That would've been a brilliant referendum question. Given what question did get asked and the results of that, the value of a pointless referendum question can't be underestimated.Willow904 wrote:There is the danger with a further referendum that people will vote with as little applied thought as they did the first time, but at least they will be voting for something rather than not for something, if you get my drift.yahyah wrote:Lord Butler of Brockwell, a former Cabinet Secretary and crossbencher, has told the Lords the public should get a vote on the final Brexit deal.
Well done that man. He seems to be able to distinguish between a 're-run of June 23rd's vote' and a vote on the final Brexit deal. Not that difficult, but as Willow said the other day about something related, you have to be inclined to it.
The last EU referendum was like asking people if they wanted to give up FPTP or not, with no concrete indication of what it would be replaced with, just a lot of waffle about how you could have PR or you could have AV or you could an electoral college system like the States or, you know, anything you like really, we'll just make that bit up once we've had the referendum.....
Tuesday 21st February 2017
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Sounds like Lord Livermore deserves a round of applause too.
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Brutal for UKIP, there's something positive to look forward to, for a change.AnatolyKasparov wrote: The elections in England this May (county councils mostly, plus a few unitaries) could still be brutal, of course, but for UKIP more than Labour (who generally, as you indicated, performed a tad underwhelmingly) It was the big kipper breakthrough nationwide, so they have a fair bit to lose. And its not impossible they could end up losing most of it, and ending up on the margins again (outside Essex, Kent and Lincs anyway)
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, no - not in England anyway (which was the large majority of them) Those were, of course, defended last year with only minimal losses for Labour overall.SpinningHugo wrote: May local elections could be a bit brutal though. Aren't those the ones last contested in 2012? Labour was well ahead then, as it should be 2 years into a Parliament as opposition. The years after this should be easier for Corbyn as Labour then fell away quite quickly.
There are local elections in both Scotland and Wales which were last fought then, having said that. Of the former the less said the better (though Labour's epoch making collapse since then can't really be blamed on Corbyn - even by the likes of you - and having those elections by STV will lessen the scale of the cull anyway) Wales could be interesting though, if you are looking for genuine Labour weakness (or not, possibly)
The elections in England this May (county councils mostly, plus a few unitaries) could still be brutal, of course, but for UKIP more than Labour (who generally, as you indicated, performed a tad underwhelmingly) It was the big kipper breakthrough nationwide, so they have a fair bit to lose. And its not impossible they could end up losing most of it, and ending up on the margins again (outside Essex, Kent and Lincs anyway)
Which is/are the comparable years? 2013, when the Miliband decline started?
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Have we already had this?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham
To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham
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Don't forget the 6 new metro mayors to be elected in May as well. Though obviously there are no previous elections to compare to, they could still shed some light on the state of play for the various parties.
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Cambridgeshire and Peterborough
Greater Manchester
Liverpool City Region
Tees Valley
West Midlands
West of England
I've been busy googling as I'm finding it hard to remember some of them are happening. Only Manchester and Liverpool have attracted much attention thus far.
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Cambridgeshire and Peterborough
Greater Manchester
Liverpool City Region
Tees Valley
West Midlands
West of England
I've been busy googling as I'm finding it hard to remember some of them are happening. Only Manchester and Liverpool have attracted much attention thus far.
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Headline:
"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"
Actual quote:
"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... hing-every" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"
Actual quote:
"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)
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I've read various accounts of Peter Mandelson's words (in quotes, to boot). They all differ slightly - but you're right - he (PM) does opine that he's (JC) not a maniac.pk1 wrote:Headline:
"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"
Actual quote:
"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)
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My jaw dropped when I saw the headline. Thought 'I know Mandy is somewhat of a law unto himself but surely he wouldn't say that' and was quite relieved to see that no, he didn't say it at allPorFavor wrote:I've read various accounts of Peter Mandelson's words (in quotes, to boot). They all differ slightly - but you're right - he (PM) does opine that he's (JC) not a maniac.pk1 wrote:Headline:
"Lord Mandelson: I do something every day to unseat 'maniac' Jeremy Corbyn"
Actual quote:
"According to the International Business Times, Lord Mandelson said: "The problem with Jeremy is not that he is a sort of maniac – it's not as though he is a nasty person." (my emphasis)
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/po ... hing-every" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Tory government are dusting off Edward3's Statute of Labourers 1351PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham
Successful negotiations, Brothers/Sisters!
Protein in a bowl of gruel!
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Black Death, anyone?citizenJA wrote:Tory government are dusting off Edward3's Statute of Labourers 1351PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham
Successful negotiations, Brothers/Sisters!
Protein in a bowl of gruel!
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A Distant Mirror: The Calamitous 14th Century
Barbara W. Tuchman
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I'm re-reading it now
Barbara W. Tuchman
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There's a really annoying ad (on TV) in which the woman is on about Bladderley Cunderwear. Which I can only assume is a village in the Cotswolds.
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Competing visions: security of tenure and the welfarisation of English social housing
Competing visions: security of tenure and the welfarisation of English social housing
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The effect of a transition into poverty on child and maternal mental health: a longitudinal analysis of the UK Millennium Cohort Study
The effect of a transition into poverty on child and maternal mental health: a longitudinal analysis of the UK Millennium Cohort Study
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Draft of first Trump budget would cut legal aid for millions of poor Americans
Draft proposes elimination of Legal Services Corporation, which provides free legal assistance to low-income people, victims of domestic violence and others
Draft of first Trump budget would cut legal aid for millions of poor Americans
Draft proposes elimination of Legal Services Corporation, which provides free legal assistance to low-income people, victims of domestic violence and others
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Iceland's president forced to clarify views on pineapple pizza ban
Iceland's president forced to clarify views on pineapple pizza ban
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Emmanuel Macron vows aggressive fight against far right on UK visit
Centrist candidate for French presidency says he will learn from mistakes of Hillary Clinton and UK’s remain campaign
Emmanuel Macron vows aggressive fight against far right on UK visit
Centrist candidate for French presidency says he will learn from mistakes of Hillary Clinton and UK’s remain campaign
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Labour Press
Liz Truss is fast becoming the Secretary of State for prison escapes - Burgon
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Liz Truss is fast becoming the Secretary of State for prison escapes - Burgon
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Labour Press
Sarah Champion commenting on the Government’s failure to act on cross-party recommendations to reduce the gender pay gap
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Labour Press
Sarah Champion commenting on the Government’s failure to act on cross-party recommendations to reduce the gender pay gap
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Ah. That will be the "values" Theresa May thinks we share with Trump's America, I presume.HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... um=twitter
Draft of first Trump budget would cut legal aid for millions of poor Americans
Draft proposes elimination of Legal Services Corporation, which provides free legal assistance to low-income people, victims of domestic violence and others
What a sad world we are.
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DWP Select Committee
Universal Credit rollout: inquiry re-launched
Following compelling evidence of the problems in the rollout of Universal Credit in its recent follow ups the Committee has re-launched its inquiry and is now accepting written submissions
They've fucked off.
DWP Select Committee
Universal Credit rollout: inquiry re-launched
Following compelling evidence of the problems in the rollout of Universal Credit in its recent follow ups the Committee has re-launched its inquiry and is now accepting written submissions
They've fucked off.
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Get Freud back in to spend another half hour on how googlespex? and eyeball movements would transform the system.
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The link below - it's good because it's formatted clearly on one page - Universal Credit isn't functional, it's a failure, people lives are at stake.HindleA wrote:http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... nch-16-17/
DWP Select Committee
Universal Credit rollout: inquiry re-launched
Following compelling evidence of the problems in the rollout of Universal Credit in its recent follow ups the Committee has re-launched its inquiry and is now accepting written submissions
They've fucked off.
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In lots of areas, the foreigners are basically farm workers. Now they tell us they're essential?PorFavor wrote:Have we already had this?
To get as spitting mad as I am, I think you have to read the whole article. There's no stand-out bit of awful to highlight. Unless you count stupid Andrea Leadsom. But the whole thing is apoplexy inducing.Farmers deliver stark warning over access to EU seasonal workers
NFU president says food will ‘rot in the fields’ unless government guarantees access to workforce
(Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... birmingham
They'd better stay. But the two in the cafe, they must be bad.
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Centrelink's outsourced debt collection accused of claiming to be Aus. Gov.
Centrelink's outsourced debt collection accused of claiming to be Aus. Gov.
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Still no attempt to address housing poverty
Still no attempt to address housing poverty
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UK Local Elections 2013
Conservatives 25% Lost 335 councilors and lost control of 10 councils
Labour 29% Gained 291 councilors and gained control of 3 councils
LibDem 14% Lost 124 councilors
UKIP 22% Gained 139 councilors
9 Councils went to NOC
Conservatives 25% Lost 335 councilors and lost control of 10 councils
Labour 29% Gained 291 councilors and gained control of 3 councils
LibDem 14% Lost 124 councilors
UKIP 22% Gained 139 councilors
9 Councils went to NOC
I still believe in a town called Hope
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Goodnight, everyone.
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Don’t blame GPs for NHS crisis. Blame chronic cuts to social care
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Brexit threatens social care jobs and funding
Leaving the EU could make social care recruitment harder, working conditions worse and funding sparser – services for vulnerable people will suffer most
Brexit threatens social care jobs and funding
Leaving the EU could make social care recruitment harder, working conditions worse and funding sparser – services for vulnerable people will suffer most
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Policy paper
Explanatory note on business rates pilots 2017 to 2018
Outlines arrangements/what income streams pilot areas forego in return.
Policy paper
Explanatory note on business rates pilots 2017 to 2018
Outlines arrangements/what income streams pilot areas forego in return.
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Government spending billions on free schools while existing schools crumble
National Audit Office says £6.7bn is needed to bring current school buildings up to standard while ministers have pledged to build 500 free schools by 2020
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See below
Government spending billions on free schools while existing schools crumble
National Audit Office says £6.7bn is needed to bring current school buildings up to standard while ministers have pledged to build 500 free schools by 2020
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This is what Toady was tweeting about earlier...
Unfilled spaces and £30m land deals – NAO takes aim at free schools
http://schoolsweek.co.uk/unfilled-space ... ee-schools
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Unfilled spaces and £30m land deals – NAO takes aim at free schools
http://schoolsweek.co.uk/unfilled-space ... ee-schools
and Toby's comment?The National Audit Office found that 57,500 of 113,500 new places in mainstream free schools opening between 2015 and 2021 will create ‘spare capacity’ in the immediate areas of some of the institutions.
Of those free schools which opened in 2015, 52 could have a “moderate or high impact” on the funding of any of 282 neighbouring schools, the report says.
The watchdog is also warning that a scarcity of land for new free schools is pushing the capital spend on some institutions into the tens of millions of pounds – with four sites costing more than £30 million each.
He really is a shifty little git - the usual comparison is to add Good or Outstanding. When you do this the numbers don't look so favourable - 84% for FS vs 89% for all.“They are the most cost effective way to create the 750,000 new school places we need between now and 2025. They are also more popular with parents and more likely to be rated ‘outstanding’ by Ofsted than any other type of school.”
Edit - apologies - should have refreshed the screen!
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Wasn't sure if you were still about.
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Only just - school early in the morning so I'd better log off.HindleA wrote: Wasn't sure if you were still about.
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Goodnight
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Disabled children in England 'finding it increasingly hard to access council care'
Disabled children in England 'finding it increasingly hard to access council care'
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Supreme Court to rule on foreign spouse income limit
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Supreme Court to rule on foreign spouse income limit
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Trump administration widens net for immigrant deportation
Trump administration widens net for immigrant deportation
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Cracking story: French artist to entomb himself in rock for a week, then use body to hatch eggs
Cracking story: French artist to entomb himself in rock for a week, then use body to hatch eggs