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John Major attacks government over approach to Brexit

Former PM calls for ‘a little more charm, and a lot less cheap rhetoric’ and says public have been given unrealistic expectations (Guardian)

AngryAsWell wrote:Re the Lords voting

Lindsay Northover
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@Rosiecat2 @annetteashley61 @HayteratLords That is right. Labour is opposing our staying in the Single Market. Astonishing. Appalling.

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Rees Mogg - 'it was a craven and defeatist speech from a bitter man' - Peace reigns in the Tory movement tonight....

AngryAsWell wrote:Faisal Islam
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Lords just voted down Peter Hain's attempt to amend the Article 50 Bill to keep UK in Single Market: 299 to 136 - Labour voted with Govt

StephenDolan wrote:A fast and dirty question.

For each of the shadow cabinet, what mark out ten would you give them?

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AngryAsWell wrote:Faisal Islam
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Lords just voted down Peter Hain's attempt to amend the Article 50 Bill to keep UK in Single Market: 299 to 136 - Labour voted with Govt

So "the will of the people" to exit the EU won over "the will of the people" who elected a government that said it would keep us in the single market.

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I am impressed with @halfon4harlowMP for speaking at #saveouradulteducation launch. He said must vanquish snobbery towards lifelong learning

AngryAsWell wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Re the Lords voting

Lindsay Northover
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@Rosiecat2 @annetteashley61 @HayteratLords That is right. Labour is opposing our staying in the Single Market. Astonishing. Appalling.

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Shas Sheehan‏ @sheehanshas 4m4 minutes ago
Good grief! An unedifying sight, watching labour peers troop thru the lobby with Tories on a motion moved by one of their own @PeterHain

RogerOThornhill wrote:Meanwhile...

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Rees Mogg - 'it was a craven and defeatist speech from a bitter man' - Peace reigns in the Tory movement tonight....

presumably about K.Clarke.

And Farage is trying to get UKIP's only MP sacked...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... ell-thrown

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I am impressed with @halfon4harlowMP for speaking at #saveouradulteducation launch. He said must vanquish snobbery towards lifelong learning

If there is any, I can't say I encountered any - quite the opposite. Made so many friends amongst fellow PhD students who are nearly all half my age or younger.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I was assuming the plan to blame Blair was going to be the sort of thing they could pull back from if it wasn't coming out right.

Turns out the Shadow Chancellor had committed an article to print, which would come out 3 days after and even derail good news if the seat had been held.

AngryAsWell wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:Meanwhile...

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Rees Mogg - 'it was a craven and defeatist speech from a bitter man' - Peace reigns in the Tory movement tonight....

presumably about K.Clarke.

And Farage is trying to get UKIP's only MP sacked...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02 ... ell-thrown

Or John Major's
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I'd recommend reading full John Major speech on Brexit. Very interesting, and robust at times, eg here on listening to the 48%

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pk1 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Re the Lords voting

Lindsay Northover
‏Verified account @LPNorthover

@Rosiecat2 @annetteashley61 @HayteratLords That is right. Labour is opposing our staying in the Single Market. Astonishing. Appalling.

Teresa Crawford Retweeted
Shas Sheehan‏ @sheehanshas 4m4 minutes ago
Good grief! An unedifying sight, watching labour peers troop thru the lobby with Tories on a motion moved by one of their own @PeterHain

Voting against their own amendment ? FFS !

(Good to see you )

TechnicalEphemera wrote:The refusal to support this amendment is beyond my understanding. Can somebody remind me when the fight is supposed to start ( I thought it was a week or so ago, but clearly I was previous). To be fair of all the things I thought Corbyn would do colluding with the Tory party wasn't one of them.

Major also spoke out in defence of remain campaigners and MPs, who have been criticised and accused of trying to thwart “the will of the people” for voicing their doubts about the consequences of Brexit.

“Freedom of speech is absolute in our country,” he said. “It’s not arrogant or brazen or elitist, or remotely delusional to express concern about our future after Brexit. Nor, by doing so, is this group undermining the will of the people; they are the people. Shouting down their legitimate comment is against all our traditions of tolerance. It does nothing to inform and everything to demean – and it is time it stopped.”

HindleA wrote:Sorry got diverted,horrified by Shami and utterations about car ownership,that I haven't got one nor will ever get one is irrelevant,the fiend must be stopped as opposed to the Government's deliberate lies about the sick/disabled and removal of the ability to have a modicum of independence,I have to prioritise what I am offended by.How dare she say I haven't got a car when I haven't got one,despicable

citizenJA wrote:

TechnicalEphemera wrote:The refusal to support this amendment is beyond my understanding. Can somebody remind me when the fight is supposed to start ( I thought it was a week or so ago, but clearly I was previous). To be fair of all the things I thought Corbyn would do colluding with the Tory party wasn't one of them.

(cJA edit)

I'm as astounded as you are. I've no idea what they're thinking. None.

TechnicalEphemera wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I was assuming the plan to blame Blair was going to be the sort of thing they could pull back from if it wasn't coming out right.

Turns out the Shadow Chancellor had committed an article to print, which would come out 3 days after and even derail good news if the seat had been held.

It is a joke isn't it. If there is any serious plan from Corbyn post Copeland to stop the bleeding then sacking that useless fool would be a great place to start and a strong signal to send.

I have no idea what these jokers hope to achieve other than to run and hide in a bunker while Labour gets wiped out in most of the country. Copeland demands a response and a recovery plan, but what we get is some bleating about conspiracy, a refusal to face the music in front of the MPs and some muttering about policy meetings.

AngryAsWell wrote:John Walmsley
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@bbclaurak Hey Laura, any idea why @Aaron_Banks got suspended from @Twitter?

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Iain Duncan Smith, a Eurosceptic Conservative MP, said: “Theresa understands that if you want to take control you have to command the high ground.

pk1 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:John Walmsley
‏ @JohnLWalmsley
@bbclaurak Hey Laura, any idea why @Aaron_Banks got suspended from @Twitter?

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If it's the UKIP guy he's talking about, that's the wrong twitter ID

Banks is on @arron_banks

citizenJA wrote: edited to add
I hadn't meant that in an antagonistic way and it reads like I've done so
It's not my intention
There's all kinds of consolidating and cutting funding from colleges

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Unbelievable.

One of the amendments whipped against was to give an undertaking only to keep Single Market membership. The sort of thing, the government could say "we'll try" or "we won't try" and the process carry on much as May said. I think it was drafted not to be difficult for the Opposition because it was so weak.

As Steve Peers says, the bill Labour waved through is " the shortest suicide note in history".

Another 100 learners appear to have been left with heavy student loans debt but no qualifications to show for it, after their training provider under investigation by the Skills Funding Agency went bust.

FE Week is demanding justice for them and hundreds of others left in the lurch – through our new #SaveOurAdultEducation campaign which is calling for all students’ advanced learning loan debt to be written off, if they are unable to complete courses after training providers go out of business.

pk1 wrote:

TechnicalEphemera wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I was assuming the plan to blame Blair was going to be the sort of thing they could pull back from if it wasn't coming out right.

Turns out the Shadow Chancellor had committed an article to print, which would come out 3 days after and even derail good news if the seat had been held.

It is a joke isn't it. If there is any serious plan from Corbyn post Copeland to stop the bleeding then sacking that useless fool would be a great place to start and a strong signal to send.

I have no idea what these jokers hope to achieve other than to run and hide in a bunker while Labour gets wiped out in most of the country. Copeland demands a response and a recovery plan, but what we get is some bleating about conspiracy, a refusal to face the music in front of the MPs and some muttering about policy meetings.

Neither Corbyn nor McDonnell went to tonight's PLP meeting, whilst Shadow Home Sec Abbott sat drinking in a room elsewhere in the Commons with Shadow Attorney General, Shami Chakrabarti:

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Nice to see you back, Angry!

TechnicalEphemera wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I was assuming the plan to blame Blair was going to be the sort of thing they could pull back from if it wasn't coming out right.

Turns out the Shadow Chancellor had committed an article to print, which would come out 3 days after and even derail good news if the seat had been held.

It is a joke isn't it. If there is any serious plan from Corbyn post Copeland to stop the bleeding then sacking that useless fool would be a great place to start and a strong signal to send.

I have no idea what these jokers hope to achieve other than to run and hide in a bunker while Labour gets wiped out in most of the country. Copeland demands a response and a recovery plan, but what we get is some bleating about conspiracy, a refusal to face the music in front of the MPs and some muttering about policy meetings.

AngryAsWell wrote:Meanwhile in irony overload land,

North East to march against Hard Brexit this weekend

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Tubby Isaacs wrote:Unbelievable.

One of the amendments whipped against was to give an undertaking only to keep Single Market membership. The sort of thing, the government could say "we'll try" or "we won't try" and the process carry on much as May said. I think it was drafted not to be difficult for the Opposition because it was so weak.

As Steve Peers says, the bill Labour waved through is " the shortest suicide note in history".

It would be good to send at least a few amendments back to the Commons, so there's a record of which reasonable provisos the government are unwilling to commit to.

Won't do much good now, but could be handy later on when the shit hits the fan.

RogerOThornhill wrote:And then there's this...

Another 100 students left with FE loans and no courses after demise of provider Edudo

http://feweek.co.uk/2017/02/27/another- ... ider-edudo

Another 100 learners appear to have been left with heavy student loans debt but no qualifications to show for it, after their training provider under investigation by the Skills Funding Agency went bust.

FE Week is demanding justice for them and hundreds of others left in the lurch – through our new #SaveOurAdultEducation campaign which is calling for all students’ advanced learning loan debt to be written off, if they are unable to complete courses after training providers go out of business.

tinyclanger2 wrote:

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Iain Duncan Smith, a Eurosceptic Conservative MP, said: “Theresa understands that if you want to take control you have to command the high ground.

Disturbingly military.

AngryAsWell wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Nice to see you back, Angry!

Thank you, a bit down at the moment but hoping to be on the up soon

SpaceX to send two people around the moon who paid for a 2018 mission

The flight would rely on SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket, the massive engine that the company hopes to test for the first time this summer, and a Dragon 2 capsule Musk said that the capsule had a “quite high” success rate for missions so far.

TechnicalEphemera wrote:Do you feel lucky punk?

SpaceX to send two people around the moon who paid for a 2018 mission

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... -elon-musk

I particularly love this bit of the article.

The flight would rely on SpaceX’s Falcon Heavy rocket, the massive engine that the company hopes to test for the first time this summer, and a Dragon 2 capsule Musk said that the capsule had a “quite high” success rate for missions so far.

Theresa May to end EU citizens’ rights to live in UK days after fear ‘half of Romania and Bulgaria’ will come
Government's plan could be a breach of its EU treaty obligations

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Theresa May reportedly plans to end rights given to EU nationals under freedom of movement rules when she triggers Article 50 next month, with a Government source claiming that otherwise “half of Romania and Bulgaria” might come to the UK before Brexit.