Wednesday 1st March 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 5:50 pm

Hurrah another tickle.It was bloody hard work,but worth the effort.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 5:52 pm

Putting this smartmeter thingy away I panic when it goes to 2p an hour.Chastising various plugged in items,and the kettle is on its last warning.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 5:58 pm

Nasty dig? Hmm. If you say so.

The unification of the entire party when Corbyn is replaced has to be led by the PLP. We, the members, can't go through this again.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 5:59 pm

HindleA wrote:Putting this smartmeter thingy away I panic when it goes to 2p an hour.Chastising various plugged in items,and the kettle is on its last warning.

I shudder to think what my electric car plugged in looks like

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 6:03 pm

StephenDolan wrote:Nasty dig? Hmm. If you say so.

The unification of the entire party when Corbyn is replaced has to be led by the PLP. We, the members, can't go through this again.

I do.

Who gets up in arms about considering Schengen? Who'd stay out of it at absolutely any cost?

Are they the sort of people Jones wants to line up with?

Principled and decent.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 6:44 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:So I can see that my opening post was a waste.

Anyway. Owen Jones made plenty of good points imho in his latest piece at the G. I'm sure plenty will disagree here. I'm hoping (naively) that there'll be a discussion that follows.

'Corbyn is a decent, honourable and principled man. He has to make a decision, and so do his parliamentary opponents. Whatever happens with the leadership, he needs to set out a clear and coherent strategy about how exactly Labour can overcome its existential crisis. Since the byelection rout, he has made it clear he isn’t going anywhere without even offering the vaguest outlines about how to turn it around. That isn’t good enough: again, consider the stakes. Both he and his team have to think hard. If Corbyn decides he is unable to confront the multiple existential crises enveloping Labour, then an agreement should be struck where he can stand down in exchange for the guarantee of an MP from the new generation on the ballot paper who is committed to the policies that inspired Corbyn’s supporters in the first place. It is up to both Corbyn and the parliamentary Labour party. They should both be aware that history is a savage judge.'

Corbyn says he’s staying. That’s not good enough

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ood-enough" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not a waste, I was thinking of a reply, then got distracted .... sorry

(cJA bolds)

Not a waste at all. I had work away from home today. I thought of FlyTheNest and the brief time I was posting this morning.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 6:49 pm

Peers vote by majority of 102 to guarantee rights of EU nationals in UK after Brexit

Peers have voted by 358 votes to 256, a majority of 102, to guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK after Brexit. (Politics Live, Guardian)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 6:49 pm

Good morfternoon.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 7:43 pm

Jaguar Land Rover boss reveals replacement for iconic Defender could have to be built abroad

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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 7:52 pm

Lost Soul wrote:Scottish woman and French husband ( scientist - specialist in renewable energy ) quit UK over Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ver-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do the useless shower who've taken over this country not realise that 'freedom of movement' is progress and is an asset to be made use of.

They can't be as stupid as they seem - surely ?

Probably stupid, yes. Do many people in Tory government get constructively contradicted by those they respect? Tories and the few they serve do all their talking amongst themselves, getting personal and/or business concessions wanted where no one can hear or see them. I realised today Tories don't even need each other, just the façade, the numbers and votes in the House. The well-being of the country doesn't matter to them either, not the whole country. Tories are fine with parts of the country being okay and the rest can go to hell.

A few wealthy have access to wherever they want to go at any time. It's made them unmindful. Someone who can thoughtlessly refer to people as 'stock' can exhibit a similar obliviousness when taking freedom of movement away from people. Tories don't think all people are fundamentally equal and due the same consideration.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 7:55 pm

PorFavor wrote:
Peers vote by majority of 102 to guarantee rights of EU nationals in UK after Brexit

Peers have voted by 358 votes to 256, a majority of 102, to guarantee the rights of EU nationals living in the UK after Brexit. (Politics Live, Guardian)

Thank the Lords.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:00 pm

splitting up families is inhumane - Brexit could end up being thus

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:11 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:splitting up families is inhumane - Brexit could end up being thus

Immigration law changes in 2012 by T May and the Tory government demonstrated they don't care. I'm sorry for this but you need to know that Tory government don't care about most UK citizens. It's an unpleasant thing to write. It was hard acknowledging it's true.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:12 pm

Mr citizen is wearing new jammies and slippers I bargained for today. He's happy. He looks wonderful.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:28 pm

Oliver Letwin (Ch4 News) has just said that it cannot be ruled out that we end up paying more to be out than in.

Post by **refitman** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:36 pm

This is pretty scary. Trump makes the Tories look competent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... source=twb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:36 pm

PorFavor wrote:Oliver Letwin (Ch4 News) has just said that it cannot be ruled out that we end up paying more to be out than in.

I know who'll pay for it

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:39 pm

Gisela Stuart didn't look too comfortable when pressed on this point, did she?

"You didn't put that on the bus, did you?" said Gary Gibbon.

Indeed.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:40 pm

refitman wrote:This is pretty scary. Trump makes the Tories look competent.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... source=twb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tories and Trump are equally competent

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 8:47 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Nasty dig at Owen Smith in that Jones article.

It was delusional to imagine Owen Smith would prove more electable, given his gaffe-ridden commitment to overturning the EU referendum and even refusing to rule out membership of the euro and Schengen.
Overturning the EU referendum is IDS speak. A choice between whatever May comes up with and WTO only terms sounds very bad to me.

Schengen? That probably comes with a "soft Brexit". Is Corbyn implacably opposed to Schengen then? What a lovely guy. Must be great to rally behind him.

The Euro (in theory) comes with rejoining, if we decide we're getting murdered on it. Again, is that Jeremy's position? However badly it turns out, we never rejoin?

Misses the point entirely- Owen Smith suggests a long game on Brexit because he's got "convictions" on it. Jez is playing short term populist.

Again, he is just refusing to accept he got it wrong.

OJ's position ishe was right to back Corbyn in 2015, right to back him in 2016, and right to call for him to go in 2017.

He is a coward, unable to admit error.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 9:43 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ ... ans-canada" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Seven-year-old tenpin bowler stripped of title for wearing jeans

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 9:43 pm

Outrageous
Seven?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 9:46 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ilip-green" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dominic Chappell to fight legal action forcing him to pay BHS pensions
The Pensions Regulator has halted action against Sir Philip Green, after he agreed a £363m settlement

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 9:49 pm

Buying crisps and eating every day.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 9:54 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39122840" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK has 'moral responsibility' to Gibraltar, peers say

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... blication/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:00 pm

I don't watch telly much,there might be something interesting on,or gone to the pub or having sex,or even combining the three.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:24 pm

Belated well done to Lord Low and protesters today re.ESA cuts

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:29 pm

http://dpac.uk.net/2017/03/prime-minist ... -pmqs-pip/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Prime minister Theresa May lies to parliament at PMQs about PIP

Guardian had "tribunal cases which made it easier to claim PIP"

The reverse.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:33 pm

https://www.supremecourt.uk/news/suprem ... tland.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Supreme Court to sit in Scotland

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:42 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:47 pm

citizenJA wrote:Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Night cja, night all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 10:52 pm

Night

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:03 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xes-public" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

McDonnell: Labour would force rich to make their taxes public
The shadow chancellor said the policy would apply to taxpayers who earn at least £1m a year

Personally don't like such things.Of course being just shy of that amount may colour my view.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:07 pm

HindleA wrote:I don't watch telly much,there might be something interesting on,or gone to the pub or having sex,or even combining the three.

People have ended up in court for less.
Night - and do take care, much safer doing the cupboard hanging......

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:11 pm

Night.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:14 pm

Clarification it was a musing as to what others were doing,rather than reflection of what to do.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:34 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xes-public

McDonnell: Labour would force rich to make their taxes public
The shadow chancellor said the policy would apply to taxpayers who earn at least £1m a year

Personally don't like such things.Of course being just shy of that amount may colour my view.

Me neither. Aren't we supposed to trust the Labour government to sort out tax avoidance? Why do they need to rely on this naming and shaming stuff?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:34 pm

HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... xes-public

McDonnell: Labour would force rich to make their taxes public
The shadow chancellor said the policy would apply to taxpayers who earn at least £1m a year

Personally don't like such things.Of course being just shy of that amount may colour my view.

Me neither. Aren't we supposed to trust the Labour government to sort out tax avoidance? Why do they need to rely on this naming and shaming stuff?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Mar, 2017 11:57 pm

Amount lost to tax evasion by cash in hand traders- £8bn a year, per HMRC, 2012.

If we're going to publish tax payments, why are we confining it to millionaires?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 02 Mar, 2017 1:06 am

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