Tuesday, 18th April 2017

[NonOxCol]

The Sun went with "Blue Murder" for its front page.

I understand a Labour MP was actually killed ten months ago. Also, four people were killed near Westminster four weeks ago.

And this is day one.

[Tubby Isaacs]

That is unbelievable that cover. Utterly chilling.

The Tories would be well advised to get on the phone to Dacre.

[howsillyofme1]

Why is pointing the Tory issues is ridiculous when you are continually doing the same with Corbyns views from the 80s are so critical?

Have you any indication the electorate have CND or the IRA at the front of their minds

I would have thought anyone supporting Labour would laugh in the Tory faces at this type of attack....

[HindleA]

@tubby Probably were.

[seeingclearly]

He got Libya right not because he's a foreign affairs genius but because he opposes all Western interventions. Even defending NATO treaty allies attacked by Putin. That's something else they'll have thought without me bringing it up. They'll have been all over Stop the War too.

Frankly, you have to see western interventions up close to realise just how misguided a lot of them are. How often they back the wrong people. And there are many who believe that you cannot bring about peace with foreign aid that is packaged into munitions. Or indeed build a better world when you try to base your economy on selling armaments and promoting neo-colonialism.

I didn't bring up Libya to highlight Corbyn being right, but Cameron and his intervention as being wrong. And the abject failure of our media to hold him and his government to account for it, and indeed to even report its aftermath, which has only emerged slowly, and in all honesty very patchily. But it was very fast to report Gaddaffi's end and still will report on anything to do with his family. But not the real situation there. The things that have destroyed a whole society. And the people who escape are still being escorted brutally out of this country as we report US departations, but barely mention our own. Some of the people you would criticise actually take a stand on this inhumanity. I hope the future will too, and on the hideous government we currently endure.

[howsillyofme1]

How about the Tories threatening Spain....much worse surely?

Again why bring up hypothetical situations to criticise a party you pretend to support?

Have Russia attacked anyone yet?

Erm yes - Georgia and Ukraine. To name a couple.

They in NATO?

The US and UK have also attacked sovereign countries too

I am not defending any of them........all vile but you seem to make a distinction

I despise Putin but US actions not always benign

[Tubby Isaacs]

Why is pointing the Tory issues is ridiculous when you are continually doing the same with Corbyns views from the 80s are so critical?

Have you any indication the electorate have CND or the IRA at the front of their minds

I would have thought anyone supporting Labour would laugh in the Tory faces at this type of attack....

The Tories will put it there easily enough. He's running for PM, and it's him there, with Adams, on the internet, when the IRA tried to kill the Cabinet.

What's the logic? Somebody tries to wipe out the government, and you call them in for a meeting? What sort of policy is that for a PM? It's inviting attacks from everybody.

You'll hear more about London Labour Briefing in the campaign too.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Anyway, bedtime.

Interesting times!

[howsillyofme1]

I consider myself a pretty much ru n of the mill Labour supporter...perhaps to the left but not extreme

Why do I feel myself under attack on a board I thought was Labour supporting?

I find more sympathetic responses on a LD or Tory site I also post on

They may not agree with me but they are far less aggressive as some here

Perplexing?

Is this a left-wing forum....genuine question?

[howsillyofme1]

Why is pointing the Tory issues is ridiculous when you are continually doing the same with Corbyns views from the 80s are so critical?

Have you any indication the electorate have CND or the IRA at the front of their minds

I would have thought anyone supporting Labour would laugh in the Tory faces at this type of attack....

The Tories will put it there easily enough. He's running for PM, and it's him there, with Adams, on the internet, when the IRA tried to kill the Cabinet.

What's the logic? Somebody tries to wipe out the government, and you call them in for a meeting? What sort of policy is that for a PM? It's inviting attacks from everybody.

You'll hear more about London Labour Briefing in the campaign too.

You keep saying it will be at the heart of the Tory campaign

What evidence do you have of that?

Sounds like you want it to happen......

[seeingclearly]

Bloody hell

Corbyn IRA coming up again......i do not doubt he would condemn IRA terrorist acts but also support a united Ireland and criticise the actions of the British Government. Seems also a bit 1980s see in Sinn Fein are in Government

CND.....well criticise someone at the moment when nuclear cock waving seems to be in vogue. Again very 1980s

How about May and her over racism in the lat few years as Home Secretary?

Tubby, I know you hate Corbyn but you just seem to be scraping around for how the Tories may attack him

The feral Tory wankers have been instrumental in destroying the fabric of UK society....how about a bit of focus on that rather than looking back 35 years at what Corbyn said or did....

How about also looking at what May and her pals said back in the 80s when the Tories were destroying public services....I went to school then and I have hated them ever since

I really question the motivation of some people hete

Just pointing out the obvious attack lines the Tory press will use. We have 8 weeks of this stuff from them and it will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

Q1. Jeremy Corbyn - What is Labour's position on the UKs independent nuclear deterrent.

Answer: Ermmm.

That is two weeks of media lead story for them right there.

Then of course they will dig out all his pro IRA and anti NATO stuff and represent that as Labour policy. Plus his Falklands stuff, and expect endless questions on will he authorise shoot to kill policies against increasingly ridiculous invented terrorist threats. I imagine McDonnell will face lots of similar questions.

For whatever reason normal voters do not necessarily see the Tory Party as evil, or even something to be voted against right now.

We don't have and won't have an independent nuclear deterrent. Anyone asking this question is wilfully misleading people.

"For whatever reason......" If there was balanced debate then the government would be held to account and for the recent past, i.e. the last seven years of misrule, not someone for events during back bench days.

We had hope of Levison once upon a time.

[seeingclearly]

Why is pointing the Tory issues is ridiculous when you are continually doing the same with Corbyns views from the 80s are so critical?

Have you any indication the electorate have CND or the IRA at the front of their minds

I would have thought anyone supporting Labour would laugh in the Tory faces at this type of attack....

The Tories will put it there easily enough. He's running for PM, and it's him there, with Adams, on the internet, when the IRA tried to kill the Cabinet.

What's the logic? Somebody tries to wipe out the government, and you call them in for a meeting? What sort of policy is that for a PM? It's inviting attacks from everybody.

You'll hear more about London Labour Briefing in the campaign too.

That was over thirty years ago, half the electorate weren't even born then. It has no bearing at all on what he would do now. He has very promptly condemned recent atrocities.

[howsillyofme1]

Oh and what the fuck is the nuclear deterrent even doing being discussed when the Tories are destroying the things that actually matter

The issue is the 'independent nuclear deterrent' is even being discussed!

I would give it up tomorrow for a properly funded NHS.....and some money spent on radicalisation avoidance

[RogerOThornhill]

That DM front page looks like it could have come from Starship Troopers...

[howsillyofme1]

Why is pointing the Tory issues is ridiculous when you are continually doing the same with Corbyns views from the 80s are so critical?

Have you any indication the electorate have CND or the IRA at the front of their minds

I would have thought anyone supporting Labour would laugh in the Tory faces at this type of attack....

The Tories will put it there easily enough. He's running for PM, and it's him there, with Adams, on the internet, when the IRA tried to kill the Cabinet.

What's the logic? Somebody tries to wipe out the government, and you call them in for a meeting? What sort of policy is that for a PM? It's inviting attacks from everybody.

You'll hear more about London Labour Briefing in the campaign too.

That was over thirty years ago, half the electorate weren't even born then. It has no bearing at all on what he would do now. He has very promptly condemned recent atrocities.

Not in Tubby world

Everyone is still talking about the IRA and nuclear weapons

We seem to have gone back to the 80s, unless it pertains to Tory support of apartheid and the man who organised the murder of 9/11 when it becomes irrelevant

[HindleA]

I can only speak for myself.I suppose it depends on topic,realised for sometime a somewhat fruitless battle in the cost saving investment versus where is the money coming from thing when for example 700 millon has been spunked needlessly in "reform"-not to say hundreds in taxi fares rather than far less replacement by contingency,fuck you if you don't work even if not expected to.I don't view sanity as particularly left wing however and Labour play/have played the same game,but historical Alf Morris admiration -people still benefitting from his legislation by the way and Wilsonian ensurement from that time still resonates with me in rather a deep way,call it tribal loyalty or what you will and I actually recognise Tory coproductive efforts of a time well gone,now we are seriously arguing whether a dialysis room should be extra and whereas there were some Tories,even of a paternalistic mind and not outright bastards now vanishingly small.

[howsillyofme1]

Hindle you are great

If I am banned I will miss you.....took me a while to get your humour but I do appreciate it now

[seeingclearly]

I see that the "country coming together" line didn't last long...

How is this not completely bloody terrifying? And Paul, the Lexiters were told time and time again this would happen: I don't give a flying one for their sensitivities. I despise them.

Adam.
This IS absolutely terrifying. But why do you not seat the problem where it actually lies? Individuals do have a variety of opinion, and individual MPs too, but governments less so. They are in control of policy, and this government has shown over and again its distain for the opinions of all who do not affect its own ratings, any u-turns have been entirely self protective. While I understand your feelings we cannot dispense with freedom of speech and thought, but we are being sytematically conditioned not to hold our governments to account. That is where the real terror is. But very little discussion of that here, despite consistent reminder of how it manifests in ordinary lives. But thank you for feeling it. None of this is hypothetical bullshit, it is happening all around us.

[HindleA]

Mentioning Wolves should have a been a yellow card in itself.

[howsillyofme1]

Mentioning Wolves should have a been a yellow card in itself.

Ahhh true...'tis a burden upon me sir

[seeingclearly]

Dream well, my donnies have protested too much.

[HindleA]

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Well aware what happened afterwards,I am still in counselling..

[HindleA]

The word “sabotage” does have something to do with wooden shoes, and it did grow out of the labor movement in the late 19th century.

But it didn’t originate in the practice of workers tossing their sabots into machinery to botch up the works. In fact, there’s no evidence that any sabots were ever tossed into any machinery.

In his book Syndicalism, Industrial Unionism and Socialism (1913), the socialist and labor reformer John Spargo says the French word sabotage was coined in the 1890s by the anarchist Émile Pouget.

It first appeared in writing, Spargo says, in a report that Pouget and his fellow anarchist, Paul Delassale, wrote to an 1897 congress of the Confédération Générale du Travail in Toulouse.

In their report, the two anarchists recommended that French labor unions adopt a policy of work slowdowns and inefficiencies that had been used successfully by British trade unionists.

This policy was popularly known in Britain as Ca’ Canny, a Scottish colloquialism that Spargo translates as “go slow” or “be careful not to do too much.”

In searching for a French equivalent for the expression, Pouget came up with the noun sabotage, Spargo writes.

It wars based on the French verb saboter, which originally meant to make loud clattering noises with shoes.

“In France, especially in the rural districts,” Spargo says in explaining the appropriateness of the term, “it has long been the custom to liken the slow and clumsy worker to one wearing wooden shoes, called ‘sabots.’ ”

He adds that the “phrase, Travailler a coups de sabots, to work as one wearing wooden shoes, has long been used with reference to the slow and clumsy worker.”

“The idea is obvious: the peasant with heavy wooden shoes walks clumsily and slowly in company with those who wear shoes of leather,” he writes. “So the word ‘sabotage’—literally ‘wooden shoeage’—was coined … as a good translation of the British term Ca’ Canny.”

[HindleA]

"Responding to Labour’s announcement, a Conservative party spokesman said: “Carers make a huge contribution to society, so it’s only right that we do everything we can to support the selfless work they do. That’s why we already increased the rate of carer’s allowance, meaning an additional £450 a year for carers since 2010.”

"This is disingenous hypocritical shite from the Government.A real terms cut after changing the upratiing method to save money.The original inclusion of CA in the benefit cap only changing after spending many millions in their failed attempt to keep that the case after found to be illegal;and the disgraceful targeting of carers in the bedroom tax,show their real intentions.And it doesn't end there,from next April the removal of any housing support for homeowners replaced at best by interest bearing loan removeable on any earnings whatsoever,particularly impacting carers as the Government is fully aware as it as to the risks it is prepared to take."As a first step in an act of reciprocal fairness,dip their genitals in a vat of boiling fat,throw faeces in their faces and play I should be so lucky by Kylie Minoque on an endless loop,call it banal Christianity."

[HindleA]

My political career was short lived but I was honest.

[HindleA]

I couldn't call an obvious twat "Right Honourable".I don't know how they do it,to be honest.

[HindleA]

Could compromise RH bawbag etc.

[seeingclearly]

You don't think that looks evasive, the way he answers? There's literally no point in him answering like that in case he's worried about offending some old Republicans.

Sometimes Tubby your posts invoke an almost irresistable urge to be extremely rude, but I shan't give you the pleasure. Can you explain the kind of terrorism you think he should not criticise? Do you not criticise all terrorism? And why does it make him look evasive? Is that in the same kind of vein as all those who once could not see him bow, when he clearly did, and then when it was pointed out said he did not bow low enough!

And why does all this so remind me of the constant sniping at Ed Miliband? And in fact the ongoing never ending resurrection of Gordon Brown as a scapegoat and distraction par excellence for every vile event visited on us by the tories.

[seeingclearly]

"Responding to Labour’s announcement, a Conservative party spokesman said: “Carers make a huge contribution to society, so it’s only right that we do everything we can to support the selfless work they do. That’s why we already increased the rate of carer’s allowance, meaning an additional £450 a year for carers since 2010.”

"This is disingenous hypocritical shite from the Government.A real terms cut after changing the upratiing method to save money.The original inclusion of CA in the benefit cap only changing after spending many millions in their failed attempt to keep that the case after found to be illegal;and the disgraceful targeting of carers in the bedroom tax,show their real intentions.And it doesn't end there,from next April the removal of any housing support for homeowners replaced at best by interest bearing loan removeable on any earnings whatsoever,particularly impacting carers as the Government is fully aware as it as to the risks it is prepared to take."As a first step in an act of reciprocal fairness,dip their genitals in a vat of boiling fat,throw faeces in their faces and play I should be so lucky by Kylie Minoque on an endless loop,call it banal Christianity."

Currently harbouring one of these recalcitrant carers at zero cost to the government, and about to be charged for the privilege. My pocket considerably lighter and said carers pocket jangling with emptiness....