Thursday 20th April 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 6:34 pm

"As far as UC goes,there's nobody left"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 6:36 pm

But it'll be on time and on budget.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 6:45 pm

Evening all.

Busy with school stuff today - out at 7am and back in after 6pm.

Missed much?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 6:57 pm

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BREAKING Nigel Farage says he 'will not stand in this election' - and admits Tories are on course for a landslide

Didn't care for another humiliating defeat then?

No reason for him to be on now - not party leader, irrelevance as MEP, and not PPC.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 6:58 pm

PorFavor wrote:
EU will welcome Britain back if election voters veto Brexit
Exclusive: European parliament president Antonio Tajani said EU departure process could easily be reversed if there is change of UK government
The president of the European parliament has said Britain would be welcomed back with open arms if voters change their minds about Brexit on 8 June, challenging Theresa May’s claim that “there is no turning back” after article 50.
Speaking after a meeting with the prime minister in Downing Street, Antonio Tajani insisted that her triggering of the departure process last month could be reversed easily by the remaining EU members if there was a change of UK government after the general election and would not even require a court case. (Guardian)
I suppose that will galvanise all the pro-"Brexit" people to go out and vote for the Conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eto-brexit

All two dozen of them?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 7:16 pm

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BREAKING Nigel Farage says he 'will not stand in this election' - and admits Tories are on course for a landslide
Didn't care for another humiliating defeat then?

He should be used to it by now, tbf

I admit that I genuinely thought he would win Thanet S last time, and said so - and so did he if you believe reliable accounts.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 7:29 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
Labour have now ruled out a second Brexit referendum. A spokesman for Jeremy Corbyn said:

A second referendum is not our policy and it won’t be in our manifesto.

Earlier, after Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell refused to rule the idea out (see 11.40am), the party issued a statement that played down the prospect of a second Brexit referendum under Labour, without ruling it out entirely. (See 12.11pm.)

This is what happens during election campaign. The decision process gets compressed. Under scrutiny from the media, parties get forced to clarify things, with the result that sometimes issues get resolved in hours that had previously been fudged for weeks, months or even years.
After trying to feel more positive about Corbyn, this sets me back a bit. I'm not unhappy with Labour not proposing a second referendum, it's not the most attractive policy, but by ruling out supporting one, they take a lot of pressure off May regardless of how many seats they manage to hang on to.
Have they ruled out supporting one though?
If their manifesto doesn't explicitly rule out having one, then wouldn't that leave it open that they could still support a referendum at some point.

Then why change from the position of not ruling out a second referendum, to a clear position of ruling one out?

When pressed, Corbyn and McDonnell always seem to veer to the "out" side instinctively and keep coming close to proposing a hard Brexit of their own, in preference to anything that could be viewed as a "soft" Brexit. It makes it much, much harder for me to support Labour on other things when I'm reminded of how very far the leadership is from my views on the EU and Brexit. I want Labour to be Brexit saboteurs, for frig's sake. The more the Tories accuse Labour of being against their plans, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 7:30 pm

Quite a good list of where people need to vote tactically if they want to get the tories out.

http://e.infogr.am/stop_the_tories-0?src=embed" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 7:46 pm

http://www.welfareweekly.com/ruth-david ... e-victims/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ruth Davidson under attack over child tax credit form for rape victims

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 8:00 pm

https://wearecitizensadvice.org.uk/why- ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why all parties should care about Universal Credit during this election

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 8:00 pm

Theresa May is not just breaking her promises – she is breaking our politics
- Clive Lewis

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... e-election" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good article from Lewis

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 8:10 pm

How many MPs abstained from the T May's Let's Have A GE now. What was their party affiliation? Who voted against it and what affiliation? Serious question. Forgive me for not having the information to hand at the moment, I've been working on something today and am exhausted. I ask this because abstentions and votes against don't support the idea everyone capitulated and 'supported' T May at all.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 8:15 pm

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2 ... Type=Names" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 8:59 pm

Policeman killed in Paris shooting

One policeman has been killed and a second wounded in a shooting in central Paris, police say.

Some reports say a gunman who fired on them has been shot dead. The Champs Elysees, where the shooting occurred, has been sealed off.

France goes to the polls on Sunday in the first round of the presidential election.

Jihadism is a major issue in the vote after attacks claimed by so-called Islamic State.
Related (BBC News website)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39662315

Edited to add -

Police are saying (according to TV news) that it's possible that it could have been in connection with an armed robbery.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:05 pm

HindleA wrote:https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2 ... Type=Names

Aye Votes
Tory = 325
Democratic Unionist = 8
Greens = 1
Independent = 1
Labour = 174
Lib Dems = 8
Plaid Cymru = 3
Ulster Unionist = 2

This was a simple majority vote, wasn't it?
If so, Tory government would have passed it regardless of how Labour voted

https://goo.gl/jCZd8k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:09 pm

citizenJA wrote:
HindleA wrote:https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2 ... Type=Names
Aye Votes
Tory = 325
Democratic Unionist = 8
Greens = 1
Independent = 1
Labour = 174
Lib Dems = 8
Plaid Cymru = 3
Ulster Unionist = 2

This was a simple majority vote, wasn't it?
If so, Tory government would have passed it regardless of how Labour voted

https://goo.gl/jCZd8k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A two thirds job, I believe, rather than a simple majority. Just like the re . . .

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:23 pm

citizenJA wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:So did anyone catch the speech?
I've just finished reading it
Outstanding

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1597850 ... 17-general" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes, it was.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:28 pm

My Attorney may:-

"Make decisions regarding my dress,diet and personal appearance"

FFS,I have enough trouble with myself.Has meltdown with thought of responsibility.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:31 pm

I want Labour to be Brexit saboteurs, for frig's sake. The more the Tories accuse Labour of being against their plans, the better, as far as I'm concerned.

First things first.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:33 pm

Only precautionary clarification,hopefully no need.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:42 pm

Temulkar wrote:I think May could be in for a serious shock. She's banking on an increased majority, but the lib dems are going to win seats back, it was their collapse that gave the tories the majority in 2015. Labour cant really lose any more in Scotland, and I cant see the Tories improving in wales, likely to fall back at least in Gower and probably Brecon. FPTP might just scupper her plans. Corbyn looks energised - he clearly loves campaigning - and Labour have a massive ground game. Broadcast media will struggle with impartiality but it will be a better hearing than Labour have had in two years. Social media will have a bigger impact this time around, although not decisive yet. Throw in Tory election expenses, May's inability to blag like the pig-fucker, and the general mood of anger in the country and this whole General Election could badly backfire.

What happens if her majority is about the same, or even reduced or hung? A second brexit referendum would be the condition the libs demand, and she cant deliver that with her crazy wing. Labour would, I assume, happily agree.

Going before the boundary changes, regardless of the polls, is absolute madness. She must be desperate, and that means something big is coming.

And just after this months changes. By June 8th people will feel the pinch. I will within a fortnight, rent for room for live in carer who doesn't have or claim a bean, but saves the state a fortune by looking after me full time.

And fuel just jumped too.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:45 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
EU will welcome Britain back if election voters veto Brexit
Exclusive: European parliament president Antonio Tajani said EU departure process could easily be reversed if there is change of UK government
The president of the European parliament has said Britain would be welcomed back with open arms if voters change their minds about Brexit on 8 June, challenging Theresa May’s claim that “there is no turning back” after article 50.
Speaking after a meeting with the prime minister in Downing Street, Antonio Tajani insisted that her triggering of the departure process last month could be reversed easily by the remaining EU members if there was a change of UK government after the general election and would not even require a court case. (Guardian)
I suppose that will galvanise all the pro-"Brexit" people to go out and vote for the Conservatives.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eto-brexit
All two dozen of them?

Are they wearing clogs too?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:50 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-alliance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Surrey Labour could defy national party over progressive alliance
Local party to vote on a motion to stand down a Labour candidate and swing behind a single progressive candidate

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:51 pm

@seeingclearly

Thanks for firmly planting the "Windmill in Old Amsterdam" song in my head. I successfully headed it off when clogs were last mentioned. But you had to push it, didn't you?

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:51 pm

Forgive me for late entry and spate of inanely tardy posts, my day has been distracted by the incredibly important task of whittling down 55 pigments to 8. Infinitely harder than the political choice ahead, transparent or opaque, fugitive or permanent, but anyway the best quality for the least cost.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:53 pm

Ha! I have some earworm from Leonard Cohen, I think, something about Berlin?

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:55 pm

Theres a continental theme there, don't ya think?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:55 pm

[youtube]2fg7w49UnGA[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:56 pm

seeingclearly wrote:Ha! I have some earworm from Leonard Cohen, I think, something about Berlin?

"First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin". That one?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 9:58 pm

[youtube]JTTC_fD598A[/youtube]

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:03 pm

@HindleA

Thanks!

I listened to both but, unfortunately, Ron is winning out over Len in terms of brain lodging.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:07 pm

[youtube]R4NDLJow1ZE[/youtube]

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:09 pm

Not just an ear worm, I am a visual thinker. Blame Hindle, it's his bloody pigeon.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:12 pm

HindleA wrote:[youtube]R4NDLJow1ZE[/youtube]

That just might have done the trick.

(I'm a big Benny Hill fan, too. He was a comedy genius ahead of his time - although I gather it's not the done thing to say so.)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:12 pm

[youtube]dexQhvczVeM[/youtube]

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:17 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:[youtube]R4NDLJow1ZE[/youtube]
That just might have done the trick.

(I'm a big Benny Hill fan, too. He was a comedy genius ahead of his time - although I gather it's not the done thing to say so.)

There is no doubt that Benny Hill was a comedy genius well ahead of his time. He even wrote a poem about IDS and UC.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:17 pm

HindleA wrote:[youtube]dexQhvczVeM[/youtube]

I fucking loved Penelope Pitstop and the whacky racers - up there with Touche Turtle and Hardy Haha.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:19 pm

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:20 pm

Temulkar wrote:
HindleA wrote:[youtube]dexQhvczVeM[/youtube]
I fucking loved Penelope Pitstop and the whacky racers - up there with Touche Turtle and Hardy Haha.

The Ant Hill Mob.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:21 pm

That or mouldy old dough

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:22 pm

Roobarb and custard

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:25 pm

@HindleA

Thanks for keeping the spectre of Marine Le Pen at bay for me!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:31 pm

Goodnight, everyone
love,
cJA

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:37 pm

Time to take off my clogs.

Night night.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:39 pm

Good night

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 10:49 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ther#img-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour focuses on pupils 'crammed into classrooms like sardines'

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 20 Apr, 2017 11:26 pm

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PM keeps net migration goal to dismay of business groups and economists http://dlvr.it/NxQlrt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Might be worth Labour pointing out that as Home Secretary she failed to achieve this before but still kept the target (albeit maybe under pressure)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Apr, 2017 12:03 am

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/t ... x-10265909" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory plans nicknamed the 'death tax' are being quietly dropped before the election

There now isn't enough time left to sign off plans that would charge wealthy people's relatives up to £20,000 in probate

Homelessness Reduction Bill may be at risk.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 21 Apr, 2017 12:04 am

Blacon (West Cheshire & Chester) result:

LAB: 59.1% (+1.6)
CON: 21.8% (+4.0)
IND: 16.5% (+16.5)
LDEM: 2.7% (+2.7)

No Grn and UKIP as prev.