Saturday 4th & Sunday 5th February 2017

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:16 pm

Did the umpire tell the bees to buzz off ?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:16 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Temulkar wrote:If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pi ... hed/18/08/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.

It's a perfectly sound article, it's all very true. The frustrating thing is that Ed Miliband already made a much better run at standing up to the press and the corporations and the wealthy elite, the opportunity to change things was there in 2015 but rejected by the public. I don't understand why anyone thinks Corbyn is somehow more honest and decent than Ed and why they think he can succeed where Ed failed, coming from a much lower base and coming across as much less competent in interviews and far less impressive in speeches than Ed. I seriously suspect the wider voting public see him as in the exact same mould as Ed but even less personable and able. I don't dispute the magnitude of the difficulties Labour is up against in the face of an overwhelmingly hostile press, but that reality doesn't change the fact that everytime I heard Ed Miliband speak I was inspired and hopeful and every time I hear Corbyn speak I cringe and shake my head in disbelief. If Corbyn isn't saying the things a confirmed leftie like me wants to hear, when he is speaking direct rather than filtered by the media (such as after the referendum campaign) that is a problem you can't blame on the press. Everyone used to say Ed Miliband was far more impressive than they expected when they heard him give a speech etc or in debates. I'm not convinced this is the case with Corbyn. He tends to confirm rather than defy his press image when speaking directly.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:17 pm

Checks self,nah still the same.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:20 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-net ... d-teaching" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Secret Teacher: My 'outstanding' school felt like a results factory

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:22 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
Temulkar wrote:If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pi ... hed/18/08/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.
It's a perfectly sound article, it's all very true. The frustrating thing is that Ed Miliband already made a much better run at standing up to the press and the corporations and the wealthy elite, the opportunity to change things was there in 2015 but rejected by the public. I don't understand why anyone thinks Corbyn is somehow more honest and decent than Ed and why they think he can succeed where Ed failed, coming from a much lower base and coming across as much less competent in interviews and far less impressive in speeches than Ed. I seriously suspect the wider voting public see him as in the exact same mould as Ed but even less personable and able. I don't dispute the magnitude of the difficulties Labour is up against in the face of an overwhelmingly hostile press, but that reality doesn't change the fact that everytime I heard Ed Miliband speak I was inspired and hopeful and every time I hear Corbyn speak I cringe and shake my head in disbelief. If Corbyn isn't saying the things a confirmed leftie like me wants to hear, when he is speaking direct rather than filtered by the media (such as after the referendum campaign) that is a problem you can't blame on the press. Everyone used to say Ed Miliband was far more impressive than they expected when they heard him give a speech etc or in debates. I'm not convinced this is the case with Corbyn. He tends to confirm rather than defy his press image when speaking directly.

There can be another leadership contest this summer. Who do you hope will stand?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:25 pm

Tory government are bad news without relief. Tory's 'Brexit' threaten lives, livelihoods and peaceful citizenship. Tory government are failing most people and the UK. I'm unhappy with our Labour party MPs' current work on 'Brexit'. They're not providing coherent messages and aren't adequately opposing abject Tory government failure. My membership in the Labour party will continue because all is not lost. There's still a lot of good in Labour. I can disagree and be unhappy and continue working within Labour for the good of us all. Most of good politics isn't heroic. I've lionised great Labour achievements like council housing and the NHS. As if those were sprung fully formed out of Attlee and Bevan! They weren't. Lots of people created those and continue to create now (or not, it's a Tory government at the moment). Works in progress, all the best of social security provisions, made up of one day following another in solidarity with each other even if you don't like your colleagues much.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:28 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Alex AndreouVerified account
‏@sturdyAlex

I thought this was a joke. But it's not. Genuine story in The Sun. The xenophobic angle to... well... bad weather.

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Alex Andreou ‏@sturdyAlex 5h

- I hate you. I'm leaving the salad club.
- Ok.

(Beat)

- Can I have some salad?
- No.
- GIVE ME SALAD.
- No.
- I'M ENTITLED.
- You're not.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:34 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... mb-threats" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jewish community centers in US receive nearly 50 bomb threats in 2017 so far

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:35 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/ ... view-books" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Neil Gaiman: ‘I like being British. Even when I’m ashamed, I’m fascinated

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:36 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... -candidate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump's army secretary nominee Vincent Viola withdraws as candidate

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:36 pm

Just vote Labour where it's realistically possible to return that Labour MP and we'll all work it out. It's sincerely the best advice I can give someone.

Of course, there's Scotland and the SNP. I love Scotland, I understand their relationship with Labour is fraught, perhaps more than in other countries or regions of the UK. Ask yourselves: What is best for the whole? It could well be SNP is better off representing us all. I can't ask someone to do what may be like the sacrifice of their community. I'm still working on this.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:50 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Alex AndreouVerified account
‏@sturdyAlex

I thought this was a joke. But it's not. Genuine story in The Sun. The xenophobic angle to... well... bad weather.

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I chortled at this one -

Hannah ‏@hanyaLC1 4h

@ProfMike_M @pyramisec @sturdyAlex This is why I voted Romaine (credit @marcogiannini78)
0 replies . 1 retweet 20 likes

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:51 pm

Good morfternoon.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:53 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Alex AndreouVerified account
‏@sturdyAlex

I thought this was a joke. But it's not. Genuine story in The Sun. The xenophobic angle to... well... bad weather.

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I chortled at this one -

Hannah ‏@hanyaLC1 4h

@ProfMike_M @pyramisec @sturdyAlex This is why I voted Romaine (credit @marcogiannini78)
0 replies . 1 retweet 20 likes

It's a great thread - but yes that's very funny - well spotted

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 2:56 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.
It's a perfectly sound article, it's all very true. The frustrating thing is that Ed Miliband already made a much better run at standing up to the press and the corporations and the wealthy elite, the opportunity to change things was there in 2015 but rejected by the public. I don't understand why anyone thinks Corbyn is somehow more honest and decent than Ed and why they think he can succeed where Ed failed, coming from a much lower base and coming across as much less competent in interviews and far less impressive in speeches than Ed. I seriously suspect the wider voting public see him as in the exact same mould as Ed but even less personable and able. I don't dispute the magnitude of the difficulties Labour is up against in the face of an overwhelmingly hostile press, but that reality doesn't change the fact that everytime I heard Ed Miliband speak I was inspired and hopeful and every time I hear Corbyn speak I cringe and shake my head in disbelief. If Corbyn isn't saying the things a confirmed leftie like me wants to hear, when he is speaking direct rather than filtered by the media (such as after the referendum campaign) that is a problem you can't blame on the press. Everyone used to say Ed Miliband was far more impressive than they expected when they heard him give a speech etc or in debates. I'm not convinced this is the case with Corbyn. He tends to confirm rather than defy his press image when speaking directly.
There can be another leadership contest this summer. Who do you hope will stand?

Ed Miliband?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:06 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour promises 'Crossrail for the north' to create 850,000 jobs

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:08 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ubs&wpmm=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost taxpayers $97,830 in hotel bills

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:15 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
Temulkar wrote:If you think Jeremy Corbyn is a clown or a total waste of skin, it could be too late for you – you’ve already been brainwashed by a handful of foreign billionaires.

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/tle-pi ... hed/18/08/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.
It's a perfectly sound article, it's all very true. The frustrating thing is that Ed Miliband already made a much better run at standing up to the press and the corporations and the wealthy elite, the opportunity to change things was there in 2015 but rejected by the public. I don't understand why anyone thinks Corbyn is somehow more honest and decent than Ed and why they think he can succeed where Ed failed, coming from a much lower base and coming across as much less competent in interviews and far less impressive in speeches than Ed. I seriously suspect the wider voting public see him as in the exact same mould as Ed but even less personable and able. I don't dispute the magnitude of the difficulties Labour is up against in the face of an overwhelmingly hostile press, but that reality doesn't change the fact that everytime I heard Ed Miliband speak I was inspired and hopeful and every time I hear Corbyn speak I cringe and shake my head in disbelief. If Corbyn isn't saying the things a confirmed leftie like me wants to hear, when he is speaking direct rather than filtered by the media (such as after the referendum campaign) that is a problem you can't blame on the press. Everyone used to say Ed Miliband was far more impressive than they expected when they heard him give a speech etc or in debates. I'm not convinced this is the case with Corbyn. He tends to confirm rather than defy his press image when speaking directly.

Corbyn would be wise to read this from you, Willow904. Corbyn doesn't seem pragmatic, he doesn't change when circumstances call for change, he's not practical. I don't understand his strategy. It's not a evil thing, political strategy. He knows that, right? I don't think he does.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:18 pm

HindleA wrote:Checks self,nah still the same.

You're wonderful.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:22 pm

Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:There can be another leadership contest this summer. Who do you hope will stand?
Ed Miliband?

(cJA edit)

Yes, but it's a lot to ask of him and it may not be wise, I genuinely don't know. I wonder if people regret not returning a Labour government last GE? Anyone know of a study or something reputable?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:24 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Ed Miliband?
(cJA edit)

Yes, but it's a lot to ask of him and it may not be wise, I genuinely don't know. I wonder if people regret not returning a Labour government last GE? Anyone know of a study or something reputable?

I reckon most people find it very hard to admit they were wrong.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:26 pm

Cja I am a cult of one,for which I sincerely apologise.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:28 pm

Hindsight/restricted choices.if it was "right" at the time...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:36 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-in-stoke" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 62506.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Who to believe ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:41 pm

My own eyes and ears and even then it is open to interpretation.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:42 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: Nobody brain washed me. I didn't want him, didn't vote for him, and still don't want him.
He's dragged the Labour party to the pits. I'm clinging on by my finger tips to my membership for one reason and one reason only.
To vote him out after we lose the next election.
It's a perfectly sound article, it's all very true. The frustrating thing is that Ed Miliband already made a much better run at standing up to the press and the corporations and the wealthy elite, the opportunity to change things was there in 2015 but rejected by the public. I don't understand why anyone thinks Corbyn is somehow more honest and decent than Ed and why they think he can succeed where Ed failed, coming from a much lower base and coming across as much less competent in interviews and far less impressive in speeches than Ed. I seriously suspect the wider voting public see him as in the exact same mould as Ed but even less personable and able. I don't dispute the magnitude of the difficulties Labour is up against in the face of an overwhelmingly hostile press, but that reality doesn't change the fact that everytime I heard Ed Miliband speak I was inspired and hopeful and every time I hear Corbyn speak I cringe and shake my head in disbelief. If Corbyn isn't saying the things a confirmed leftie like me wants to hear, when he is speaking direct rather than filtered by the media (such as after the referendum campaign) that is a problem you can't blame on the press. Everyone used to say Ed Miliband was far more impressive than they expected when they heard him give a speech etc or in debates. I'm not convinced this is the case with Corbyn. He tends to confirm rather than defy his press image when speaking directly.
Corbyn would be wise to read this from you, Willow904. Corbyn doesn't seem pragmatic, he doesn't change when circumstances call for change, he's not practical. I don't understand his strategy. It's not a evil thing, political strategy. He knows that, right? I don't think he does.

He is about as good at political strategy as you would expect a man in his mid 60s who has spent his parliamentary career on the fringes of his party never getting any previous experience of leadership roles to be. In other words, not very.

The question is whether things turning out as they have was inevitable, or could at least to some extent have been avoided. At the risk of appearing a "cheery optimist" yet again (thanks SH) I think the latter is true. And JC's opponents bear some responsibility for that not transpiring, as well as the man himself and his acolytes.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:49 pm

Anyone listening to Tunes from the Trash - Recycled Orchestra of Paraguay on R4? Incredible

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088fch9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:56 pm

AngryAsWell@

You mentioned you were thinking of doing an OU course.
Did you know about Yale University's free online courses ?
I've started one on Dante in Translation, wanting to get to grips with The Divine Comedy before I pop my clogs.

You need to click 'department' to get to see the second list of courses.

http://oyc.yale.edu/courses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 3:59 pm

yahyah wrote:AngryAsWell@

You mentioned you were thinking of doing an OU course.
Did you know about Yale University's free online courses ?
I've started one on Dante in Translation, wanting to get to grips with The Divine Comedy before I pop my clogs.

You need to click 'department' to get to see the second list of courses.

http://oyc.yale.edu/courses" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks I'll check it out

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 4:04 pm

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tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 4:26 pm

gilsey wrote:I was going to watch some cricket from South Africa on TV, but bees stopped play.

Sticky Wicket?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 5:13 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:He is about as good at political strategy as you would expect a man in his mid 60s who has spent his parliamentary career on the fringes of his party never getting any previous experience of leadership roles to be. In other words, not very.

The question is whether things turning out as they have was inevitable, or could at least to some extent have been avoided. At the risk of appearing a "cheery optimist" yet again (thanks SH) I think the latter is true. And JC's opponents bear some responsibility for that not transpiring, as well as the man himself and his acolytes.
Absolutely. As has Ed Miliband for attempting to reach an accommodation with the previous regime's placement on the NEC and in the party staff rather than rooting them out. Getting elected was not the only thing he failed at. But we are where we are.

(cJA edit)

Yes.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 5:17 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... are_btn_tw

Labour promises 'Crossrail for the north' to create 850,000 jobs

Funny slogans. It's neither an HS line nor a Crossrail. Though I think Osborne started calling it HS3.

I'm very suspicious of this approach where you work back from the presumption that London gets too much money and then say "we'll built X in the North to make it fairer". Different areas have different needs. You can look at eg Liverpool and argue that it's getting too much money for Merseyrail. Where's my upgrade and new trains in Swansea, Peterlee, Camborne etc?

It's an improvement to see specific projects being talked about, but do we want to be promising stuff when nobody's done detailed investment appraisal? We need to get more money into poorer areas, but capital investment might not always be the best way.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:02 pm

Ed Miliband ‏@Ed_Miliband 1h1 hour ago

Ed Miliband Retweeted Donald J. Trump
That was the problem with George W. Bush. He appointed so many left-wing judges.

I do miss him... sigh

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:24 pm

As for Trump today:

He's only dismantling bank regulation, while saying - on camera - "my friends who have nice businesses can't borrow".

The level of people's stupidity is beyond anything I ever imagined was possible.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:41 pm

It’s Europe’s turn to fill the global power vacuum

https://www.ft.com/content/74903c98-f9e ... 64710891dc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:44 pm

Alberto Gallo
‏@macrocredit
We now have a Divided Kingdom outside of a European Union

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Why would Johnson re-tweet this? Is he getting cold feet?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:44 pm

Apprenticeship training for nurses
If it weren't a Tory government idea, I wouldn't be horrified
First year apprenticeship wage £3.40 per hour

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:51 pm

NonOxCol wrote:As for Trump today:

He's only dismantling bank regulation, while saying - on camera - "my friends who have nice businesses can't borrow".

The level of people's stupidity is beyond anything I ever imagined was possible.

Going to get worse. At least the bank regulations are a general thing. Wait till the crony payouts start.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:52 pm

citizenJA wrote:Apprenticeship training for nurses
If it weren't a Tory government idea, I wouldn't be horrified
First year apprenticeship wage £3.40 per hour

More of this coming with the minimum wage going up to £9.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:54 pm

Macron enjoins uneasy US scientists: 'Move to France'
French presidential candidate calls on those alarmed by Donald Trump’s rhetoric to relocate to the ‘new land of innovation’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -to-france" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wonder how the British science exodus is doing. Not a question of which foot we should shoot ourselves in; we already shot ourselves in the head.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:56 pm

Hello all!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 6:57 pm

In other news:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/f ... ght-gotham" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
LEGO BATMAN: I WANT TO SEE THIS

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:03 pm

Sarah O'ConnorVerified account
‏@sarahoconnor_
Brexit hasn't happened yet, but the UK food industry is already starting to feel the effects...

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Farms shutting as they can't get workers.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:06 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
Macron enjoins uneasy US scientists: 'Move to France'
French presidential candidate calls on those alarmed by Donald Trump’s rhetoric to relocate to the ‘new land of innovation’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -to-france" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wonder how the British science exodus is doing. Not a question of which foot we should shoot ourselves in; we already shot ourselves in the head.

Posted earlier about a professor who's been here 20 year and just been refused permanent residency.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:09 pm

Remain In EU
‏@remain_eu
Britain could slash environmental and safety standards 'a very long way' after Brexit, Tory MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says http://crwd.fr/2k6Q8Dl" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:09 pm

NonOxCol wrote:As for Trump today:

He's only dismantling bank regulation, while saying - on camera - "my friends who have nice businesses can't borrow".

The level of people's stupidity is beyond anything I ever imagined was possible.

I posted this yesterday - it might be of interest here (to amplify your post).

Trump orders review that could relax Dodd-Frank bank rules

Mr Trump made it a campaign pledge to repeal and replace the Dodd-Frank act, which also created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

This US government agency seeks to make sure banks, lenders, and other financial companies treat US consumers fairly.

Dodd-Frank, named after the Congressmen who campaigned for the legislation, was introduced to rein in banks' risky practices by banks and other financial companies. (BBC News website)

Edited - to tidy up

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:12 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
citizenJA wrote:Apprenticeship training for nurses
If it weren't a Tory government idea, I wouldn't be horrified
First year apprenticeship wage £3.40 per hour
More of this coming with the minimum wage going up to £9.

Forecast for the year 2020
itty-bitty amounts of money

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:13 pm

I wonder how PaulfromYorkshire's 'bus ride, and tribute band evening went yesterday.

(His name doesn't appear in the credits at the moment - otherwise, I'd ask him. It just popped into my head to wonder about it.)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 04 Feb, 2017 7:15 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Hello all!

howdy