Saturday 28th & Sunday 29th January 2017

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 7:19 am

Morning. Thought I'd open the weekend thread while the porridge simmers.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 7:46 am

Morning all.

'Labour’s deputy leader will say it is time to reject the “sneering derision from much of Britain’s commentariat and chattering classes” and make the case for supporting British producers by buying more goods and services domestically.'

FFS.

This is 'the plan' from Watson?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:27 am

StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

'Labour’s deputy leader will say it is time to reject the “sneering derision from much of Britain’s commentariat and chattering classes” and make the case for supporting British producers by buying more goods and services domestically.'

FFS.

This is 'the plan' from Watson?

Does he mean "domestically produced" or is he calling upon people to stop making unnecessary journeys to places like Utrecht to buy the odd box of teabags?

Edited to add -

Ah - I've just read it again. He does mean "domestically produced" I infer.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:29 am

Wait until he actually delivers the speech. He may not mean what he says. Corbyn said one thing and actually meant another earlier in the week.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:37 am

Is it just me, or is it Labour's new policy to find as many ways to insult, deride and dismiss remain voters as they can?

Is this "populism"? To team up with Tories and Ukip to attack people who are outward looking and pro-European? To put down young people who want to study and work abroad, who are worried about jobs and their own futures as selfish, complacent liberal elites?

I'm all for building bridges, leave and remain voters need to learn to understand each other better, but I want Labour to support remaining in the single market. Siding with leave voters and putting their views above remain voters and generally undermining remain voters as somehow wrong, will not persuade leave voters that remaining in the single market is the key to our future prosperity. Rather it re-enforces their sense of being right, and those who want to be part of Europe as being wrong, surely?

Remain voters aren't all "elites". Wanting to stay in the EU is a normal thing to want. Just as remain voters need to remember all leave voters aren't the same (the large majority of them aren't Labour voters for a start) Labour politicians need to remember not all remain voters are the same either. A lot of them are young people, mourning lost opportunities. We are not the enemy ffs. Do they have any idea how this is coming across?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:39 am

Labour List trail it as Watson delivering an 'upbeat' message and seeking to move Labour on from the Article 50 turmoil.
Good luck with that. ''How we can learn to love Brexit'' like the other <insert icon stephen dolan used>

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:40 am

Morning

Maybe vitamin deficiency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... et-of-corn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:41 am

HindleA wrote:Morning

Maybe vitamin deficiency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... et-of-corn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Or maybe just another sign of the impending zombie apocalypse.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:46 am

HindleA wrote:Morning

Maybe vitamin deficiency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... et-of-corn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I love you HA.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:48 am

It's awful though - the headline sounds like a spoof, but the story behind it is sad.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:50 am

yahyah wrote:Wait until he actually delivers the speech. He may not mean what he says. Corbyn said one thing and actually meant another earlier in the week.

Possibly. I'm sure there's an inclusive way of saying “sneering derision from much of Britain’s commentariat and chattering classes”

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:52 am

https://labourlist.org/2017/01/tom-wats ... nce-again/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Isolationism, protectionism, nationalism.

This appear to be what Tom Watson is peddling.

I may have misunderstood, but Labour currently appears to be going all out for the Ukip/hard Brexit vote which, tbf, Theresa May has already got pretty well covered.

The Libdems will be stoked.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 9:56 am

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/j ... t-obituary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

John Hurt obituary

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:09 am

Daily Record headline gets it right:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38781808

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:10 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... g-reaction" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

US refugee ban: Trump decried for 'stomping on' American values

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:13 am

Australian Open: Serena Williams beats sister Venus for record 23rd slam title (Guardian)

Serena Williams stabs sister in the back.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... slam-title

Eric_WLothian · Post by **Eric_WLothian** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:26 am

Bloody Brexit - holidays in Europe likely to be more difficult/expensive and now the alternative's been delayed:

Plans for legislation to enable the development of the UK's first commercial spaceports have been delayed by Brexit, BBC Scotland understands.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38768483

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:43 am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... ting-order" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Australia's refugee deal in jeopardy after Trump's 'extreme vetting' order
Human rights officials say Malcolm Turnbull must immediately outline a plan for those imprisoned on Manus Island and Nauru

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:55 am

Never mind Corbyn, hands up who voted for Watson in 2015 and now regrets it?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:58 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Never mind Corbyn, hands up who voted for Watson in 2015 and now regret it?

Not me.

Edited to add - didn't vote for him, just to be clear.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 10:59 am

Me neither. There are some on here who did, though!

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:01 am

HindleA wrote:Morning

Maybe vitamin deficiency.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... et-of-corn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You learn something new every day, I had no idea hamsters lived wild in Europe.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:06 am

From Tom Watson
"He will also set out how he believes Britain should respond to Donald Trump’s repeated demands to put “America first”, particularly in trading relationships, which the US president is due to discuss with Theresa May this weekend."

Why do people not understand that "America First" is not just a economic slogan, but a movement of the Alt-Right - just as Britain First is over here.

Labour is broken isn't it ?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:09 am

Willow904 wrote:https://labourlist.org/2017/01/tom-wats ... nce-again/

Isolationism, protectionism, nationalism.

This appear to be what Tom Watson is peddling.

I may have misunderstood, but Labour currently appears to be going all out for the Ukip/hard Brexit vote such, tbf, Theresa May has already got pretty well covered.

The Libdems will be stoked.

We're uncomfortably dependent on high value exports in professional services. Let's hope the customers of those don't decide to buy at home instead.

It might help inequality though. Quite a few of these folk earn a lot of money. It would save having to cap their pay, like Jez said, because they're not as worthy as footballers.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:10 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Never mind Corbyn, hands up who voted for Watson in 2015 and now regrets it?

Not me, I didn't vote for either of them.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:13 am

One of the Watson pitches that won people over 18 months ago was his pledge to promote and develop digital democracy.

Has anything - at all - happened on this since then?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:13 am

Eric_WLothian wrote:Bloody Brexit - holidays in Europe likely to be more difficult/expensive and now the alternative's been delayed:

Plans for legislation to enable the development of the UK's first commercial spaceports have been delayed by Brexit, BBC Scotland understands.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38768483

You don't sound too amazed.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:13 am

AngryAsWell wrote:
Labour is broken isn't it ?

Certainly is & I'm not sure if it can ever be repaired tbh

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:14 am

pk1 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
Labour is broken isn't it ?
Certainly is & I'm not sure if it can ever be repaired tbh

It can be.

Whether it will be is another question.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:16 am

Morning all. Off soon so won't be around for long but I did notice this from late 2015. Oh dear...

Governor Mike Pence Verified account
‏@GovPenceIN

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.

The perils of using Twitter...so much can come back and bite...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:18 am

Owen Smith on R4 now

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:20 am

I never understood the popularity of either Corbyn or Watson.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:21 am

AngryAsWell wrote:Owen Smith on R4 now

He's really broken cover of late, hasn't he?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:21 am

Trita ParsiVerified account
‏@tparsi

Confirmed: Iran's Asghar Farhadi won't be let into the US to attend Oscar's. He's nominated for best foreign language film...
#MuslimBan

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:21 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all. Off soon so won't be around for long but I did notice this from late 2015. Oh dear...

Governor Mike Pence Verified account
‏@GovPenceIN

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.
The perils of using Twitter...so much can come back and bite...

I'm quite relieved to see that, because in the event that the men in the white coats do come for Trump, he's next in line.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:21 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all. Off soon so won't be around for long but I did notice this from late 2015. Oh dear...

Governor Mike Pence Verified account
‏@GovPenceIN

Calls to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. are offensive and unconstitutional.
The perils of using Twitter...so much can come back and bite...

Donald Trump is going to spend his entire Presidency in court, isn't he?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:23 am

EU Flag Mafia
‏@EUflagmafia

Churchill (trumps idol) with a pro EU message outside the BRITISH EMBASSY in Washington. #MayheminDC #maytrump Seen by 10,000's #Remain

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EU Flag Mafia have been driving round Washington with an EU flag van whilst Mayham has been over there

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:30 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:One of the Watson pitches that won people over 18 months ago was his pledge to promote and develop digital democracy.

Has anything - at all - happened on this since then?

I remember it well - only for the mid-spelling though. Pointed it out to him but got no response. I would be mortified if that was me but ho hum....

Edit to change photo so it doesn't skew the page

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:33 am

@pk1

I missed that one (or at least I don't remember it). I feel cheated.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:36 am

Did anything transpire from the top pledge in that list, come to that?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:38 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... -countries" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Donald Trump refugee ban: 'arrivals from targeted countries stopped at US airports' – live

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:46 am

PorFavor wrote:@pk1

I missed that one (or at least I don't remember it). I feel cheated.

Truly have no idea how that made it into print ! How embarrassing.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:46 am

Labour turning the UK into a one-party state. Tories must be laughing their heads off.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:49 am

Am, let's say, "disappointed" to discover that having a different view from a bigoted idiot renders me "sneering".

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:52 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Labour turning the UK into a one-party state. Tories must be laughing their heads off.

And I have no doubt where the *primary* blame for that lies - with those who would rather destroy Labour than not have themselves in charge of it.

Well, there is at least a chance now they will get just that - "be careful what you wish for" was rarely more apposite.

(and let's forget Corbyn here, it started with Ed if not even earlier)

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:56 am

The democratic process over Brexit “didn’t start and end on 23 June last year”, Alexander said.

“The debate about the referendum casts people like me as democracy deniers when I would argue the opposite is the case,” she argued.

“When you have the Conservative manifesto claiming that they would ‘safeguard British interests in the single market’, when the words single market didn’t even appear on the ballot paper, and the debate which preceded the vote was so misleading, I don’t feel democracy has been very well served.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... plnews_d-2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:56 am

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Did anything transpire from the top pledge in that list, come to that?

His speech today, maybe?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:58 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Am, let's say, "disappointed" to discover that having a different view from a bigoted idiot renders me "sneering".

LET'S FACE IT YOU'RE JUST 'KIN' SNEERIN'

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 11:59 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Am, let's say, "disappointed" to discover that having a different view from a bigoted idiot renders me "sneering".

They have no idea how this is coming across, do they?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 28 Jan, 2017 12:02 pm

Google urging staff travelling abroad to get back home to USA asap