Tuesday 13th December 2016

[PorFavor]

@RogerOThornhill

Glad that you've joined us now that you've stopped pretending to be a liitle bus.

I'm sure we've all done it at some time or another . . .

[HindleA]

Some of us have never stopped....

[HindleA]

Still got four hours of my shift left,hope I am working hard,hard to tell from this distance.

[Willow904]

Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has fended off calls for government intervention to protect civilians in Syria by arguing that the House of Commons, and by implication Labour, are partly to blame for the plight of the country because of the vote to block military action against Bashar al-Assad in 2013

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/bl ... itics-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ummm...surely if we are partly to blame, that strengthens the argument that we should do something to help now?

Not to mention the fact that there is no reason to believe the situation in Syria would be better now if Assad had been removed, certainly if what has happened in Libya since the removal of Gaddafi is anything to go by.

Anyway, Labour didn't exactly block military action against Assad in 2013. They simply asked that action should only be considered after the UN had completed an investigation into the sarin gas attack and many MPs from the government benches agreed with them. It was Cameron who pulled the plug on the idea of intervention altogether, having lost his hasty vote.

That Johnson should so blatantly attempt to score party political points from the death and devastation currently visiting Aleppo is quite depressing. Can he truly only view the world through the prism of potential personal and political advantage? Is there no tragedy big enough that it can fix his attention to addressing it without any thoughts of how he can gain from it?

[tinyclanger2]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... anctuaries" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Briton swims Antarctic in campaign for three marine sanctuaries
Endurance swimmer Lewis Pugh employs ‘Speedo diplomacy’ to stop overfishing in Antarctic

Excellent.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Afternoon all. Been a little bus scurrying around doing things but noticed this.

NHS 'must be more open on preventable patient deaths'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38305033

NHS trusts will start revealing details of preventable deaths as part of shake-up in the way they investigate cases.

Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said there needed to be improvements after a report criticised the way the NHS dealt with patient deaths in England.

The Care Quality Commision said current practices were inadequate and often caused more suffering to families.

Mr Hunt said rules would be published next year setting out how cases should be identified and looked into.

and

But Mr Hunt acknowledged there was an "inconsistency" in the way NHS trusts approached the issue of preventable deaths and learning from what had happened was "not prioritised" enough.

He said by publishing data on avoidable deaths from next April, patients and the public would be able to see which hospitals were learning from their mistakes.

but

The report says part of the problem lies in what type of death should be investigated.

Terms like "preventable", "avoidable" and "unexpected" mean different things to different trusts.

Many people who contributed to the review opposed calling a death either unexpected or avoidable as it lacked scientific clarity.

The CQC say improving the standard definition of each word, in discussion with families, should form part of the work to develop a national framework.

Given that this has been a long-running issue, by now you would have expected the Dept of Health and the regulators (not the NHS since it applies to them - you can't allow self-regulation) to come up with standard agreed definitions and procedures.

Publishing bogus stats when no-one can actually agree on what makes a death "avoidable" or "preventable" doesn't help anyone.

Mid Staffs!

[RogerOThornhill]

Mid Staffs!

I hesitated before leaving that out but yes, given that this was a while ago, you'd have thought the definitions would have been sorted by now.

The other point is that if you want more deaths investigated, you need the requisite number of qualified medics around to do it. Which means more money.

[gilsey]

Can he truly only view the world through the prism of potential personal and political advantage?

Yes.

[citizenJA]

Mid Staffs!

I hesitated before leaving that out but yes, given that this was a while ago, you'd have thought the definitions would have been sorted by now.

The other point is that if you want more deaths investigated, you need the requisite number of qualified medics around to do it. Which means more money.

(cJA bold)

oh, dear me, no
just get someone to do it
for goodness' sake!
such drama
the help is required to be two, three, four, five different places at once
do it all now, now, now, now
good servant

[citizenJA]

different subject entirely
apologies for going off-topic
the information requested won't fit in the square boxes provided
conspicuous absence of instruction allowing for additional pages
I'm distraught

[citizenJA]

Can he truly only view the world through the prism of potential personal and political advantage?

Yes.

We deserve better than this.

[HindleA]

http://derbyshirelabour.co.uk/2016/12/j ... -campaign/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


JEREMY CORBYN LAUNCHES COUNTY ELECTION CAMPAIGN

(Derbyshire)-Tories ran it (09-13) as one of the more moderate of them put it a time to stop attending to the "failures"of Society and helped "normal" people.To this end introducing charging for social care,removing help from thousands,creating a new eligibility category to specifically deny,even to the extent of attempting to break previous agreements and charging for maintainance of necessary equipment.

[AngryAsWell]

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson 5h5 hours ago
Labour MP Ben Bradshaw tells the House of Commons it is "highly probable" Russia interfered in the UK's EU Referendum.

[AngryAsWell]

Arctic temperatures have hit levels last seen a ridiculously long time ago
The word glacial should be redefined to mean 'rapidly diminishing' rather than slow, researchers say, as the pace of change in the Arctic begins to outstrip their ability to understand what's happening

http://www.independent.co.uk/environmen ... 72821.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[PaulfromYorkshire]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... f-minister" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the-guardian-view-on-southern-rail-the-wrong-kind-of-minister

[AngryAsWell]

Toby Perkins MPVerified account
‏@tobyperkinsmp
I'm at Intl Trade Select Committee, the sound of pennies dropping about reality of WTO Trade terms amongst Tory Brexiteer members deafening.

[Tubby Isaacs]

What beyond "get a grip" or whatever are the Guardian suggesting Grayling do? I don't understand.

[citizenJA]

Toby Perkins MPVerified account
‏@tobyperkinsmp
I'm at Intl Trade Select Committee, the sound of pennies dropping about reality of WTO Trade terms amongst Tory Brexiteer members deafening.

Those are the same ones who think food grows in grocery stores and that by ordering material goods online people aren't
making, packaging or delivering the product turning up through the slot in the door. Some people don't think things through.

[SpinningHugo]

A very welcome change of heart

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/st ... -act-syria" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Good for her.

Compare Corbyn and his condemnation of attacks by "all sides."

[Tubby Isaacs]

Assad''s always been the main killer in Syria, hasn't he? She is right that stopping Assad could have helped Islamic State and that was my worry. But did it necessarily do that? I think it's hard to know what you're voting for really. You don't get a military plan or anything.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson 5h5 hours ago
Labour MP Ben Bradshaw tells the House of Commons it is "highly probable" Russia interfered in the UK's EU Referendum.

I think he needs to back this up sharpish. Q

[Tubby Isaacs]

Rumours that a few creditors might be moving against Kippers. That might settle a few Labour nerves.

[AngryAsWell]

Bipartisan Electors Ask James Clapper: Release Facts on Outside Interference in U.S. Election
Open Letter to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:

https://extranewsfeed.com/bipartisan-el ... .t6tcsogvg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could Trump seriously not be elected ?

[citizenJA]

Bipartisan Electors Ask James Clapper: Release Facts on Outside Interference in U.S. Election
Open Letter to Director of National Intelligence James Clapper:

https://extranewsfeed.com/bipartisan-el ... .t6tcsogvg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could Trump seriously not be elected ?

It's possible. It's unprecedented but so is Trump.

[PorFavor]

Rumours that a few creditors might be moving against Kippers. That might settle a few Labour nerves.

Nigel Farage needs to be implicated, somehow, or his distancing himself from the lowlifes (or whatever he called them) will be his saviour. His timing is interesting.

[AngryAsWell]

A lot of USA election on twitter tonight (most of which I don't understand the implications of)

Detroit’s voting irregularities spur state audit

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... /95358702/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[PorFavor]

Night night.

[citizenJA]

Night night.

Goodnight, PorFavor

[tinyclanger2]

Fake news could affect next UK election, warns Channel 4 executive
Marketing chief Dan Brooke urges UK government to ensure Facebook and Google tackle issue said to have affected US polls
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... -executive" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Call me a miserable old get, but I think it's a bit late for "could"

[tinyclanger2]

Am having track pad issues and you know what?

IT'S MAKING ME SEETHE

[Hobiejoe]

Fake news could affect next UK election, warns Channel 4 executive
Marketing chief Dan Brooke urges UK government to ensure Facebook and Google tackle issue said to have affected US polls
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... -executive" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Call me a miserable old get, but I think it's a bit late for "could"

Remind me, was this the same channel that brought us such gems of objectivity as Benefits Street?

[tinyclanger2]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 70481.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Philip Hammond challenges Cabinet colleagues to delay completing Brexit because of 'risks to financial stability'
The Chancellor says 'thoughtful politicians' on both sides of the Channel are pushing for an interim trade deal to cushion the impact - in a direct challenge to Cabinet hardliners

If it wasn't catastrophic it'd be farcical.

[HindleA]

Distinctly unimpressed Express seems to think being over 50 is old.

[tinyclanger2]

pah

[tinyclanger2]

whippersnapper

[HindleA]

I started counting down after 40.

[HindleA]

"Forever young"

[tinyclanger2]

"Forever young"

You will be if you keep that (counting down) up.