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:212

Blimey. What with stately homes and golf courses, no wonder there isn't any room left for the rest of us.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:47 pm

Hmmmm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:53 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

'High social cost' adults can be predicted from as young as three, says study

Linked purely on the basis of the kind of utter tosh that pervades.

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:55 pm

PorFavor wrote:Re the Post Office strike - I forgot to say that there are no details as yet so I don't know what the strike actually involves with regard to how seriously services are likely to be affected.

It looks like it's only Post Office employees involved - ie Crown offices, not those operated by supermarkets or local shops. Royal Mail will presumably be unaffected.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:59 pm

http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/23626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lord Freud, Peter Oborne, and welfare reform

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 8:59 pm

Willow904 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:212
Blimey. What with stately homes and golf courses, no wonder there isn't any room left for the rest of us.

Is a 'stately home' in Cheshire the same as a 'detached villa' elsewhere?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:01 pm

Petition:
Force the government to act on the eleven recommendations of the UNCRPD report

As a result of being investigated by a United Nations committee for not fulfilling the terms of the UNCRPD, the government have been found guilty of grave & systematic violations of the rights of disabled people as a direct result of austerity policies introduced into welfare & social care.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/172393" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:02 pm

Eric_WLothian wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:212
Blimey. What with stately homes and golf courses, no wonder there isn't any room left for the rest of us.
Is a 'stately home' in Cheshire the same as a 'detached villa' elsewhere?

It's true that they vary somewhat in size.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:05 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:212

...and here are just a few of them

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:29 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:37 pm

Dan Snow ‏@thehistoryguy 35s36 seconds ago
It gets weirder. 75 years ago today Romania declared war on the USA. Good luck with that.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:39 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... CMP=twt_gu

'High social cost' adults can be predicted from as young as three, says study

Linked purely on the basis of the kind of utter tosh that pervades.

Round pegs, square holes. And the obsession with changing the pegs, rather than the holes. At least that's what I took from it.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:47 pm

Santa and his elves doing bhangra in southall, England

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:lol!:

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:50 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Santa and his elves doing bhangra in southall, England

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Marvellous.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 9:56 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Santa and his elves doing bhangra in southall, England

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Marvellous.

What will mouse shops and now bhangra I think I'm getting a bit frivolous.......must be Christmas

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 10:06 pm

This called "taking the piss" - the consultation hasn't even closed yet...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 12 Dec, 2016 10:08 pm

Brexit: Theresa May would consider 'associate European citizenship' for British people
No 10 says it wants to 'find a way' for UK citizens to live and work in member states following the country's withdrawal from the bloc
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 69911.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;