Saturday 7th & Sunday 8th January 2017

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 10:45 am

Impressive show of ignoring the NHS crisis by most of the Sunday "newspapers" this morning. And the really significant thing is, that's not even surprising.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 10:48 am

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3629346/2138088" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:04 am

Good morning and a Happy New Year to everyone.
I thought that some might find this an active and informative NHS related site. I would like to draw your attention to the interesting post on 6 Jan which begins,

'Dear politicians and press..'

https://www.facebook.com/robert.galloway.92?fref=nf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:13 am

Good morfternoon.

Q: What does your plan for a “shared society” mean?

May says this is about recognising there is a role for government.(Politics Live, Guardian)

Is that it?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:23 am

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Q: What does your plan for a “shared society” mean?

May says this is about recognising there is a role for government.(Politics Live, Guardian)
Is that it?

Chalk up another Mayism.

Shared society means shared society.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:25 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Impressive show of ignoring the NHS crisis by most of the Sunday "newspapers" this morning. And the really significant thing is, that's not even surprising.

http://newsthump.com/2017/01/08/nhs-att ... -sex-romp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Reports of chronic underfunding and overworked staff don’t fit in with the newspapers’ agenda,” the NHS explained.

“The only way to get their attention is by having your photo taken snorting cocaine off a prostitute before embarking on an all-night orgy of sex and drugs.”

:lol!:

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:38 am

martinson wrote:Good morning and a Happy New Year to everyone.
I thought that some might find this an active and informative NHS related site. I would like to draw your attention to the interesting post on 6 Jan which begins,

'Dear politicians and press..'

https://www.facebook.com/robert.galloway.92?fref=nf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He includes the usual explanation for increased demand:

We have an ageing population and higher expectations.

I found this the other day, it directly relates to primary care, but you could extrapolate from it that increased demand is a product of austerity. Deprivation leads to poor health.
https://abetternhs.net/2016/12/21/pover ... -patients/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Poverty medicine: General practice and vulnerable patients

The amount of vulnerability (chiefly due to deprivation) influences not just the amount of illness people suffer from, but the types of illnesses and the age at which they experience them. People in the most deprived communities suffer more disabling ill-health, more mental ill-health and more social ill-health (like loneliness which is more harmful than smoking or obesity) and do so 10-15 years earlier, than people in the least deprived communities.

Deprived communities have been the biggest losers of LA funding as well, so less social care. Perfect storm.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 11:52 am

There was a Taxpayers Alliance person on Sky News press preview last night who said something I agree with, shock horror, about the NHS crisis.
'We have this every year, why, why haven't the government sorted it?' or words to that effect.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:04 pm

We didn't have it every year when Labour were in power. Only fair that those of us critical of that administration in some respects point that out.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:08 pm

HindleA wrote:Patients urged to get a grip on Theresa May.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ter-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:11 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:21 pm

gilsey wrote:There was a Taxpayers Alliance person on Sky News press preview last night who said something I agree with, shock horror, about the NHS crisis.
'We have this every year, why, why haven't the government sorted it?' or words to that effect.

Turned it off, can't stand that snidely piece of work. She really is a horror, a young Pretty Patel.

Post by **refitman** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:43 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3629346/2138088

That's great. Could we have something indicating where the blind link goes? I don't like clicking on things where I don't know what I'm going to get.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:44 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -nhs-crisi

The Observer view on the crisis in the NHS
Observer editorial
The link don’t work
’Cause the vandals took the handles

So -

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... nhs-crisis

(cJA bold)
everyone can speak Dylan
cross-cultural phenomenon

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:53 pm

Senior Labour MPs have called on Jeremy Corbyn to back a new two-tier system of controls on EU migration

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two-tier system eh? One for the rich and one for the poor?
Nice one Labour!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:54 pm

refitman wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3629346/2138088
That's great. Could we have something indicating where the blind link goes? I don't like clicking on things where I don't know what I'm going to get.

Hear, hear

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:55 pm

My feelings Zoe
Zoe Gardner ‏@ZoeJardiniere 2h2 hours ago
Zoe Gardner Retweeted Migrant Voice
Again this comes down to, literally, free movement for the rich & privileged, quotas for the poor & less educated. Shame on these Labour MPs

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 12:59 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:We didn't have it every year when Labour were in power. Only fair that those of us critical of that administration in some respects point that out.

The Labour government here allocated an extra £50 million to the Welsh NHS this winter, up 10% from last year.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:04 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Senior Labour MPs have called on Jeremy Corbyn to back a new two-tier system of controls on EU migration

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two-tier system eh? One for the rich and one for the poor?
Nice one Labour!

I posted below the line on this one late last night. It was a rough go. Hard to figure anyone out down there. A barrage of snow
the moment the Guardian opens a thread. Disturbing stuff from posters only wanting to shut down legitimate commentary.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:06 pm

(Hunt for Hunt)
dsuoo
‏@das_uk
Public being asked to check their sheds and out houses

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:My feelings Zoe
Zoe Gardner ‏@ZoeJardiniere 2h2 hours ago
Zoe Gardner Retweeted Migrant Voice
Again this comes down to, literally, free movement for the rich & privileged, quotas for the poor & less educated. Shame on these Labour MPs

Yes, my feelings too. Strong feelings. I cannot emphasise enough how offensive I find anyone in Parliament bartering like this.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:10 pm

Dark chocolate covered Kendall's mint cake
yeah

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:12 pm

A family of London Muslims want to share a positive story about their experience when lost in Wales at Christmas.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... e-12419854" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:15 pm

yahyah wrote:A family of London Muslims want to share a positive story about their experience when lost in Wales at Christmas.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... e-12419854" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I love Wales.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:20 pm

Did anyone watch Sophie Ridge's show on Sky News ? An improvement on Marr's offering ? Not that that would be difficult.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:24 pm

citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:A family of London Muslims want to share a positive story about their experience when lost in Wales at Christmas.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... e-12419854" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I love Wales.

It rains a lot JA. Am sitting watching the rain wizzle down, confined to barracks as it is too wet to walk.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 1:51 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
gilsey wrote:There was a Taxpayers Alliance person on Sky News press preview last night who said something I agree with, shock horror, about the NHS crisis.
'We have this every year, why, why haven't the government sorted it?' or words to that effect.
Turned it off, can't stand that snidely piece of work. She really is a horror, a young Pretty Patel.

It was literally the first thing she said, I'd only put it on to see who was on, turned it off straight after.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:15 pm

Good to see Giselle posting at the Guardian.

She's as fed up with Kinnock as she is Corbyn. A gal after my own heart.

https://profile.theguardian.com/user/id/4394691?page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:17 pm

BBC headline news at 12, Queen goes to church.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:27 pm

http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/2017/01/pu ... zY.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Public sector employment under Labour, the Coalition and the current government

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:37 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... rism-fears" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Louvre blames 2 million fall in visitor numbers on terrorism fears

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:38 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ine-chapel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pope Francis encourages mothers to breastfeed in Sistine Chapel

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:40 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... women-deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Buddhist monk sets himself on fire in South Korea over 'comfort women' deal
Self-immolation by 64-year-old follows Japan’s angry reaction over a statue representing Korean sex slaves placed outside its consulate in Busan

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:41 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... wn-bowling" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Queensland man breaks world record for continuous lawn bowling
Shayne Barwick, having already broken the record, is pushing through the pain to reach his goal of 73 hours

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:43 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... basketball" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eight players ejected after brawl at Utah State-UNLV women's basketball game

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 2:59 pm

UK Election Statistics: 1918-2016

33 Labour years
59 Tory years
7 years Liberal years

Margaret Thatcher (Tory) 1979-1990
Tony Blair (Labour) 1997-2007
Winston Churchill (Tory) 1940-1945 & 1951-1955
Harold Wilson (Labour) 1964-1970 & 1974-1976
Stanley Baldwin (Tory) 1923, 1924-1929 & 1935-1937
Ramsay MacDonald (Labour) - 1951-1955 & 1924
Harold Macmillan (Tory) 1957-1963
John Major (Tory) 1990-1997
Clement Attlee (Labour) 1945-1951
David Cameron (Tory) 2010-2016
David Lloyd George (Liberal) 1916-1922
Edward Heath (Tory) 1970-1974
James Callaghan (Labour) 1976-1979
Neville Chamberlain (Tory) 1937-1940
Gordon Brown (Labour) 2007-2010
Anthony Eden (Tory) 1955-1957
Alec Douglas-Home (Tory) 1963-1964
Andrew Bonar Law (Tory) 1922-1923

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fifty Tory years too many

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:00 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... basketball

Eight players ejected after brawl at Utah State-UNLV women's basketball game

jeepers, there's a first

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:08 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38544525" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Giant wire spool rolls down Pennsylvania motorway

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:10 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38534238" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK household debt now a record £13,000, says TUC

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:10 pm

I was shocked to discover how many more Tory governments there have been in the last hundred years.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:11 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38541533" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Clothes-folding Laundroid robot readies for launch

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:17 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-38541533

Clothes-folding Laundroid robot readies for launch

Where it's destination?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:47 pm

Can someone check my maths, please? I'm taking the information I posted above from the same source and including the following:

House of Commons
BRIEFING PAPER
Number CBP7529, 7 July 2016
UK Election Statistics:
1918-2016

"Since 1918 there have been eleven Conservative governments, eleven
Labour governments, two national governments and two coalition
governments..."

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm not finding eleven Labour governments. Bear in mind it's going on four o'clock in the afternoon. The time I need tea,
baked goods and friendship lest I despair. I'm not at all sharp at this time of day. Thank you for your continued patience with me.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 3:48 pm

Sixty years of damned Tory government?!
And counting?!

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:09 pm

citizenJA wrote:Can someone check my maths, please? I'm taking the information I posted above from the same source and including the following:
House of Commons
BRIEFING PAPER
Number CBP7529, 7 July 2016
UK Election Statistics:
1918-2016

"Since 1918 there have been eleven Conservative governments, eleven
Labour governments, two national governments and two coalition
governments..."

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not finding eleven Labour governments. Bear in mind it's going on four o'clock in the afternoon. The time I need tea,
baked goods and friendship lest I despair. I'm not at all sharp at this time of day. Thank you for your continued patience with me.

They've got that wrong.

1st Labour gov: 1924
2nd: 1929 followed by National government (Ramsay MacDonald's reputation never recovered)
3rd: 1945-1951: Labour's finest government under Attlee. Labour polled more than the Tories in 1951 but somehow lost. However, Churchill's government didn't dismantle Labour's achievements
4th: 1964-1970: Outgoing Tory chancellor: 'Sorry to leave it in such a mess old cock'. Wilson held a GE in 1966
5th: 1974-1979: Wilson inherits clusterfuck from Heath. See a pattern emerging?
6th: 1997-2010: Blair becomes PM with NHS, schools and general infrastructure all severely undermined

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:17 pm

nickyinnorfolk wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Can someone check my maths, please? I'm taking the information I posted above from the same source and including the following:
House of Commons
BRIEFING PAPER
Number CBP7529, 7 July 2016
UK Election Statistics:
1918-2016

"Since 1918 there have been eleven Conservative governments, eleven
Labour governments, two national governments and two coalition
governments..."

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... y/CBP-7529" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm not finding eleven Labour governments. Bear in mind it's going on four o'clock in the afternoon. The time I need tea,
baked goods and friendship lest I despair. I'm not at all sharp at this time of day. Thank you for your continued patience with me.
They've got that wrong.

1st Labour gov: 1924
2nd: 1929 followed by National government (Ramsay MacDonald's reputation never recovered)
3rd: 1945-1951: Labour's finest government under Attlee. Labour polled more than the Tories in 1951 but somehow lost. However, Churchill's government didn't dismantle Labour's achievements
4th: 1964-1970: Outgoing Tory chancellor: 'Sorry to leave it in such a mess old cock'. Wilson held a GE in 1966
5th: 1974-1979: Wilson inherits clusterfuck from Heath. See a pattern emerging?
6th: 1997-2010: Blair becomes PM with NHS, schools and general infrastructure all severely undermined

They're counting Parliament's I think.

You actually measure government's by PM terms so there have been 8 Labour governments (eg 97-2010 was two).

Notice how many majorities capable of serving a full term Labour has won in last 50 years when not led by Blair.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:20 pm

Apparently May deliberately snubbed Andrew Marr for her first major interview of the new year. It's the first time since Marr's programme started in 2005 that the PM hasn't made his programme the venue for their new year interview. The reason is allegedly because the BBC are 'biased against Brexit'.

So off she popped to Uncle Rupert's Sky where she was evidently expecting kid glove treatment from Sophy Ridge. However I thought Ridge was a lot more challenging than Marr would have been, and May obviously didn't like it. Was there a bit of subtle sarcasm from Ridge when she thanked the chronically evasive May for an 'illuminating' interview? Notice how May just returned her thanks with silence and an icy glare ....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:30 pm

@nickyinnorfolk
Thank you for the clarification. I think the verbiage used in the report is confusing. I'll read it again when I'm fresher.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:39 pm

yahyah wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:We didn't have it every year when Labour were in power. Only fair that those of us critical of that administration in some respects point that out.
The Labour government here allocated an extra £50 million to the Welsh NHS this winter, up 10% from last year.

I don't understand why you get these "extra" payments, instead of a bigger whole amount being allocated upfront.

I guess facts change and you make sure you've got reserves.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 08 Jan, 2017 4:40 pm

Labour hasn't been returned to government because there's a lot of money to be made out of people and resources. Keeping a hold of power
is easier when it's in the hands of a few. Advertising and mainstream media aren't invested in for sport. Psychological manipulation is big business.
I refuse to lose heart entirely. Money, wealth and the power those confer aren't everything.