Monday 13th February 2017

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 7:01 am

Morning all.

Just been reading

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-ways-powe ... underdogs/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plenty of good stuff in there that this link monkey recommends reading and thinking on.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 7:59 am

Morning.

Just read last night's posts, the link to the Kipper tweet led to an unavailable page.
Is this the one ?

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:01 am

& thanks Eric and PF - the cinema memories were lovely.
There's a lot that we share.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:17 am

The Greens have issued a report on Brexit and environmental legislation.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... on-says-mp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:24 am

Good morfternoon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:34 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... am-us-fail" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lake Oroville: 130,000 told to evacuate as part of tallest dam in US 'set to fail'

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:46 am

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ing-affair" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cheating Frenchman sues Uber for unmasking affair

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:49 am

Pensioner incomes have now soared above those of people of working age, that remain grounded.

http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/app ... ra-gen.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Get rid of the triple lock.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:49 am

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... households" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Working households" now £20 a week worse off than pensioners.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:51 am

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xt-message" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"David Davies apologies for being David Davies"

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 8:57 am

So, not content with ending freedom of movement within the EU, now Labour wants to end freedom of movement within the UK

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 64956.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let us hope this remains a 'nascent idea'.

Watson is useless.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:04 am

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... for-buyers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

For sale: Co-op Bank looks for buyers

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:08 am

Excellent piece (in my view) by Zoe Williams.

Of course it will not be read by those people that should read and digest but I am glad that someone in that now discredited "profession" has the guts to stand up to those with fascist tendencies.

All credit to Gary Lineker by the way.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:10 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38949539" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Theresa May accused of 'switching her language' over Irish border

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:11 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38931580" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:13 am

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/live ... today-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Suffocating planet: urban air pollution around the world today – live

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:16 am

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/ ... are-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hidden carers: the sixty-somethings looking after parents and grandchildren

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:18 am

Just to counter the myth.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:23 am

Morning all.

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38931580

Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos

I heard the piece on that on Today before I rose.

I remember the days when all Sodexho did was to supply our catering at work...the insidious takeover of public services by these companies is appalling - back door privatization calling itself "public sector reform". And no, I don't care who started or who continued it. I want it stopped.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:31 am

Eric and PF are a couple?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:32 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

HindleA wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38931580

Undercover Panorama report reveals prison chaos
I heard the piece on that on Today before I rose.

I remember the days when all Sodexho did was to supply our catering at work...the insidious takeover of public services by these companies is appalling - back door privatization calling itself "public sector reform". And no, I don't care who started or who continued it. I want it stopped.

Yes. I remember when I signed up for voluntary work for the local hospital. Turned out it was expected that I provide free labour for the privatised cleaning outfit.

Edited to tidy up

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:36 am

HindleA wrote:Eric and PF are a couple?

Were. Were. It's over now. Think Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie . . .

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:39 am

At least yahyah has gone back to using words,rather than Morse Code.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:40 am

I am learning various codes to help with the GCHQ puzzle book questions.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:44 am

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:46 am

BBC Essex Verified account
‏@BBCEssex

"It needs to happen this week." MP for Rochford and Southend East @JamesDuddridge calls for vote of no confidence in John Bercow "very soon"

It's been pointed out below that parliament is in recess this week...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:48 am

Taylor and Burton.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 9:48 am

Sad to see Angry's post last night.
Will miss you x

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:14 am

Oh dear...

Freddie Whittaker ‏@FCDWhittaker 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: @CommonsEd finds government is "yet to prove the case for opening a new wave of grammar schools". Story to follow.

Nick Timothy has his work cut out to get this going I'd say...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:14 am

https://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2017 ... asury.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Kerslake Review of the Treasury

Mainlymacro

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:17 am

And here's the report.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... hed-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

At the evidence hearing, the Schools Minister suggested a tutor-proof test is a 'holy grail'. The Education Committee recommends that if this is the case selection tests should not be the only basis for grammar school admissions. The Committee finds that the Government has yet to demonstrate how an admissions system could be designed in a manner which would be immune to gaming, or down to the ability to pay.

Yes, there's one thing that people know about said object...it has yet to be found.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:30 am

yahyah wrote:Sad to see Angry's post last night.
Will miss you x

Yes, a shame. I expect they will be back soon.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:56 am

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... each-other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

£115,000 raised for children of couple who died of cancer
Luke, 21, Hannah, 18, and Oliver Bennet, 13, ‘overwhelmed’ by support from donors after parents died within hours of each other last week

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:00 am

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... naomi-long" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Northern Ireland power sharing: Brokenshire accused of being biased

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:21 am

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1571866 ... ss-stopped" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour Press
It’s about time Justice Secretary Truss stopped mud-slinging and took responsibility - Richard Burgon

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:32 am

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/putt ... l-boycotts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Press release
Putting a stop to town hall boycotts

Further steps to prevent councils from boycotting companies and countries if it's against the government’s position

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:39 am

Yougov poll shows what we know already.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/vo ... labour-24/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What I found interesting was how Leave/Remain voters split.

If only REMAINERS voted ryou get Lab 35, Con 29, LD 19; if only LEAVERS voted Con 51, UKIP 29, Lab 11.

Shows how Cons are dependent on Remain voters for their high figure. whereas Labour aren't as dependent upon their small cohort of Leavers.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:51 am

SpinningHugo wrote:Yougov poll shows what we know already.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/vo ... labour-24/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What I found interesting was how Leave/Remain voters split.

If only REMAINERS voted ryou get Lab 35, Con 29, LD 19; if only LEAVERS voted Con 51, UKIP 29, Lab 11.

Shows how Cons are dependent on Remain voters for their high figure. whereas Labour aren't as dependent upon their small cohort of Leavers.

That's a lot of Remain Tory voters. When the wheels come off there'll be one helluva Blue Battle Royale.

BTW, Bruce Medallion?

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:55 am

StephenDolan wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Yougov poll shows what we know already.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/vo ... labour-24/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What I found interesting was how Leave/Remain voters split.

If only REMAINERS voted ryou get Lab 35, Con 29, LD 19; if only LEAVERS voted Con 51, UKIP 29, Lab 11.

Shows how Cons are dependent on Remain voters for their high figure. whereas Labour aren't as dependent upon their small cohort of Leavers.
That's a lot of Remain Tory voters. When the wheels come off there'll be one helluva Blue Battle Royale.

the Ukips figure looks high to me (14%). One reason I think Labour is very safe in Stoke (but not Copeland) is the collapse of Ukips. i expect that to get worse. That should shield the Tories for a while at least.

but yes, once the consequences of brexit become apparent, the Tories will pay a price and Labour will recover. I can't see the tories maintaining a 15 point average poll lead all the way through to 2020/

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:01 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/social-care ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Home Office is lying about capacity to care for child refugees
Andy Elvin

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:11 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... hild-abuse" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stephen Hawking-style tech helped convict ex-vicar of child abuse
Former choirboy with motor neurone disease was able to testify against his assailant by using eye-tracking equipment

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:13 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:Yougov poll shows what we know already.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/vo ... labour-24/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What I found interesting was how Leave/Remain voters split.

If only REMAINERS voted ryou get Lab 35, Con 29, LD 19; if only LEAVERS voted Con 51, UKIP 29, Lab 11.

Shows how Cons are dependent on Remain voters for their high figure. whereas Labour aren't as dependent upon their small cohort of Leavers.
That's a lot of Remain Tory voters. When the wheels come off there'll be one helluva Blue Battle Royale.

the Ukips figure looks high to me (14%). One reason I think Labour is very safe in Stoke (but not Copeland) is the collapse of Ukips. i expect that to get worse. That should shield the Tories for a while at least.

but yes, once the consequences of brexit become apparent, the Tories will pay a price and Labour will recover. I can't see the tories maintaining a 15 point average poll lead all the way through to 2020/

I guess it comes down to when the becomes apparent happens to a) the Conservative MPs, b) the political media and c) the voting population.

My hunch is the outrage will be focused on the enemy EU not giving us the deal we wanted. By we, I mean May of course.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:24 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -in-the-eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Britons living in the EU face Brexit backlash, leaked paper warns
Exclusive: UK government’s treatment of EU nationals may colour EU27’s approach to reciprocal rights, says document

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:32 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
StephenDolan wrote: That's a lot of Remain Tory voters. When the wheels come off there'll be one helluva Blue Battle Royale.

the Ukips figure looks high to me (14%). One reason I think Labour is very safe in Stoke (but not Copeland) is the collapse of Ukips. i expect that to get worse. That should shield the Tories for a while at least.

but yes, once the consequences of brexit become apparent, the Tories will pay a price and Labour will recover. I can't see the tories maintaining a 15 point average poll lead all the way through to 2020/
I guess it comes down to when the becomes apparent happens to a) the Conservative MPs, b) the political media and c) the voting population.

My hunch is the outrage will be focused on the enemy EU not giving us the deal we wanted. By we, I mean May of course.

That may very likely be true of the media, its the other two groups who are more up for grabs however......

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 1:35 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 75061.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Department for Work and Pensions has been accused of taking a “cavalier attitude” to closing 78 local jobcentres across the country after it emerged it had not even conducted an impact assessment of the policy.

Where we are people already have to travel 10 miles to the nearest jobcentre, £7.00 return. Our local jobcentre was closed many years ago. Fewer people unemployed obviously means fewer people using each jobcentre but a) they are still going to be living all over, rather than conveniently clustered around jobcentres and b) things change, a few months of recession and demand could go right back up again. This policy clearly reveals a lack of commitment to the provision of unemployment benefit going forward and as such is very worrying.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 1:46 pm

After the previous round of jobcentre closures, people were allowed to sign on "electronically" in certain areas if they lived some way away.

But that also seems to have been done away with now.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 2:08 pm

Labour safe in Stoke

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/el ... lose-stoke" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

worth a bet at 10/11

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... ning-party" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 2:12 pm

To add to the above, the claims that the Tories are running a paper campaign in Stoke are not entirely backed by accounts on the ground there.

(indeed, there are claims they have not totally given up on second place)

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 2:28 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:To add to the above, the claims that the Tories are running a paper campaign in Stoke are not entirely backed by accounts on the ground there.

(indeed, there are claims they have not totally given up on second place)

Yes I read the same. Tories can take comfort from any of the outcomes.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 13 Feb, 2017 2:56 pm

Hello.

Further to Roger's post from last night re Tim Loughton/Ken Loach, the MP actually managed to get worse:

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"Ken Loach uses a BAFTA platform to lambast Govt for stuff that is nothing to do with his film"