Thursday 12th January 2017
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Thursday 12th January 2017
Morning.
I found this interesting :-
Debate: should we be fighting for a universal basic income in Australia?
Is a universal basic income a solution to Australia’s growing inequality problem, or is it a utopian distraction that ignores suffering today?
I found this interesting :-
Debate: should we be fighting for a universal basic income in Australia?
Is a universal basic income a solution to Australia’s growing inequality problem, or is it a utopian distraction that ignores suffering today?
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New homes for rough sleepers pledge from Metro Mayor candidate
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Forthcoming book "Tales from the Crypt"
New homes for rough sleepers pledge from Metro Mayor candidate
Used to work in the Crypt Night Shelter under the Metropolitan Cathedral and at a hostel for the homeless there.
Forthcoming book "Tales from the Crypt"
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Morning all.
Twenty black alerts. Is May about to find out that a week is a long time in politics?
Twenty black alerts. Is May about to find out that a week is a long time in politics?
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@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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Damn, missed it, thanks for the info. Might try catch up.HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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Labour's problem
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/11/opin ... p=cur&_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(and no, it is not the obvious one)
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(and no, it is not the obvious one)
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This on Trump scandal best I've read
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Watched earlier, was pretty blatant.StephenDolan wrote:Damn, missed it, thanks for the info. Might try catch up.HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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If you mean the weird guy who talked too fast, told an implausibly convenient anecdote about his child who had been poorly at the weekend and insisted the reason A&Es were overwhelmed was because people didn't have apps to book out of hours doctor's appointments (because dialling 111 is too complicated, presumably) then I wouldn't exactly call it an advert. More "WTF was that?!"HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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I should add that I couldn't take much of the guy and turned off at that point. I assume he was allowed to get a proper plug in later on, but I didn't make it that far.
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Re: Thursday 12th January 2017
Morning all.
Dan Poulter on Newsnight talking about the need for more investment in the NHS.
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There are some in complete denial about this but they're the usual "Tories can do no wrong" shouty right winger types anyway.
Dan Poulter on Newsnight talking about the need for more investment in the NHS.
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There are some in complete denial about this but they're the usual "Tories can do no wrong" shouty right winger types anyway.
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Yep.
When you hear some saying that the NHS needs complete reform you kinda wonder whether they've forgotten what happened in the last 6 years...Dr Phil Hammond @drphilhammond 18m18 minutes ago
I'm in favour of more funding for the NHS, but it must be spent on frontline care that's proven to work, not reckless reform & marketization
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Combined Performance Summary
NHS England.
Combined Performance Summary
NHS England.
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Oh, this is sad news...
82 by the look of it so not a bad innings.Martin Kettle Verified account
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Death this morning of Anthony King, Essex professor, BBC psephologist, prolific writer, husband of Jan, most generous of friends. #tonyking
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When he gives that anecdote involving his own company's app, quotes the subscription fee then I'd consider it advertising.Willow904 wrote:If you mean the weird guy who talked too fast, told an implausibly convenient anecdote about his child who had been poorly at the weekend and insisted the reason A&Es were overwhelmed was because people didn't have apps to book out of hours doctor's appointments (because dialling 111 is too complicated, presumably) then I wouldn't exactly call it an advert. More "WTF was that?!"HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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In Nov, 88.4% of patients were admitted/transferred/discharged from A&E within 4hrs of arrival, 95% target last hit in July 2015
At end of Nov, 90.5% of patients on waiting list waiting less than 18 weeks, missing 92% target for the 9th month in a row
6,825 patients delayed at 12am on last Thurs of Nov - highest since data collection began in Aug 10, 8th month record in a row broken
There were 193,680 delayed days in Nov 16, compared to 153,155 in Nov 15, an increase of more than a quarter (26.4%) in a year
Thanks to Claire Miller on twitter,who has more.
At end of Nov, 90.5% of patients on waiting list waiting less than 18 weeks, missing 92% target for the 9th month in a row
6,825 patients delayed at 12am on last Thurs of Nov - highest since data collection began in Aug 10, 8th month record in a row broken
There were 193,680 delayed days in Nov 16, compared to 153,155 in Nov 15, an increase of more than a quarter (26.4%) in a year
Thanks to Claire Miller on twitter,who has more.
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End of November reiteration.
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Presumably it was the BBC's attempt at balance, they might think they're on a sticky wicket at the moment because of the perfect timing of the Hospital programme.HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
He was so far from being relevant to the issue Newsnight just looked ridiculous.
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Bad innings. Sticky wicket. Not a good day for cricket references
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Can't tell until both sides have batted.StephenDolan wrote:Bad innings. Sticky wicket. Not a good day for cricket references
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When the BBC discuss weather induced travel disruption or a natural disaster, how come they don't feature commentators with opposing viewpoints? You know, for balance.gilsey wrote:Presumably it was the BBC's attempt at balance, they might think they're on a sticky wicket at the moment because of the perfect timing of the Hospital programme.HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
He was so far from being relevant to the issue Newsnight just looked ridiculous.
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So the garbled rubbish about the app was the plug? I missed him quoting the subscription fee, too busy wondering who the nutter was! It did really stand out as wildly irrelevant as NHS England is citing high levels of genuine demand as the reason behind the crisis, not people who could see a GP turning up at A&E.StephenDolan wrote:When he gives that anecdote involving his own company's app, quotes the subscription fee then I'd consider it advertising.Willow904 wrote:If you mean the weird guy who talked too fast, told an implausibly convenient anecdote about his child who had been poorly at the weekend and insisted the reason A&Es were overwhelmed was because people didn't have apps to book out of hours doctor's appointments (because dialling 111 is too complicated, presumably) then I wouldn't exactly call it an advert. More "WTF was that?!"HindleA wrote:@SD
I didn't see it but apparently there was more or less an advert for Babylon on Newsnight last night
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More or less equal? Yesterday’s publication of the latest set of statistics on income inequality by the Office of National Statistics was hailed by many as showing that inequality was continuing to diminish (albeit slowly) as top incomes shrank while lower incomes grew.
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Lies, damned lies and statistics.for the purposes of illustrating the point, imagine that existing households saw no change in their income between 2014/15 and 2015/16 and that all of the new households had incomes falling within the income range of the second quintile of households in 2014/15. All quintiles must expand by the same amount as they are simply equal fifths of whatever the household population happens to be. When the 2015/16 household population is divided up into quintiles, each of which must contain 90,000 more households than in 2014/15, the income of the bottom quintile would increase because the 90,000 lowest earners in the previous second quintile would be displaced into the bottom quintile, increasing the average income there. At the other end of the scale, 90,000 more households must be allocated to the top quintile but as all of the new households have nowhere near that income, the top quintile can only increase in size by expanding to include households previously in the 4th quintile, thus reducing average top quintile income.
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Stephen Dorrell enters the fray. Theres a lot of people partial to this playing politics lark I see.
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That was *unt's line, wasn't it. He looked like an idiot too, making that argument.Willow904 wrote: not people who could see a GP turning up at A&E.
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Still remember him on the Beeb's results programme in 1997 - he was on top formRogerOThornhill wrote:Oh, this is sad news...
82 by the look of it so not a bad innings.Martin Kettle Verified account
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Death this morning of Anthony King, Essex professor, BBC psephologist, prolific writer, husband of Jan, most generous of friends. #tonyking
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I was told they're making a big play for a slice of 111 and gp money.Willow904 wrote:So the garbled rubbish about the app was the plug? I missed him quoting the subscription fee, too busy wondering who the nutter was! It did really stand out as wildly irrelevant as NHS England is citing high levels of genuine demand as the reason behind the crisis, not people who could see a GP turning up at A&E.StephenDolan wrote:When he gives that anecdote involving his own company's app, quotes the subscription fee then I'd consider it advertising.Willow904 wrote: If you mean the weird guy who talked too fast, told an implausibly convenient anecdote about his child who had been poorly at the weekend and insisted the reason A&Es were overwhelmed was because people didn't have apps to book out of hours doctor's appointments (because dialling 111 is too complicated, presumably) then I wouldn't exactly call it an advert. More "WTF was that?!"
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Link to article:HindleA wrote:Morning.
I found this interesting :-
Debate: should we be fighting for a universal basic income in Australia?
Is a universal basic income a solution to Australia’s growing inequality problem, or is it a utopian distraction that ignores suffering today?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -australia" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Finland are starting a 2 year pilot scheme on UBI:
http://theconversation.com/how-finland- ... ment-70955" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
There is also a small scale pilot from a private company in the USA, and this article provides some further thoughts from a US perspective:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/18/elon-mus ... -work.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
(Apologies for the site, it is very busy with lots of adverts/pictures)
The Green Party have a policy to cap rents which would go some way towards allaying Hugo’s concerns yesterday.
Re: Thursday 12th January 2017
Good morfternoon.
I'm completely at sea re the "Babylon" conversation. What's it all about, please?
I'm completely at sea re the "Babylon" conversation. What's it all about, please?
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Me tooPorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
I'm completely at sea re the "Babylon" conversation. What's it all about, please?
But stop me before I babble on.
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Babylon Health
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Stephen asked about them a couple of days ago.
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January 12, 2017
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UK, Greece and Turkey join Cyprus peace talks in Geneva
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UK, Greece and Turkey join Cyprus peace talks in Geneva
I lived in JFK Avenue
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Indeed I did and thanks.HindleA wrote:Stephen asked about them a couple of days ago.
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Good-afternoon, everyone.
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MSM doing a better job of highlighting the NHS problems than Labour at the moment
Sky Views: May weaponising NHS all by herself
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Sky Views: May weaponising NHS all by herself
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We are more equal (because we are all worse off)
We are more equal (because we are all worse off)
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Erm, really?AngryAsWell wrote:MSM doing a better job of highlighting the NHS problems than Labour at the moment
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Did we mention Jez's spokesman telling Estonia to get lost if Russia attacks it? Far away country, innit.
The Tories aren't even bothering trying to get rid of him. What does that tell you?
The Tories aren't even bothering trying to get rid of him. What does that tell you?
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Milne is Milne.
That doesn't have to stop one feeling uneasy about the all too obvious enthusiasm of some for war with Russia.
That doesn't have to stop one feeling uneasy about the all too obvious enthusiasm of some for war with Russia.
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Considering the NHS is Labours biggest "trust" factor in the public eye - yes. Corbyn did well yesterday, but they should be out shouting about NHS loudly and clearly everyday.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Erm, really?AngryAsWell wrote:MSM doing a better job of highlighting the NHS problems than Labour at the moment
Or maybe I've missed it.
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Mum who spent 12 hours in hospital corridor 'saw OAP waiting on trolley DIE in front of her'
"It was disgusting he should die on a trolley in the room in front of everyone - there is no dignity in that and for it to happen in front of everyone was just awful"
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"It was disgusting he should die on a trolley in the room in front of everyone - there is no dignity in that and for it to happen in front of everyone was just awful"
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It appears there will be no parliamentary debates on #SingleMarket #CustomsUnion #FreeMovement before A50 is triggered. This is unacceptable
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It appears there will be no parliamentary debates on #SingleMarket #CustomsUnion #FreeMovement before A50 is triggered. This is unacceptable
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Labour are constantly campaigning on the NHS - indeed some Blairite types actually attack them for doing so ("comfort zone" blah blah)
And this is an area where on the ground activism can have as much impact as media appearances.
And this is an area where on the ground activism can have as much impact as media appearances.
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Estonians are eager for war with Russia? Ukranians?AnatolyKasparov wrote:Milne is Milne.
That doesn't have to stop one feeling uneasy about the all too obvious enthusiasm of some for war with Russia.
Jez wouldn't commit to honouring NATO treaties in the leadership debate.
I hope the Eastern Europeans tell him to stick his "alternative Brexit" summit.
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Oh Christ.
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Once memorably (if rather cruelly) described by Edward Pearce as "the pass back to the goalie in human form". By all accounts a decent bloke, though.
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