Tuesday 24th January 2017

Post by **refitman** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 7:10 am

Morning all.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 7:30 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... an-for-may" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

supreme-court-brexit-ruling-what-the-verdict-could-mean-for-may

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 7:31 am

The government should win

https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2016 ... ment-lost/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 7:39 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... an-for-may

supreme-court-brexit-ruling-what-the-verdict-could-mean-for-may

Not a great piece.
'narrow defeat' is a defeat.

Narrow defeat is the spin that the government have already indicated they'll apply. To the supreme court verdict, not the actual referendum decision, naturally.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 7:59 am

NFU spokesman digging a large hole. Indicating that standards need lowering on food to have a level playing field. Tuck in, here's your plate of lowest common denominator!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 8:47 am

StephenDolan wrote:NFU spokesman digging a large hole. Indicating that standards need lowering on food to have a level playing field. Tuck in, here's your plate of lowest common denominator!

Yes, it's "Goodbye EU, Hello hormone-reared cattle and chlorine-drenched chickens!"

Taking back control I guess...letting in every bad practice from wherever.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:14 am

https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB?ref_src ... r%5Eauthor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It needs a big zoom up, but check out the words about Boris Johnson on the placard in this pic from outside the Court.
Not sure if it is real or for comedic effect

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:17 am

I think we may be able to watch the Supreme Court live

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:19 am

The judgement in full will appear on here soon after it's handed down.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:27 am

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:28 am

I've put the kettle on.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:33 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

It is like going to the pictures - they're always later than advertised too...

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:33 am

Frothy mcFrothface already made an appearance on gmtv I see.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:35 am

they're on

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:39 am

Government loses yet another court case.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:39 am

Cannot trigger

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:39 am

Still to come the devolved institutions

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:40 am

Good morfternoon.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:41 am

8-3.

Mrs May, your boys took one hell of a beating.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:42 am

Government is not required to consult the devolved institutions.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:42 am

Oh - they seem to have gone further.

Any change resulting from the Referendum must go to Parliament. Not just Article 50.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:43 am

SpinningHugo wrote:The government should win

https://spinninghugo.wordpress.com/2016 ... ment-lost/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oops!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:45 am

Jeremy Wright. Was wrong.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:46 am

David Allen Green ‏@Law_and_policy now8 seconds ago

Had Theresa May just got on with Brexit after High Court defeat, she would have an A50 Act by now.

Only herself to blame, by appealing.

Yep.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:47 am

I'm sure the BBC will be rushing off to get Nigel Farage's (non-minister with non-portfolio and non-everything, really) opinions.

Edited - typo

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:51 am

Btw I though the judgement was, regardless of the outcome, excellent. Clear. Free of jargon.

Well done the Supreme Court.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:57 am

PorFavor wrote:Government is not required to consult the devolved institutions.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 9:59 am

yahyah wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Government is not required to consult the devolved institutions.

Because although they are devolved entities, they still send MPs to Parliament and therefore the UK acts as one?

If only we had a legal mind around who could set us right on such things we are unclear about...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:03 am

StephenDolan wrote:8-3.

Mrs May, your boys took one hell of a beating.

My husband's just given me the context to that using a Norwegian accent

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:04 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
yahyah wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Government is not required to consult the devolved institutions.

Because although they are devolved entities, they still send MPs to Parliament and therefore the UK acts as one?

If only we had a legal mind around who could set us right on such things we are unclear about...

I've come round a bit, the rest of the judgement is good news.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:06 am

yahyah wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:8-3.

Mrs May, your boys took one hell of a beating.
My husband's just given me the context to that using a Norwegian accent

Never pass up the opportunity to make a football reference

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:06 am

yahyah wrote:
I've come round a bit, the rest of the judgement is good news.

In a non-partisan, yes it is. For Labour, I think they might have preferred if the government won and then wouldn't have had to decide one way or another whether to back A50 or not.

From Chris Cook.

Chris Cook ‏@xtophercook 8m8 minutes ago

May is a pretty lucky general; *she* lost a high profile Supreme Court case, the effect is going to be gruesome for Labour.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:08 am

I wonder if Hugo would like to comment on the precise wording of Lucas's Tweet. My emphasis.

Caroline Lucas ‏@CarolineLucas 36m36 minutes ago
Caroline Lucas Retweeted Colin Yeo
A win for democracy, and a blow for the Govt. Now down to @UKLabour to join with those of us opposing triggering Article 50 prematurely.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:09 am

Labour don't have to worry too much. They will do as they have said and table amendments. Let's see what happens.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:11 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Labour don't have to worry too much. They will do as they have said and table amendments. Let's see what happens.

Yes. Customs union at a minimum please. With whatever is required to compromise on that.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:12 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:
yahyah wrote:
I've come round a bit, the rest of the judgement is good news.
In a non-partisan, yes it is. For Labour, I think they might have preferred if the government won and then wouldn't have had to decide one way or another whether to back A50 or not.

From Chris Cook.

Chris Cook ‏@xtophercook 8m8 minutes ago

May is a pretty lucky general; *she* lost a high profile Supreme Court case, the effect is going to be gruesome for Labour.

Yes. I was thinking about it from a Remainer point of view not from Labour's.
Any Labour leader would be in a nasty pickle now, even a really effective one. Am cutting Corbyn a little more slack at the moment - providing he sorts out where he was actually born

.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:16 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I wonder if Hugo would like to comment on the precise wording of Lucas's Tweet. My emphasis.

Caroline Lucas ‏@CarolineLucas 36m36 minutes ago
Caroline Lucas Retweeted Colin Yeo
A win for democracy, and a blow for the Govt. Now down to @UKLabour to join with those of us opposing triggering Article 50 prematurely.

That's always been her point, as far as I understood it, Labour's 'premature capitulation' as she called it.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:18 am

Well done Gina Miller.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:19 am

yahyah wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
yahyah wrote:
I've come round a bit, the rest of the judgement is good news.
In a non-partisan, yes it is. For Labour, I think they might have preferred if the government won and then wouldn't have had to decide one way or another whether to back A50 or not.

From Chris Cook.

Chris Cook ‏@xtophercook 8m8 minutes ago

May is a pretty lucky general; *she* lost a high profile Supreme Court case, the effect is going to be gruesome for Labour.
Yes. I was thinking about it from a Remainer point of view not from Labour's.
Any Labour leader would be in a nasty pickle now, even a really effective one. Am cutting Corbyn a little more slack at the moment - providing he sorts out where he was actually born .

He's not a Midlander...we're bronzed Adonises with brains the size of a planet

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:21 am

These, from one of Labour's Brexit team seems to set out their position.

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Matthew Pennycook MP ‏@mtpennycook 35m35 minutes ago

1) That a detailed Government plan for Brexit is published before Article 50 is triggered, along with robust impact assessments.

i.e. that speech that May gave is not a "detailed Government plan" no matter of she thinks she's done it already.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:24 am

frightful_oik wrote:
yahyah wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: In a non-partisan, yes it is. For Labour, I think they might have preferred if the government won and then wouldn't have had to decide one way or another whether to back A50 or not.

From Chris Cook.

Yes. I was thinking about it from a Remainer point of view not from Labour's.
Any Labour leader would be in a nasty pickle now, even a really effective one. Am cutting Corbyn a little more slack at the moment - providing he sorts out where he was actually born .
He's not a Midlander...we're bronzed Adonises with brains the size of a planet

We want a pic to prove that please.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:26 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:These, from one of Labour's Brexit team seems to set out their position.

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Matthew Pennycook MP ‏@mtpennycook 35m35 minutes ago

1) That a detailed Government plan for Brexit is published before Article 50 is triggered, along with robust impact assessments.
i.e. that speech that May gave is not a "detailed Government plan" no matter of she thinks she's done it already.

I like the call for robust impact assessments. How can that be strongly argued against? May's March deadline is self-imposed and arbitrary.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:31 am

StephenDolan wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:These, from one of Labour's Brexit team seems to set out their position.

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incl.

Matthew Pennycook MP ‏@mtpennycook 35m35 minutes ago

1) That a detailed Government plan for Brexit is published before Article 50 is triggered, along with robust impact assessments.
i.e. that speech that May gave is not a "detailed Government plan" no matter of she thinks she's done it already.
I like the call for robust impact assessments. How can that be strongly argued against? May's March deadline is self-imposed and arbitrary.

Yes this seems sensible.

Now the Supreme Court has said the thing has to go to Parliament, it's hard for anyone to say that the opposition parties are enemies of the people for asking reasonable questions about plans. It becomes their job and duty rather than political opportunism.

Good luck to them I hope they get it more or less right!

Post by **adam** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:37 am

it's hard for anyone to say that the opposition parties are enemies of the people for asking reasonable questions about plans. It becomes their job and duty rather than political opportunism.

That isn't going to stop the conservative leadership, the press and UKIP doing nothing but that. I expect a politically opportunistic invective-filled campaign given a free run by the press in the two by-elections, especially Stoke, which will be about Labour's treachery and nothing else.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:39 am

I see that the DM is being all calm and reasonable about the result...

"What do we want?"
"Hand back control to British courts!"
"When do we want it?"
"Er...not now.."

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:43 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:I see that the DM is being all calm and reasonable about the result...

"What do we want?"
"Hand back control to British courts!"
"When do we want it?"
"Er...not now.."

Remainers. Yes, *they're* the gloaters!

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:45 am

adam wrote:
it's hard for anyone to say that the opposition parties are enemies of the people for asking reasonable questions about plans. It becomes their job and duty rather than political opportunism.
That isn't going to stop the conservative leadership, the press and UKIP doing nothing but that. I expect a politically opportunistic invective-filled campaign given a free run by the press in the two by-elections, especially Stoke, which will be about Labour's treachery and nothing else.

True!

But the people who Remain need to listen will listen. I do think even in the Trump era that the average bod will understand that if two courts have said something should be referred to Parliament it probably should be.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:47 am

https://goodlawproject.org/news-item/gi ... ts-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Gina Miller Case and Its Impacts on Brexit

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 10:49 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... ulism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did centrism beget populism

Mainlymacro

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 24 Jan, 2017 11:00 am

The state of this...

Spiked people are becoming more unhinged as they go along - the fact that the Freedom Association approves says it all.